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Jennie Kermode wrote:
>
> IS IT BECAUSE YOU FIND HOLOCAUST DENIER SICKENING THAT YOU
> CAME TO US?

Oh dear. Now the Goths think that Walpurgis is some kind of Messiah.
I can't see this ending well.
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On 2006-11-21 21:06:17 +0000, Jennie Kermode <"Jennie
Kermode"@triffid.demon.co.uk> said:

>>>>>> You DAFT RACIST.
>>>>>
>>>>> An A.I. bot with very limited I.
>>>>
>>>> WHY DO YOU HATE JEWDOM?
>>>
>>> WHAT IS JEWDOM ?
>>
>> A HOLOCAUST DENIER as well.
>> SICKENING.
>
> IS IT BECAUSE YOU FIND HOLOCAUST DENIER SICKENING THAT YOU CAME TO US?

And are you called COMMODE because you WANT TO GET CRAPPED ON, sweetheart?

RACIST SCAT FREAK.

--
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seem to hate any horror movie made after 1979 or isn't Italian." -
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On 2006-11-22 22:40:27 +0000, "Jared" <bijgh.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> said:

>> IS IT BECAUSE YOU FIND HOLOCAUST DENIER SICKENING THAT YOU
>> CAME TO US?
>
> Oh dear. Now the Goths think that Walpurgis is some kind of Messiah.
> I can't see this ending well.

I'm THE LORD OF THE HARVEST!

BRING IT ALL DOWN! BRING IT ALL DOWN! BRING IT ALL DOWN!

# Bringing in the sheaths, / Bringing in the sheaths, / We will come
rejoicing, / Bringing in the sheaths... #

--
You would do better not to discuss any aspect of your ordeal with the
mocking imbeciles residing in the alt. horror newsgroup. Let them
chatter and slaver and drool as much as they wish. Discussing something
as upsetting and horrendous as that with dribbling, gibbering
schadenfreude infected monkeys is hardly a recipe to be recommended. -
T.Bone, 22/11/06
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>>> Yes it is; the newest version isn't, but older versions are available to
>>> download free from the Microsoft site.
>>
>> Can you show me where you can get this ?
>>
>> I'm sure everyone would like word for nothing.
>> or are you lying or mistaken.
>
> Actually, it looks as though I'm mistaken; Word Viewer is available free,
> but it looks as though downloading Word itself will cost 99c, from any
> number of sites.
Perhaps you can show me at least one legal site.

>>> It's not standard for handing in work, no. Why on earth do WMUL ask
>>> students to hand in work in PDF format? Do students hand in work
>>> electronically, or on paper?
>> Depending on the course and practicalities .
>> There are three basic methods, Paper, ZIP archieve and PDF
>> (it's QMUL. BTW)
>
> Yeah, typo, apologies.
:-) thought so.

> So why do they ask for PDFs? It seems a really odd format to ask for work
> in. What are the benefits?
How can it be an odd format considering it's the standard format for
reports.

One advantage is that we're not dictating what platform the student uses for
their W.P work, and as it's free were not insiting they spend any extra
money.
This also means every marker/examiner doesn't need to buy every piece of WP
software on the market in order to be compatible.
Even fonts can be added/embedded in to the PDF, so if the reader doesn't
have the correct
font it doesn't matter.
This pretty much makes an excuse of I didn't have the correct software
unusable
as blaming the dog for chewing it up.


Another advantage over text or word files is that if a lecturer opens them
and then closes them it's far more difficult to corrupt the file by adding
text
accidentally. I mean you could be reading a student word file and hit the
wrong
key to move up/down etc.. adding text to the document or even deleting whole
paragraphs,
you just can't do this with PDFs unless you really want to.

Another advantage is when including graphs or other graphical media.
I used to have to convert all the project docs from WPs to PDFs
some of these WP files were 100Mb or more when PDFing they take up far less
disc space typically less than 1/10th of the size of the WP file.
Also making it handy for printing regular backups for archive purposes.

