Silver Surfer Movie vs. Comic

RogerM <roger.mckay RemoveThis @ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in
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> Agent Smith wrote:
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>> RogerM <roger.mckay RemoveThis @ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in
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>> > Agent Smith wrote:
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>> >> Yeah, that organic webshooter decision was also a glaring mistake,
>> >
>> > You bet. If they are organic (Natural) they belong on his butt!
>> > Everything in the movies is a cheat.
>>
>> I don't know what that means,
>
> Which comment?

Both.

>> but Flash Thompson was also completely
>> wrong. Not that it doesn't also happen routinely in the comics, but
>> am I the only one who sees that his Spider sense never works in a
>> fight, but only when it's necessary to advance the plot. It it
>> really happened like it's supposed to, opponents would never lay a
>> glove on him, and he'd win every fight walking away. He could battle
>> Superman to a standstill, with no wussy power boost from Luthor.
>
> Well, I'm not an expert, certainly, but I thought it just alerted him
> to danger. Even if it gave him super reflexes (which spiders DON'T
> have, BTW), Spiderman has superspeed and that would overcome the
> reaction ability, right?

It wouldn't overcome it, but rather it would augment it, because they're
not working against each other, but in concert. However, I may be
conflatulating the traditional Spider Sense with the movie
interpretation, because, in the comic, and in the movie scene with Gobby
at the parade, his Spider Sense generally warns him of trouble when it's
on the other side of his visual horizon, but heading his way fast.

But in the incident at the lockers with Flash, it was used during the
fight, and when the punch was coming in Peter's direction, time just
slowed down, and all he had to do was step aside and watch it go past.
If that happened in every fight, no villain could ever touch him.

Yet villains land plenty of punches that he should theoretically be able
to see coming, well in advance, if you slow down time from the machine
gun speed of the fights. They did it in the first film, so he should
have plenty of time to spare, just like he did with Flash.

When I was in high school in '76, I wrote a letter to Marvel about the
selective functioning of his Spider Sense, but it was the only one of my
four letters that they declined to publish.

>> >> and your
>> >> other points are similarly easy to debate away. I expect all the
>> >> Marvel franchises to have legs equal to Batman and Superman, and
>> >> now that they're here, they'll never leave. Notice that
>> >> Hollywood's DC franchises are also expanding at breakneck speed,
>> >> with Supergirl, Jor-El and Green Arrow being regular characters on
>> >> Smallville and a talk of a JLA movie.
>> >>
>> >> All we really need are Green Lantern, The Atom and Hawkman, and
>> >> the ark will be fully populated. 'Course, I gotta thing for Tina
>> >> from the Metal Men, and not the Metropolis robot Tina, but the new
>> >> look, mod chick. She can polish my jewelry any time, if you know
>> >> what I mean.
>> >
>> > Metal Men! Wow, I don't see MM references very often. Loved them as
>> > a teen. Assuming it's the same group I'm thinking of.
>>
>> Do you like science?
>
> Yes. That was a major reason I liked the MM.

I suspected as much. What do you do?

>> The one thing that annoys me most about Hollywood is that THEY'RE ALL
>> FAGS!!! And by "FAGS!!!" I also mean that in the sense that het-men
>> use it to deprecate each other. GRAAAAAAhHHH!!!
>
> Well, acting and all is a rather sissy way to make a living. Once you
> have done some Shakespeare, there is no going back, I suppose.

There's some great lines in Romeo and Juliet, and if you memorize them
and pull them out of your ... hat ... on a moment's notice, the chicks
find it very seductive. But then, I guess that chicks love the gayboys,
don't they. Thank gawd for comics, with their raging cheescake hetero
tendencies, and thank gawd for the girls who like comics.

In rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe Agent Smith <agent-smith DeleteThis @two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
> But in the incident at the lockers with Flash, it was used during the
> fight, and when the punch was coming in Peter's direction, time just
> slowed down, and all he had to do was step aside and watch it go past.
> If that happened in every fight, no villain could ever touch him.

Except if there was nowhere to step to. Or if there were too many
incoming attacks to dodge them all. Or if he was distracted by something.
Or if he had his hands full (of civilians, perhaps, or whatever). Or if
the attack was simply faster than he is. Or if he's too tired to keep
dodging. Or if he's already injured and thus moving more slowly. Or if he
chooses to take a punch in order to exploit a hole in his opponent's
defenses. Or if dodging would put him in an even worse position, for
whatever reason. Or if he's in the air and simply doesn't have the
traction he needs to change his trajectory. Or if he needs to take the hit
in order to protect nearby civilians. Or if he misinterprets the warning,
or simply decides to ignore it. Or if the warning isn't so strong as to
make him move instinctively. Or...
Well, you get the idea.
Just because he can sense it coming doesn't mean he can
automatically avoid it. Superman, for example, is simply too quick to
dodge; if he wants, he's far, far faster than Spider-Man. This is a guy
who can, depending on the depiction, give the Flash (Not the jock. The
other guy.) a run for his money, or at least keep up pretty well.
(Not that I think that the spider-sense has been handled terribly
consistently over the years, but then that applies to most superpowers
possessed by most superheroes.)

> But then, I guess that chicks love the gayboys, don't they.

Well, okay.

- Mikki