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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:01 am
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We actually had a good little thread going on Langdon before it
degenerated into name-calling, so here's a crack at reviving it. In
his interview with Theodore Drieser in the August 1928 issue of
Photoplay (Heart Trouble was just about to go into release when this
issue hit the stands), Mack Sennett holds forth on the art of Fairbanks
and Chaplin, concluding, "Then Harry Langdon, who I consider the
greatest of them all."

"Greater than Chaplin?", I interpolated.

"Yes, greater than Chaplin," he replied. "Well, Langdon suggests a kind
of baby weakness that causes everybody to feel sorry for him and want
to help him out. He's terribly funny to me. On the other hand,
Langdon knows less about stories and motion picture technique than
perhaps any other screen star. If he isn't a big success on the
screen, it will not be because he isn't funny, but because he doesn't
understand the many sides to picture production. He wants to do a
monologue all the time; he wants to be the leading lady, the cameraman,
heavy and director all in one. So far in my experience that attitude
has never proved successful."

Later, Sennett goes on at great length about Chaplin's demanding work
habits during his Keystone days and concludes, "Chaplin's one fellow
who has to work alone, and alone he works."

"And," he went on, "Harry Langdon is another of the same sort. He
came to me four or five years ago and I picked him for a sure thing.
About the same case as Chaplin - same temperament - only I think him
the greater artist."

"Why?"

"A wider range of emotions and so a wider appeal...And in Langdon the
same restless energy and criticism of everything. Why, nothing was
ever right, because, like Chaplin, he had his own ideas, exactly, of
how everything should be done. And he didn't want to be interfered
with, although, of course, he was there under contract and had to take
direction from others."

Me again. Wow! Talk about back-handed compliments or giving someone
the kiss of death. Everything that Sennett says about Langdon could
just as easily be applied to Chaplin. Both were strong, take-charge
personalities who knew exactly what they wanted and chafed under
others' direction. But Chaplin's aggressive temperament fit his
character much better than Langdon's. Somehow the idea of this
infantilized elf barking out commands rubbed people the wrong way.

There is also the over-saturation theory. The arc of Langdon's
starring career played out over four years, but Langdon, thanks in part
to Sennett, was constantly on-screen for the 26 months lasting from
Nov. 29, 1925 to Feb. 12, 1928: one 2-reeler, three 3-reelers, and six
features! No other starring comedian in features, major or minor, came
close to that output. Laurel & Hardy may have generated more reels in
a similar time-frame, but these were all shorts, where occasional
misses were quickly forgiven and forgotten. Features commanded more
attention and critical scrutiny. By the time of Heart Trouble, and
Sennett's interview, moviegoers may have gotten just sick and tired of
Harry Langdon.

Rob Farr
www.slapsticon.org
July 19-22, 2007

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:49 am
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robfarr53 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:

> There is also the over-saturation theory. The arc of Langdon's
> starring career played out over four years, but Langdon, thanks in part
> to Sennett, was constantly on-screen for the 26 months lasting from
> Nov. 29, 1925 to Feb. 12, 1928: one 2-reeler, three 3-reelers, and six
> features! No other starring comedian in features, major or minor, came
> close to that output. Laurel & Hardy may have generated more reels in
> a similar time-frame, but these were all shorts, where occasional
> misses were quickly forgiven and forgotten. Features commanded more
> attention and critical scrutiny. By the time of Heart Trouble, and
> Sennett's interview, moviegoers may have gotten just sick and tired of
> Harry Langdon.

The over-saturation theory helps explain Langdon's troubles at the
box office in 1927-1928. His new, self-produced features had to compete
at the box office with films he'd made earlier at Sennett, but which
had been held back from release: HIS FIRST FLAME, FIDDLESTICKS, SOLDIER
MAN, etc.

Put yourself in the place of the typical neighborhood theater
manager. Would you rather pay First National a hefty rental for a new
Langdon feature, or just pay Pathe forty or fifty bucks for a Langdon
two-reeler? Either way you'll draw the Langdon fans, but by taking the
short you'll save a lot of money. Meanwhile, First National's not
making as much on the features as it expected, it doesn't renew its
contract with Langdon's production company, and film buffs spend the
next eighty years talking about what a failure Harry Langdon turned out
to be.