Another advantage is that a PDF isn't anywhere near as likely to contain a
virus.
When you have 1-200 students uploading to a file server, small size can be
important
and not worrying about virus propagation is also a bonus.

Another problem comon to microsoft is that versions change and you must have
the most
uptodate version for it to be compatable with earlier versions and even then
not all
products are backwards compatable. Even Acrobate had a few problems going
from 6 to 7.
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>>> No Dave, it doesn't; if you put them in alphabetical order,
>> That is one method.
>
> One method of _what_, exactly?

Presenting data.


>>>as you obviously did, QMU is number 76 and York is number 118.
>> And ELU 29
>
> And your point is what, exactly? Do you actually think that their
> alphabetical order is in any way significant?

Then why do it. But it does tell you how many univ. there are in the study.


>
>>> Only in tariff 4, which is for lower achievers than tariff band 6; in
>>> Electrical an Electronic Engineering, York comes in 4th in tariff 6, the
>>> "best" tariff.
>>
>> Well taking higher grade A-level students in must make it easier to get
>> higher grade
>> degree students out. So taking in lower level studetns is a disadvantage.
>
> Yes. Are you seriously trying to defend your University?
Nothing to defend it's the facts.

> That's very sweet, but really very pointless; I could understand it if you
> were an academic, but, well, why are you so invested?

It just shows that I understand teaching lower ability students
is harder ot get that a good grade not easier.



>> Perhaps if York had to admit lowwer tarif student's rather than the
>> 'cream'
>> then maybe it would get such high results.
>
> Yes. The reason they don't have to is because they're very good, and
> therefore attract better students.
Very good, at what exactly.
Is it the same way Chelsea find it easier to get world class players
than say York does, can you tell me why york isn't a premium league club.


>>> Yes; a higher "spend per student" is generally considered to be a
>>> selling point.
>>
>> Yes it is, but is it really fair.
>
> Yes. Students want to go somewhere where they are valued, and therefore
> where they are taught by good people (who attract higher salaries) with a
> better staff-to-student ratio,a nd with better equipment. Why would
> students not prioritise that?

That makes all comparisions of very little use in the real world.
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>>> I'm sure everyone would like word for nothing.
>>> or are you lying or mistaken.
>>
>> Actually, it looks as though I'm mistaken; Word Viewer is available free,
>> but it looks as though downloading Word itself will cost 99c, from any
>> number of sites.
> Perhaps you can show me at least one legal site.

*heh* I didn't say they were legal.
However, do any of your computers at WMUL _not_ have a word processor of
some sort?

>> So why do they ask for PDFs? It seems a really odd format to ask for work
>> in. What are the benefits?
> How can it be an odd format considering it's the standard format for
> reports.

Well, you say it's standard for your department; it isn't standard for any
of the departments I've worked in or with, or studied in.


> One advantage is that we're not dictating what platform the student uses
> for
> their W.P work, and as it's free were not insiting they spend any extra
> money.
> This also means every marker/examiner doesn't need to buy every piece of
> WP
> software on the market in order to be compatible.
> Even fonts can be added/embedded in to the PDF, so if the reader doesn't
> have the correct
> font it doesn't matter.
> This pretty much makes an excuse of I didn't have the correct software
> unusable
> as blaming the dog for chewing it up.

Fair enough.

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>> One method of _what_, exactly?
>
> Presenting data.

Well, yes, but so what? In this particular case, it clearly isn't a useful
way of presenting it, in that you totally misunderstood it.

>> And your point is what, exactly? Do you actually think that their
>> alphabetical order is in any way significant?
>
> Then why do it. But it does tell you how many univ. there are in the
> study.

You tell me; you're the one who chose to order them alphabetically. Why did
you do that?

