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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:22 pm
Post subject: Schoeps ORTF setup for on location
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:57 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:52 pm
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On Mar 25, 8:58 pm, GT Weddig <gwed... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for this, I have been rolling my own ORTF in a zeppelin for
> years, though mine uses the MK21 sub-cardioid.
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> http://gregweddig.net/images/ortf-front-bare.jpg
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> --greg weddig
> Baltimore, MDhttp://gregweddig.net
Nothing wrong with rolling your own ORTF rig. A reliable source
explained to me that the ORTF was built so that even a producer (not
an audio pro) could plop down a single microphone rig at a broadcast
event and get a decent stereo image. (sorry Steve).
That said, it could be that if an audio pro has two separate mics, an
XY arrangement with one on top of the other may be a better choice,
particularly for the mono listening crowd.
Glen Trew >> Stay informed about: Schoeps ORTF setup for on location |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:58 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:58 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:02 am
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I was under the impression that MS has tremendous advantages for production
sound. Is this no longer the concensus?
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras.TakeThisOut@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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> Would be great if they made something similar for the MK series of
> capsules with a two channel CMC amp.
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>> --greg weddig
>> Baltimore, MD
>> http://gregweddig.net
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>> Charles Tomaras wrote:
>>> "Matt" <stuffandzeugs.TakeThisOut@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>> news:e63dbbe5-6118-4c25-ba4c-25dfa1c9da65@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Schoeps has announced an ORTF setup with two MK41 capsules in a Rycote
>>>> zep:
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>>>> http://schoeps.de/D-2004/news.html
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>>> Here's the English web site:
>>> http://schoeps.de/E-2004/news.html
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:02 am
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"Soundhaspriority" <nowhere.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>I was under the impression that MS has tremendous advantages for production
>sound. Is this no longer the concensus?
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> Bob Morein
> (310) 237-6511
Wasn't even thinking about dialog. I do some classical recording a few times
a year for a local youth orchestra.
> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras.RemoveThis@tomaras.com> wrote in message
> news:8aiGj.44332$0M3.34115@newsfe17.lga...
>> Would be great if they made something similar for the MK series of
>> capsules with a two channel CMC amp.
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>>> --greg weddig
>>> Baltimore, MD
>>> http://gregweddig.net
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>>> Charles Tomaras wrote:
>>>> "Matt" <stuffandzeugs.RemoveThis@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>>>> news:e63dbbe5-6118-4c25-ba4c-25dfa1c9da65@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Schoeps has announced an ORTF setup with two MK41 capsules in a Rycote
>>>>> zep:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://schoeps.de/D-2004/news.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the English web site:
>>>> http://schoeps.de/E-2004/news.html
>>>>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:28 am
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Granted, M-S and XY are much more mono-friendly than ORTF, but neither
delivers the time domain spacial cues of ORTF. Given the choice of
placing an X/Y, M-S or ORTF recorded sound effect or presence track
into the mix, the ORTF recording will be the one that is more likely
to be used -- it's the one that sounds more like stereo. Mono
compatible? At mix levels, the ORTF presence track is unlikely to
cause any noticeable phase problems--it will have fewer phase anomalies
than the average music track, and it will sound like something other
than mono when pulled in around the dialog. Many decisions are made
in the field in the heat of the moment while listening to headphones,
are perhaps better made by the cool light of an LCD display in post,
listening to the mix over proper monitoring. My 2 cents. >> Stay informed about: Schoeps ORTF setup for on location |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:31 am
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Granted, M-S and XY are much more mono-friendly than ORTF, but neither
delivers the time domain spacial cues of ORTF. Given the choice of
placing an X/Y, M-S or ORTF recorded sound effect or presence track
into the mix, the ORTF recording will be the one I am more likely
to used -- it's the one that sounds more spatial. Mono
compatible? At mix levels, the ORTF presence track is unlikely to
cause any noticeable phase problems--it will have fewer phase
anomalies
than the average music track, and it will sound like something other
than mono when pulled in around the dialog. Many decisions that are
made
in the field in the heat of the moment while listening to headphones,
are perhaps better made by the cool light of an LCD display in post,
listening to the mix over proper monitoring. My 2 cents.
Don Barto, Sr. >> Stay informed about: Schoeps ORTF setup for on location |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:38 am
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Granted, M-S and XY are much more mono-friendly than ORTF, but neither
delivers the time domain spacial cues of ORTF. Given the choice of
placing an X-Y, M-S or ORTF recorded sound effect or presence track
into the mix, the ORTF recording will be the one I personally am more
likely
to use in most instances -- it's the one that sounds more spatial when
lsitened
to at mix level. Mono compatible? At mix levels, the ORTF presence
track is unlikely to
cause any noticeable phase problems--it will have fewer phase
anomalies than the typical stereo music track, and it will sound like
something other
than mono when pulled in around the monaural dialog mix.
Many decisions that are made in the field in the heat of the moment
while listening
to headphones, are perhaps better made in the cool glow of an LCD
display in post,
listening to the mix over proper monitoring. My 2 cents.
Don Barto, Sr. >> Stay informed about: Schoeps ORTF setup for on location |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:46 am
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Granted, M-S and XY are much more mono-friendly than ORTF, but neither
delivers the time domain spacial cues of ORTF. Given the choice of
placing an X-Y, M-S or ORTF recorded sound effect or presence track
into the mix, the ORTF recording will be the one I personally am more
likely to use in most instances -- it's the one that sounds more
spatial when listened to at mix level. Mono compatible? At mix
levels, the ORTF presence track is unlikely to cause any noticeable
phase problems--it will have fewer phase anomalies than the typical
stereo music track, and it will sound like something other than mono
when pulled in around the monaural dialog mix.
Many decisions that are made in the field in the heat of the moment
while listening to headphones, are perhaps better made in the cool
glow of an LCD display in post, listening to the mix over proper
monitoring. My 2 cents.
Don Barto, Sr. >> Stay informed about: Schoeps ORTF setup for on location |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:00 am
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On Mar 26, 2:46 am, soundriven <soundri....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Granted, M-S and XY are much more mono-friendly than ORTF, but neither
> delivers the time domain spacial cues of ORTF. Given the choice of
> placing an X-Y, M-S or ORTF recorded sound effect or presence track
> into the mix, the ORTF recording will be the one I personally am more
> likely to use in most instances -- it's the one that sounds more
> spatial when listened to at mix level. Mono compatible? At mix
> levels, the ORTF presence track is unlikely to cause any noticeable
> phase problems--it will have fewer phase anomalies than the typical
> stereo music track, and it will sound like something other than mono
> when pulled in around the monaural dialog mix.
Agreed. Thanks for the insight.
> Many decisions that are made in the field in the heat of the moment
> while listening to headphones, are perhaps better made in the cool
> glow of an LCD display in post, listening to the mix over proper
> monitoring. My 2 cents.
>
> Don Barto, Sr.
Also agreed, particularly with regards to using headphones to
determine stereo imaging. But when decisions are made in the field as
some must be, they are not necessarily made in the heat of the moment
based on headpones.
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