Somthing else for the spelling police!!!

"whisky-dave" <whisky-dave DeleteThis @final.front.ear> wrote in message
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>> In what way? Under what circumstances might a student's grasp of English
>> grammar and spelling be improved more by lessons in the gramar and
>> spelling of some language other than English, than by lessons in English
>> grammar and spelling?
>
> You yourself said an understanding of Latin could improve understanding
> of the English language.

Yes, I did, but I didn't say that it would improve understanding _more_ than
English would.

> I'd also assume if you were studying Egyptology
> then an understanding of Egyptian may well be an advantage.

But we're not talking about Egyptology, we're talking about basic English
grammar and spelling.

>>> I'm not sure but the aim was higher than 50% they wanted to match
>>> what other countries were doing, but they didn't really understand their
>>> systems,
>>> and how the social structure in the UK wasn't quite the same.
>>
>> Do you have a cite for any of this?
>
> you could look yourself but I actually remember some of the ideas
> and aims being banded about by government spokes persons.

So you don't have a cite?

>> Do you mean "assess" rather than "access"? Could you provide a cite for
>> what you're talking about, as you're not explaining it clearly at all?
>
>
> You don't have teaching quality assessments ?

Yes, we do. But you weren't talkign about our assessments, you were talking
about what the Times ES says. So please could you provide a cite for what
you were talking about?

>> Do you see why proofreading is important, Dave? You've written exactly
>> the opposite of what you meant to say. If you'd read it before sending
>> it, it wouldn't have said the opposite of what you meant.
> But you worked it out didn;'t you.

Well, I'm used to trying to interpret very poor writing, because a lot of
our students write very poorly. For most people, it would be difficult.

>>I'm currently marking a whole load of lab reports; I haven't personally
>>done the research that they're writing about, but I'm still perfectly able
>>to grade their reports, and I'm perfectly capable of teaching them how to
>>do the research adn how to write the reports.
>
> But do the reults matter, or is it just an excercise.

The results go towards their final mark, so it matters to them.

>>>>> That is one of the problems making colleges Universities takes more
>>>>> than just
>>>>> a change of name.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely.
>>> wow, then I wonder what genoisu thought it would.
>>
>> I don't think anyone thought any such thing; what makes you believe that
>> someone did?
>
> So what made them change it about ?

They didn't just change the name, they changed a lot of other things too.

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Dag says
> Varizo. wrote:
> > Ive had ppl in other NGs say how much my spelling has inproved,
>
> To be fair your spelling seems to be better than it has been in the
> past.

Thank you , you can tell that to the morons who *pretend* that they can
never understand wot i say!!

> It does however seem highly variable. Some posts are almost
> acceptable while others are just atrocious. It seems that if you take
> your time you are able to write passably, but that you don't always take
> your time.

Thats cos somtimes, wehn ive seen loads of things that i want to reply
to, it takes so long and wehn ive been here literaly all nite, i just
want to get home and go to bed, so i dont always hav the time to check
and so i start posting things off in a hurry and dont always hav time
to put right misstakes, and ive had to try an remerbr that words that
end in ck dont *all* end in ck just cos theres a vowell in front but
thats wot i was told once befor and so i often make that misstake if im
not careful cos i hav done it befor ive remerberd, most of it is tha i
just dont remernbre all these things and some words can be spelt
diffrent ways and still sound right so that confuses me too, and like
ive said befor somtimes i just spell things in a shortend version cos
it saves time and im so used to it that i cant get out of th habit and
its wot i feel comfortabal with and i kno that a lot of ppl just make a
fuss to be arseholes and can understand me perfectley anyway, and the
thing that i dont understand most of all is why so many ppl like to
talk about things like spelling anyway, when its got to be one of the
most boring subjects on the planet!
V.
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H Duffy says
> "whisky-dave" <whisky-dave DeleteThis @final.front.ear> wrote in message
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> >> Do you see why proofreading is important, Dave? You've written exactly
> >> the opposite of what you meant to say. If you'd read it before sending
> >> it, it wouldn't have said the opposite of what you meant.
> > But you worked it out didn;'t you.
>
> Well, I'm used to trying to interpret very poor writing, because a lot of
> our students write very poorly. For most people, it would be difficult.