>>> Well taking higher grade A-level students in must make it easier to get
>>> higher grade
>>> degree students out. So taking in lower level studetns is a
>>> disadvantage.
>>
>> Yes. Are you seriously trying to defend your University?
> Nothing to defend it's the facts.

Well, you seem to be implying that there's something unfair about the way
the ratings are set up. Thing is, QMUL _could_ decide only to take in more
able students, couldn't they?

>> That's very sweet, but really very pointless; I could understand it if
>> you were an academic, but, well, why are you so invested?
>
> It just shows that I understand teaching lower ability students
> is harder ot get that a good grade not easier.

You do know that the universities aren't graded by the final results, but by
teaching quality?

>> Yes. The reason they don't have to is because they're very good, and
>> therefore attract better students.
> Very good, at what exactly.

Read the sites I linked to; they tell you exactly how Universities are
graded.

>> Yes. Students want to go somewhere where they are valued, and therefore
>> where they are taught by good people (who attract higher salaries) with a
>> better staff-to-student ratio,a nd with better equipment. Why would
>> students not prioritise that?
>
> That makes all comparisions of very little use in the real world.

Well, no, it doesn't; the comparisons give students a way of figuring out
what sort of quality of teachign they're likely to get at various different
institutions,a dn thereby make a sensible and informed decision on where
they want to study.

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> # Bringing in the sheaths, / Bringing in the sheaths, / We will come
> rejoicing, / Bringing in the sheaths... #

That's like condoming us to a fate worse than death :)
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> Another advantage is that a PDF isn't anywhere near as likely to contain a
> virus.

Unfortunately, that´s not true. As much as I agree that PDF is the superior
format, there can be indeed viruses in PDF files. It´s a special kind of
JAVA scripted virus, so the best solution for safety is to disable
Javascript in your PDF viewer/maker! Within the last 6 month my AV revealed
and disinfected about a dozend virus-containing PDF´s.

Matt Kramer

We don´t solve mysteries in real life -
why should we do it in films?
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>> Perhaps you can show me at least one legal site.
>
> *heh* I didn't say they were legal.
Well that would make a differnce. :)

> However, do any of your computers at WMUL _not_ have a word processor of
> some sort?
tut tut QMUL.

Anyway the answer is yes. Although I should only speak for teh computers in
my lab.
I have about 50 computers in my lab none of which have word.
You see we run a labs where the student uses the computer for computer and
simulation
rather than typing up their course notes which they should do in their own
time.
If we put WPs on our PCs they would get used by everyone doing WPing and
this would
severely restrict students doing 'proper' work on them.
In fact quite a number of the computers have restricted web access as this
is even more
of a problem. Most of our student PCs don't have office installed. WP
facilities aren't really
a part of teaching Electronics or computers. With more and more students
having their
own computers especially laptops we expect them to use them for writing up,
we even provide
wireless access points I have one in my lab.


>
>>> So why do they ask for PDFs? It seems a really odd format to ask for
>>> work in. What are the benefits?
>> How can it be an odd format considering it's the standard format for
>> reports.
>
> Well, you say it's standard for your department; it isn't standard for any
> of the departments I've worked in or with, or studied in.
Perhaps they're a little outdated then and should join 21st century.


>> Even fonts can be added/embedded in to the PDF, so if the reader doesn't
>> have the correct
>> font it doesn't matter.
>> This pretty much makes an excuse of I didn't have the correct software
>> unusable
>> as blaming the dog for chewing it up.
>
> Fair enough.

I'm sure you've heard some excuses for not submitting work.
A few years back it was the trains high voltage cables that erased their
floppy discs was why they hadn't finished the work.
Then it was because the printer wasn't working etc....
Which we now refuse to accept even if it our printers that stopped working.
students can work very hard on excuses we just have to work harder
at ignoring them :)
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>> Another advantage is that a PDF isn't anywhere near as likely to contain
>> a virus.
>
> Unfortunately, that´s not true. As much as I agree that PDF is the
> superior format, there can be indeed viruses in PDF files. It´s a special
> kind of JAVA scripted virus, so the best solution for safety is to disable
> Javascript in your PDF viewer/maker!