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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:57 pm
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<snip>
> There is also the over-saturation theory. The arc of Langdon's
> starring career played out over four years, but Langdon, thanks in part
> to Sennett, was constantly on-screen for the 26 months lasting from
> Nov. 29, 1925 to Feb. 12, 1928: one 2-reeler, three 3-reelers, and six
> features! No other starring comedian in features, major or minor, came
> close to that output. Laurel & Hardy may have generated more reels in
> a similar time-frame, but these were all shorts, where occasional
> misses were quickly forgiven and forgotten. Features commanded more
> attention and critical scrutiny. By the time of Heart Trouble, and
> Sennett's interview, moviegoers may have gotten just sick and tired of
> Harry Langdon.
>
> Rob Farr
> www.slapsticon.org
> July 19-22, 2007
>
Thanks for posting this.

It's probably on the basis of his success in feature films that he's given
as much praise as he is by Agee, Kerr, etc. (THE STRONG MAN is a
particularly brilliant comedy). And when you think about it, it is pretty
impressive that someone who had only entered films in 1924 could rise to the
ranks of the "big three" who totally dominated the feature film comedy
market, and not only rival them but actually be compared favorably to the
most artistically successful of the three. I can see where Langdon must have
been on top of the world during this period, but it also becomes an issue of
strength vs. endurance-he rose to that level of brilliance but failed to
sustain it over the entire decade as the others had.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:41 pm
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robfarr53.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> We actually had a good little thread going on Langdon before it
> degenerated into name-calling, so here's a crack at reviving it. In
> his interview with Theodore Drieser in the August 1928 issue of
> Photoplay (Heart Trouble was just about to go into release when this
> issue hit the stands), Mack Sennett holds forth on the art of Fairbanks
> and Chaplin, concluding, "Then Harry Langdon, who I consider the
> greatest of them all."
>
> "Greater than Chaplin?", I interpolated.
>
> "Yes, greater than Chaplin," he replied. "Well, Langdon suggests a kind
> of baby weakness that causes everybody to feel sorry for him and want
> to help him out. He's terribly funny to me. On the other hand,
> Langdon knows less about stories and motion picture technique than
> perhaps any other screen star. If he isn't a big success on the
> screen, it will not be because he isn't funny, but because he doesn't
> understand the many sides to picture production. He wants to do a
> monologue all the time; he wants to be the leading lady, the cameraman,
> heavy and director all in one. So far in my experience that attitude
> has never proved successful."
>
> Later, Sennett goes on at great length about Chaplin's demanding work
> habits during his Keystone days and concludes, "Chaplin's one fellow
> who has to work alone, and alone he works."
>
> "And," he went on, "Harry Langdon is another of the same sort. He
> came to me four or five years ago and I picked him for a sure thing.
> About the same case as Chaplin - same temperament - only I think him
> the greater artist."
>
> "Why?"
>
> "A wider range of emotions and so a wider appeal...And in Langdon the
> same restless energy and criticism of everything. Why, nothing was
> ever right, because, like Chaplin, he had his own ideas, exactly, of
> how everything should be done. And he didn't want to be interfered
> with, although, of course, he was there under contract and had to take
> direction from others."
>
> Me again. Wow! Talk about back-handed compliments or giving someone
> the kiss of death. Everything that Sennett says about Langdon could
> just as easily be applied to Chaplin.

Thanks for posting this Rob. It's a very interesting perspective from
someone who, as a producer, was responsible for making perceptive
judgments. But I have to take exception to what you say here, that what
Sennett said of Langdon also applied to Chaplin. Do you really think
that it can honestly be said of Chaplin that "On the other hand,
[Chaplin] knows less about stories and motion picture technique than
perhaps any other screen star. If he isn't a big success on the screen,
it will not be because he isn't funny, but because he doesn't
understand the many sides to picture production"?

