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Walter Traprock

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:05 am
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Yo, I read the book by John Riley, Dmitri Shostakovich, A Life In Film,
and it sure makes me interested in actually seeing these movies, but
the ONLY Soviet Shostakovich I'm aware of that's available is the
soundtrack to the Soviet reissue of Battleship Potemkin. The Fall Of
Berlin soundtrack is cute, and is on the label Marco Polo, but the
description of the film makes watching it seem like it'd be hilarious.

I've seen Chapayev and like it. (with a little music by Popov.)

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Steven de Mena

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:12 am
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"Walter Traprock" wrote in message

> Yo, I read the book by John Riley, Dmitri Shostakovich, A Life In Film,
> and it sure makes me interested in actually seeing these movies, but
> the ONLY Soviet Shostakovich I'm aware of that's available is the
> soundtrack to the Soviet reissue of Battleship Potemkin. The Fall Of
> Berlin soundtrack is cute, and is on the label Marco Polo, but the
> description of the film makes watching it seem like it'd be hilarious.
>
> I've seen Chapayev and like it. (with a little music by Popov.)

Has "The New Babylon" performance by Gennady Rozhdestvensky on an old
Columbia LP from the 1970's ever made it on to CD? I used to play that to
death and even bought the score for it.

He was going to conduct that piece during a guest conducting gig with the LA
Philharmonic in the 70's, but they changed the program at the last minute as
they didn't have enough rehearsal time for it.

Steve

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G. M. Watson

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:21 am
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In article ,
Walter Traprock wrote:


> Yo, I read the book by John Riley, Dmitri Shostakovich, A Life In Film,
> and it sure makes me interested in actually seeing these movies, but
> the ONLY Soviet Shostakovich I'm aware of that's available is the
> soundtrack to the Soviet reissue of Battleship Potemkin. The Fall Of
> Berlin soundtrack is cute, and is on the label Marco Polo, but the
> description of the film makes watching it seem like it'd be hilarious.
>
> I've seen Chapayev and like it. (with a little music by Popov.)

Shostakovich's score for Kozintsev's 1969 film of "King Lear" is widely
considered one of his best (film's pretty damn good too). "Available", you
say? In home format(s), presumably? Well, that's another matter... Saw a
theatrical print just a couple of years ago, tho, so don't give up hope.
GMW
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Steven de Mena

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:23 am
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"Matthew B. Tepper" wrote in message

> "Steven de Mena" appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in
>
>> "Walter Traprock" wrote in message
>>
>>> Yo, I read the book by John Riley, Dmitri Shostakovich, A Life In Film,
>>> and it sure makes me interested in actually seeing these movies, but
>>> the ONLY Soviet Shostakovich I'm aware of that's available is the
>>> soundtrack to the Soviet reissue of Battleship Potemkin. The Fall Of
>>> Berlin soundtrack is cute, and is on the label Marco Polo, but the
>>> description of the film makes watching it seem like it'd be hilarious.
>>>
>>> I've seen Chapayev and like it. (with a little music by Popov.)
>>
>> Has "The New Babylon" performance by Gennady Rozhdestvensky on an old
>> Columbia LP from the 1970's ever made it on to CD? I used to play that
>> to death and even bought the score for it.
>
> Russian Disc RD CD 11 064

THANK YOU. You made my day. Just searched for it and got it for $7.78
(including shipping) on eBay. At Amazon someone had the same CD for THIRTY
DOLLARS.

It's funny, also on eBay, someone has the old Columbia LP for $3.99 (mint
condition) and below it someone else is selling the same LP for $49.95 (I
guess the fact they used the word "rare" in their ad about 20 times makes
their copy more valuable).