Yes that's true, but because they are submitted electronicly and the
software
for doing it is written in-house we can eliminate that type of virus.
The probelm we had previously was with the word template virus
that seems to spread liek a virus :-) to academics PCs and then taken home
and distributed further.
Not that it was a problem virus like destroying file and HDs it was just
very annoying
a bit like some of our students.

>Within the last 6 month my AV revealed
> and disinfected about a dozend virus-containing PDF´s.
>

I've not heard of any problems we've had although I'm not
that involved with the uploads I deal with paper submissions,
perhaps that's why I keep getting colds.
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>>> How can it be an odd format considering it's the standard format for
>>> reports.
>>
>> Well, you say it's standard for your department; it isn't standard for
>> any of the departments I've worked in or with, or studied in.
> Perhaps they're a little outdated then and should join 21st century.

*shrug* In Psychology, there's no call for .PDF files; all our computers
have a word processor on them, students hand in a hard copy, not a digital
format, and there's no reason to use PDFs. Even if they handed in a soft
copy, as long as it was non-rewriteable, a word document would be more
sensible than PDF.

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>>> One method of _what_, exactly?
>>
>> Presenting data.
>
> Well, yes, but so what? In this particular case, it clearly isn't a useful
> way of presenting it, in that you totally misunderstood it.
But I didn't I noticed that there were many ways to sort the data.

You chose to use 2004 and York, whereas we are in 2006 and you work for UEL.


>>> And your point is what, exactly? Do you actually think that their
>>> alphabetical order is in any way significant?
>>
>> Then why do it. But it does tell you how many univ. there are in the
>> study.
>
> You tell me; you're the one who chose to order them alphabetically. Why
> did you do that?
That is the default setting on the site. Not that's it's a partuicular good
site,
I think it could be improved a little.

>
>>>> Well taking higher grade A-level students in must make it easier to get
>>>> higher grade
>>>> degree students out. So taking in lower level studetns is a
>>>> disadvantage.
>>>
>>> Yes. Are you seriously trying to defend your University?
>> Nothing to defend it's the facts.
>
> Well, you seem to be implying that there's something unfair about the way
> the ratings are set up.

Well yes, as it's far easier to teach clever students to be a bit cleverer
than it is to
teach students that aren't really that good to become good.
That is why most educational institutes have some form of acceptance
grade structure because it IS easier to teach a subject to a pupil that
has already a good knowledge of the subject than someone that hasn't.
It's not rocket science but perhaps it is.



>Thing is, QMUL _could_ decide only to take in more able students, couldn't
>they?
Well they could but what of those students that haven;t quite got the
required grades
would the 'top' universities taken then on and risk their reputation ?
I don't think so.

>>> That's very sweet, but really very pointless; I could understand it if
>>> you were an academic, but, well, why are you so invested?
>>
>> It just shows that I understand teaching lower ability students
>> is harder ot get that a good grade not easier.
>
> You do know that the universities aren't graded by the final results, but
> by teaching quality?

But do you know how that is decided upon, if it's not to do
with what the students have been taught.
Has it something to do the the quality of beer in the bar ?


>>> Yes. Students want to go somewhere where they are valued, and therefore
>>> where they are taught by good people (who attract higher salaries) with
>>> a better staff-to-student ratio,a nd with better equipment. Why would
>>> students not prioritise that?
>>
>> That makes all comparisions of very little use in the real world.
>
> Well, no, it doesn't; the comparisons give students a way of figuring out
> what sort of quality of teachign they're likely to get at various
> different institutions,a dn thereby make a sensible and informed decision
> on where they want to study.

But as you say the top institions the teaching staff get paid more,
but the cost of the course is the same as anywhere else isn't it.
So if an instition pays more for it teachers and more on equipemtn for the
students
then where does the money come from ?
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