Don't get me wrong, I'd never argue that Chaplin was a consummate
technician, but to say that he didn't "understand the many sides to
picture production" would, I think, be horribly incorrect. Do you think
it's fair to say that Chaplin didn't know how to run a studio? Or
construct a story for his films? Is it fair to say that Chaplin didn't
know how to find characters (cast) and other methods (or crew) to help
him and his character convey those stories through effective films?

Besides, I think we all know that, in spite of all the auteur myths out
there, the quote "Chaplin's one fellow who has to work alone, and alone
he works" was likely a more accurate description of how Chaplin and
Sennett related than it was about how Chaplin actually worked.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:58 pm
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You're right of course. That part didn't apply to Chaplin. Just
Sennett's contention that they were both royal pains in the ass to
either supervise or work for. No one holds this against Chaplin. But
it was a seemingly damning personality trait in Langdon.

Rob Farr


David Totheroh wrote:
> robfarr53 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> > We actually had a good little thread going on Langdon before it
> > degenerated into name-calling, so here's a crack at reviving it. In
> > his interview with Theodore Drieser in the August 1928 issue of
> > Photoplay (Heart Trouble was just about to go into release when this
> > issue hit the stands), Mack Sennett holds forth on the art of Fairbanks
> > and Chaplin, concluding, "Then Harry Langdon, who I consider the
> > greatest of them all."
> >
> > "Greater than Chaplin?", I interpolated.
> >
> > "Yes, greater than Chaplin," he replied. "Well, Langdon suggests a kind
> > of baby weakness that causes everybody to feel sorry for him and want
> > to help him out. He's terribly funny to me. On the other hand,
> > Langdon knows less about stories and motion picture technique than
> > perhaps any other screen star. If he isn't a big success on the
> > screen, it will not be because he isn't funny, but because he doesn't
> > understand the many sides to picture production. He wants to do a
> > monologue all the time; he wants to be the leading lady, the cameraman,
> > heavy and director all in one. So far in my experience that attitude
> > has never proved successful."
> >
> > Later, Sennett goes on at great length about Chaplin's demanding work
> > habits during his Keystone days and concludes, "Chaplin's one fellow
> > who has to work alone, and alone he works."
> >
> > "And," he went on, "Harry Langdon is another of the same sort. He
> > came to me four or five years ago and I picked him for a sure thing.
> > About the same case as Chaplin - same temperament - only I think him
> > the greater artist."
> >
> > "Why?"
> >
> > "A wider range of emotions and so a wider appeal...And in Langdon the
> > same restless energy and criticism of everything. Why, nothing was
> > ever right, because, like Chaplin, he had his own ideas, exactly, of
> > how everything should be done. And he didn't want to be interfered
> > with, although, of course, he was there under contract and had to take
> > direction from others."
> >
> > Me again. Wow! Talk about back-handed compliments or giving someone
> > the kiss of death. Everything that Sennett says about Langdon could
> > just as easily be applied to Chaplin.
>
> Thanks for posting this Rob. It's a very interesting perspective from
> someone who, as a producer, was responsible for making perceptive
> judgments. But I have to take exception to what you say here, that what
> Sennett said of Langdon also applied to Chaplin. Do you really think
> that it can honestly be said of Chaplin that "On the other hand,
> [Chaplin] knows less about stories and motion picture technique than
> perhaps any other screen star. If he isn't a big success on the screen,
> it will not be because he isn't funny, but because he doesn't
> understand the many sides to picture production"?
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'd never argue that Chaplin was a consummate
> technician, but to say that he didn't "understand the many sides to
> picture production" would, I think, be horribly incorrect. Do you think
> it's fair to say that Chaplin didn't know how to run a studio? Or
> construct a story for his films? Is it fair to say that Chaplin didn't
> know how to find characters (cast) and other methods (or crew) to help
> him and his character convey those stories through effective films?
>
> Besides, I think we all know that, in spite of all the auteur myths out
> there, the quote "Chaplin's one fellow who has to work alone, and alone
> he works" was likely a more accurate description of how Chaplin and
> Sennett related than it was about how Chaplin actually worked.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:23 am
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robfarr53.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> We actually had a good little thread going on Langdon before it
> degenerated into name-calling,

Yes, I know. I didn't care for somebody trying to hush me up at all.