Steve
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John_Hauser19

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:16 pm
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G. M. Watson wrote:
> ----------
> In article ,
> Walter Traprock wrote:
>
>
> > Yo, I read the book by John Riley, Dmitri Shostakovich, A Life In Film,
> > and it sure makes me interested in actually seeing these movies, but
> > the ONLY Soviet Shostakovich I'm aware of that's available is the
> > soundtrack to the Soviet reissue of Battleship Potemkin. The Fall Of
> > Berlin soundtrack is cute, and is on the label Marco Polo, but the
> > description of the film makes watching it seem like it'd be hilarious.
> >
> > I've seen Chapayev and like it. (with a little music by Popov.)
>
> Shostakovich's score for Kozintsev's 1969 film of "King Lear" is widely
> considered one of his best (film's pretty damn good too). "Available", you
> say? In home format(s), presumably? Well, that's another matter... Saw a
> theatrical print just a couple of years ago, tho, so don't give up hope.
> GMW
Two other sources for Shostakovich's Fall of Berlin Film Music are:
Jose Serbrier's account with the Belgian Radio Symphony Orchestra and
Chorus (with "Suites" from Michurin and The Golden Mountains) on RCA cd
60226-2-RC. However, my favorite account of the music (and first
listening) was on an ancient Classic Edition lp (catalog number CE-9;
coupled with Khachaturian conducting his film score for The Battle for
Stalingrad) was with Alexander Gauk and the State Radio Orchestra and
Chorus of the U.S.S.R. This probably was available in other
incarnations but the Classic Edition album covers were 20 years ahead
of the famous Westminster travesties that came later. Gauk, at least
for me, has a grittier way with the music than other versions I have
heard but the selections are limited: Introduction; In the Garden; The
Storming of Zeyelov Heights; In a Devastated Hamlet; Finale ( a total
of approximately 22 1/2 mins). Still, for authenticity, the version is
worth seeking out (despite the characteristic early Soviet Sonics:
"hollow" acoustics; distant miking; muddy detail).
J Hauser
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Russ and/or Martha Oppenh

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:05 am
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"Matthew B. Tepper" wrote in message

> And since you mention it, if I were one of the people running eBay, I
could
> raise a heck of a lot of money by putting a surcharge on the use of the
> word "rare" in a listing.
>

.. . . and maybe send out some goons to beat up the dipwads who use L@@K!
;o)

- Russ (not Martha)
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Daniel G. "Govende" McGra

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:59 am
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[I have added sci.lang, where my previous posts concerning "rare" have
gone.]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:41:12 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
wrote:

>> It's funny, also on eBay, someone has the old Columbia LP for $3.99
>> (mint condition) and below it someone else is selling the same LP for
>> $49.95 (I guess the fact they used the word "rare" in their ad about 20
>> times makes their copy more valuable).
>
>How can I say briefly what I've shown (and laughed at uproariously) time
>and time again? Some eBay sellers are just ignoramuses. Take a look and
>see how many people are offering Toscanini's Red Seal set of Beethoven
>symphonies, LM-6901, at any one time; three of them that I see just now.
>There will often be one at a minimum bid of $5.00 or so, and it simply
>won't sell; the idiots are the ones which demand a minimum of $19.99 and
>trumpet that it is "rare," when in truth it is one of the most common items
>around, simply because it sold so well to begin with.
>
>Now that I've gotten started on eBay stupidity (which might bring back that
>idiot troll from rural Oregon, but then who cares?), I have to mention my
>"favorite," that of the poor beknighted souls who offer a recording of some
>symphony, say, Beethoven's 5th; they then punctiliously list all of the
>initial tempo indications for each movement, and fail to identify the
>performers. In other words, they waste their effort listing that data
>which is common to every single recording of the piece ever made since
>1911, and then don't bother to give the data which might uniquely identify
>what they are offering. These people should gracefully bow out, period.
>
>And since you mention it, if I were one of the people running eBay, I could
>raise a heck of a lot of money by putting a surcharge on the use of the
>word "rare" in a listing.

This must be exactly the kind of thread that I want to join into! As
it happens, "rare" is currently the number-one word in the English
language for which I am so concerned that people use it properly. I
suppose that what's written above is probably an illustration of my
point!

I think it's confusing to begin with, as it seems to have one or two
other meanings that are unrelated to its typical meaning.

For the time being, I just try to stay away from this word. So, for
example, my mother can never say that I am her "Rare Gem", although
she certainly used this expression quite often when I was a small boy.
She cannot explain the history of the phrase beyond the concept of the
legendary Dr. Montazem, to whom she was known as Rare Gem.

- Daniel al-Autistiqui
--
Daniel Gerard McGrath: a/k/a "Govende"
I have the developmental disability Autism.

To e-mail me, remove the six upper-case letters at
the beginning of my address.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:22 pm
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Boy, could I ever go for a steak right about now.

swac
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