> so here's a crack at reviving it. In
> his interview with Theodore Drieser in the August 1928 issue of
> Photoplay (Heart Trouble was just about to go into release when this
> issue hit the stands), Mack Sennett holds forth on the art of Fairbanks
> and Chaplin, concluding, "Then Harry Langdon, who I consider the
> greatest of them all."
>
> "Greater than Chaplin?", I interpolated.
>
> "Yes, greater than Chaplin," he replied. "Well, Langdon suggests a kind
> of baby weakness that causes everybody to feel sorry for him and want
> to help him out. He's terribly funny to me. On the other hand,
> Langdon knows less about stories and motion picture technique than
> perhaps any other screen star. If he isn't a big success on the
> screen, it will not be because he isn't funny, but because he doesn't
> understand the many sides to picture production. He wants to do a
> monologue all the time; he wants to be the leading lady, the cameraman,
> heavy and director all in one. So far in my experience that attitude
> has never proved successful."

That does seem a very solid observation of what was happening.

> Later, Sennett goes on at great length about Chaplin's demanding work
> habits during his Keystone days and concludes, "Chaplin's one fellow
> who has to work alone, and alone he works."
>
> "And," he went on, "Harry Langdon is another of the same sort. He
> came to me four or five years ago and I picked him for a sure thing.
> About the same case as Chaplin - same temperament - only I think him
> the greater artist."
>
> "Why?"
>
> "A wider range of emotions and so a wider appeal...And in Langdon the
> same restless energy and criticism of everything. Why, nothing was
> ever right, because, like Chaplin, he had his own ideas, exactly, of
> how everything should be done. And he didn't want to be interfered
> with, although, of course, he was there under contract and had to take
> direction from others."
>
> Me again. Wow! Talk about back-handed compliments or giving someone
> the kiss of death. Everything that Sennett says about Langdon could
> just as easily be applied to Chaplin. Both were strong, take-charge
> personalities who knew exactly what they wanted and chafed under
> others' direction. But Chaplin's aggressive temperament fit his
> character much better than Langdon's. Somehow the idea of this
> infantilized elf barking out commands rubbed people the wrong way.

"And he didn't want to be interfered with, although, of course, he was
there under contract and had to take direction from others." That
doesn't sound like a guy who didn't know his comic character. However,
Langdon's skills with direction seems a very different matter. Perhaps
in that sense, Capra was right. However, that doesn't mean Langdon
needed Capra -- he just needed SOMEBODY.

> There is also the over-saturation theory. The arc of Langdon's
> starring career played out over four years, but Langdon, thanks in part
> to Sennett, was constantly on-screen for the 26 months lasting from
> Nov. 29, 1925 to Feb. 12, 1928: one 2-reeler, three 3-reelers, and six
> features!

Seven features actually... eight if one includes "Ella Cinders," and
it's a fairly safe bet that more people saw Harry in that Colleen Moore
picture than any of his own features.

> No other starring comedian in features, major or minor, came
> close to that output. Laurel & Hardy may have generated more reels in
> a similar time-frame, but these were all shorts, where occasional
> misses were quickly forgiven and forgotten. Features commanded more
> attention and critical scrutiny. By the time of Heart Trouble, and
> Sennett's interview, moviegoers may have gotten just sick and tired of
> Harry Langdon.
>
> Rob Farr
> www.slapsticon.org
> July 19-22, 2007

Excellent points.
DBP
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:37 am
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robfarr53.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> You're right of course. That part didn't apply to Chaplin. Just
> Sennett's contention that they were both royal pains in the ass to
> either supervise or work for. No one holds this against Chaplin. But
> it was a seemingly damning personality trait in Langdon.
>
> Rob Farr

There are worse cases of that... look at Larry Semon, or Bill Fields.
But then, Fields knew better than try to direct. Actually, if one
thinks about it Langdon and Semon had an awful lot in common.
:-)

"A wider range of emotions and so a wider appeal..." -- makes one
wonder what Sennett thought of Buster Keaton!

Rob, thanks for posting this. It reads very differently than Sennett's
thoughts in "King of Comedy."

DBP
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:03 am
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David B. Pearson wrote:
> robfarr53 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> > We actually had a good little thread going on Langdon before it
> > degenerated into name-calling,
>
> Yes, I know. I didn't care for somebody trying to hush me up at all.

I wasn't trying to "hush you up" (as if *that's* possible). I was
trying to tell you to take it outside -- or in this case, to
alt.movies.silent, where it would be more appropriate.

You want to do it there, fine. Be my guest.

But I personally would prefer that you not do it here until you have
something new to say on the subject -- and that will happen
approximately three weeks after hell freezes over.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:16 am
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Feuillade.DeleteThis@aol.com wrote:
> David B. Pearson wrote:
> > robfarr53.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > We actually had a good little thread going on Langdon before it
> > > degenerated into name-calling,
> >
> > Yes, I know. I didn't care for somebody trying to hush me up at all.
>
> I wasn't trying to "hush you up" (as if *that's* possible). I was
> trying to tell you to take it outside -- or in this case, to
> alt.movies.silent, where it would be more appropriate.
>
> You want to do it there, fine. Be my guest.
>
> But I personally would prefer that you not do it here until you have
> something new to say on the subject -- and that will happen
> approximately three weeks after hell freezes over.
>
> Tom Moran

Well, the discussion is HERE, and clearly I'm not the only one who
thinks this is an important and interestic topic, so I suggest you go
talk about Borat, or whatever, and let me go about my business like
everyone else.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:16 am
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Feuillade RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:
> David B. Pearson wrote:
> > robfarr53 RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> > > We actually had a good little thread going on Langdon before it
> > > degenerated into name-calling,
> >
> > Yes, I know. I didn't care for somebody trying to hush me up at all.
>
> I wasn't trying to "hush you up" (as if *that's* possible). I was
> trying to tell you to take it outside -- or in this case, to
> alt.movies.silent, where it would be more appropriate.
>
> You want to do it there, fine. Be my guest.
>
> But I personally would prefer that you not do it here until you have
> something new to say on the subject -- and that will happen
> approximately three weeks after hell freezes over.
>
> Tom Moran

Well, the discussion is HERE, and clearly I'm not the only one who
thinks this is an important and interestic topic, so I suggest you go
talk about Borat, or whatever, and let me go about my business like
everyone else.

DBP
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:39 pm
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David B. Pearson wrote:

> Feuillade RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:

<snip>

>> You want to do it there, fine. Be my guest.

>> But I personally would prefer that you not do it here until you have
>> something new to say on the subject -- and that will happen
>> approximately three weeks after hell freezes over.

> Well, the discussion is HERE, [...]

Because you put it HERE.

> [...] and clearly I'm not the only one who thinks this is an important
> and interestic topic, so I suggest you go talk about Borat, or whatever,
> and let me go about my business like everyone else.

By "your own business" do you mean violating the very logical
constructs you've relied on before (i.e. Capra becoming a great
director after working with Langdon is irrelevant in a discussion of
his contribution to Langdon's films, but the fact that he made
propaganda films almost twenty years after working with Langdon somehow
is relevant)?

Tom Moran
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:45 pm
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Feuillade wrote:
> David B. Pearson wrote:
>
> > Feuillade.RemoveThis@aol.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> You want to do it there, fine. Be my guest.
>
> >> But I personally would prefer that you not do it here until you have
> >> something new to say on the subject -- and that will happen
> >> approximately three weeks after hell freezes over.
>
> > Well, the discussion is HERE, [...]
>
> Because you put it HERE.

No, the thread was already here, and for good reason, despite your
efforts otherwise.

(Yawn) It does amaze me that you can accept totally off the wall topics
that have nothing to do with Chaplin, like modern politics, but you
throw a hissy fit over a topic that is actually relevent.

> > [...] and clearly I'm not the only one who thinks this is an important
> > and interestic topic, so I suggest you go talk about Borat, or whatever,
> > and let me go about my business like everyone else.
>
> By "your own business" do you mean violating the very logical
> constructs you've relied on before (i.e. Capra becoming a great
> director after working with Langdon is irrelevant in a discussion of
> his contribution to Langdon's films, but the fact that he made
> propaganda films almost twenty years after working with Langdon somehow
> is relevant)?
>
> Tom Moran

Capra became a great director well after he worked for Langdon.
Capra became a master propagandist BEFORE he started making his pitch
to film people like Agee, Brownlow, Kerr and anyone else willing to
hear it. Indeed, Joseph McBride shows Capra did not take his firing
well in 1927, and it apprears to have stayed with him for 50 years
afterward. One only needs to read Capra's autobiography, and see
Capra's egotistical rage drip off the pages. Let's see, according to
Capra:

1) Langdon was on the level of the "Big Three"

2) Landgon's character was the creation of a writing team -- but really
Capra himself -- and Langdon was just a nobody from the stage who
lucked out.

3) Langdon was a "fathead" who didn't understand the genius of the
character Capra had created, and who's success completely depended on
Capra. Langdon's firing of Capra, and later failure was proof of this.

4) Ergo, Capra -- the guy with the single OUR GANG credit under his
belt -- was REALLY the one on the level of the "Big Three," with
Langdon mearly functioning as his puppet.

To which, I ask, why is any of this nonsense still, if ever,
believable?

The ideas Shush and Rob Farr have put forward seem far more reasonable
to me. I tend to go with the "fad" theory, that Langdon was rushed into
features too quickly, and Langdon's production company blew apart as a
result. Like Langdon, Capra both profited, but was quickly burned by
this process. That seems quite fair. What Capra put forward, clearly is
not.

DBP
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:55 pm
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George,

Please stop with the personal attacks.
If you wish to voice an opinion on the Langdon controversy, please feel
free, but your problems with Tom have no place in this discussion.
(Even though I personally agree with your thoughts.)

DBP

George Shelps wrote:
> Feuillade RemoveThis @aol.com (Feuillade)
> wrote:
>
> >David B. Pearson wrote:
>
> >>Feuillade@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> >>>You want to do it there, fine. Be my guest.
>
> >><But I personally would prefer that you
> >>>not do it here until you have something
> >>>new to say on the subject -- and that
> >>>will happen approximately three weeks
> >>>fter hell freezes over.
>
> >>Well, the discussion is HERE, [...]
>
> >Because you put it HERE.
>
> Since Moran has me killfiled, he apparently has latched onto you as the
> next "target of opportunity" here.
>
> But even Connie Kuriyama agrees
> that a discussion of Langdon is on-topic here.
>
> Tom's antics over on alt.silent just
> got him killfiled by one of the regulars
> of that group. Bashing me is acceptable
> conduct, but bashing other posters
> may have unintended consequences.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:37 am
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Feuillade RemoveThis @aol.com (Feuillade)
wrote:

>David B. Pearson wrote:

>>Feuillade@aol.com wrote:


>>>You want to do it there, fine. Be my guest.

>><But I personally would prefer that you
>>>not do it here until you have something
>>>new to say on the subject -- and that
>>>will happen approximately three weeks
>>>fter hell freezes over.

>>Well, the discussion is HERE, [...]

>Because you put it HERE.

Since Moran has me killfiled, he apparently has latched onto you as the
next "target of opportunity" here.

But even Connie Kuriyama agrees
that a discussion of Langdon is on-topic here.

Tom's antics over on alt.silent just
got him killfiled by one of the regulars
of that group. Bashing me is acceptable
conduct, but bashing other posters
may have unintended consequences.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:45 am
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pearson.DeleteThis@silent-movies.com (David B. Pearson) wrote:

>George,

>Please stop with the personal attacks.

No.

>If you wish to voice an opinion on the
>Langdon controversy, please feel free,
>but your problems with Tom

Tom is a slanderer and a smear-monger
and he should have stayed "retired"
from Usenet,

I will never tolerate his presence here.


> have no place in this discussion.
> (Even though I personally agree with
>your thoughts.)

Very noble of you, but I do not intend
to forget his past slanders.
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