Right, so wot your saying then is that most ppl wouldent be abel to
understand wot Dave means, but you can cos your clever. Well wot about
all the times then that you *cant* understand wot Dave is saying? but
i can. Most of the time i can understand wot hes saying, so by your
criterria then that makes me more clever than wot you are, but your
always trying to say that im not inteligent, so that makes you stupid
then dont it?!!
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:08:21 -0500, Varizo. <varizo.TakeThisOut@netscape.net> wrote:

> Dag says
>> Varizo. wrote:
>> > Ive had ppl in other NGs say how much my spelling has inproved,
>>
>> To be fair your spelling seems to be better than it has been in the
>> past.
>
> Thank you , you can tell that to the morons who *pretend* that they can
> never understand wot i say!!
>
>> It does however seem highly variable. Some posts are almost
>> acceptable while others are just atrocious. It seems that if you take
>> your time you are able to write passably, but that you don't always take
>> your time.
>
> Thats cos somtimes, wehn ive seen loads of things that i want to reply
> to, it takes so long and wehn ive been here literaly all nite, i just
> want to get home and go to bed, so i dont always hav the time to check
> and so i start posting things off in a hurry and dont always hav time
> to put right misstakes, and ive had to try an remerbr that words that
> end in ck dont *all* end in ck just cos theres a vowell in front but
> thats wot i was told once befor and so i often make that misstake if im
> not careful cos i hav done it befor ive remerberd, most of it is tha i
> just dont remernbre all these things and some words can be spelt
> diffrent ways and still sound right so that confuses me too, and like
> ive said befor somtimes i just spell things in a shortend version cos
> it saves time and im so used to it that i cant get out of th habit and
> its wot i feel comfortabal with and i kno that a lot of ppl just make a
> fuss to be arseholes and can understand me perfectley anyway, and the
> thing that i dont understand most of all is why so many ppl like to
> talk about things like spelling anyway, when its got to be one of the
> most boring subjects on the planet!
> V.
>


uhhh.like especially in a horror newsgroup

maybe you guys need to start a new group called. alt.horror.spelling
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>> You yourself said an understanding of Latin could improve understanding
>> of the English language.
>
> Yes, I did, but I didn't say that it would improve understanding _more_
> than English would.

So what did you really mean then.


>>> Do you see why proofreading is important, Dave? You've written exactly
>>> the opposite of what you meant to say. If you'd read it before sending
>>> it, it wouldn't have said the opposite of what you meant.
>> But you worked it out didn;'t you.
>
> Well, I'm used to trying to interpret very poor writing, because a lot of
> our students write very poorly. For most people, it would be difficult.
Your saying university students write very poorly then how can they get
enough marks to pass their course not only that but marks improve
every year don't they.


>>>I'm currently marking a whole load of lab reports; I haven't personally
>>>done the research that they're writing about, but I'm still perfectly
>>>able to grade their reports, and I'm perfectly capable of teaching them
>>>how to do the research adn how to write the reports.
>>
>> But do the reults matter, or is it just an excercise.
>
> The results go towards their final mark, so it matters to them.
No not their results the results they used in their write-up and/or
experimental data. if you've not done the research yourself
how do you know the students have done it themselves
or even understand it.
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>>> Which suggests that your theory needs rethinking; actually, better
>>> universities with higher standards are more desireable than those with
>>> lower standards.
>> Yes they are that's why one Oxford lecturer was charging £30,000 and he'd
>> guarantee a student a place.
>
> *heh* Can you imagine someone being willing to pay that much to get into a
> University with lower standards?
No I can't, that's why the Oxford price was £30,000.
I think it's far more likely to happen at those univ. with a high demand for
places
it could also be true that they are the only univ. where this happens.

>> You'll also notice that these most wanted univ. also have higher
>> funding.
>
> Yes, that's because they're better, they attract more students of a higher
> calibre.
> All of which proves that you're quite wrong about lower standards being
> more attractive to students.
No I'm not, you just either don't understand it because you're not clever
enough.
Or is there another reason.

>>> No, Dave, it isn't. That's your theory, but it is contradicted by the
>>> facts.
>>
>> No it's not.
>
> Yes it is; your theory suggests that fewer people want to go to Oxford and
> Cambridge than to UEl and so on.

I HAVE NOT SAID THAT.


>> Check the 'social standard of say the top univ. with your UEL.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "social standard"; could you explain?
The type of social background the students come from.

>> I bet most of yuor studetns have a job that they have to do in order to
>> get through univ. I don';t think that is true of some of the top univ.
>
> What's your point?

It;s called level playing field is ma and pa give a student £1000 month
allowance that makes that students life a little bit easier than the student
that has to do night shifts in a local pub every night.
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On 2006-11-13 13:53:35 +0000, "whisky-dave" <whisky-dave DeleteThis @final.front.ear> said:

>>>> Ive had ppl in other NGs say how much my spelling has inproved,
>>>
>>> To be fair your spelling seems to be better than it has been in the
>>> past.
>>
>> Thank you , you can tell that to the morons who *pretend* that they can
>> never understand wot i say!!
>
> Well then they'd have to start addressing the actual point made
> rather than being a spelling Nazi.

Better to be a "spelling Nazi" than A REAL NAZI, you DAFT RACIST.

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seem to hate any horror movie made after 1979 or isn't Italian." -
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ReVulse wrote:

> I expect employees at my local bank to have basic numeracy skills and
> expect the mechanics at my garage to know about the workings of a car
> engine.

This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.
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>> Yes, I did, but I didn't say that it would improve understanding _more_
>> than English would.
>
> So what did you really mean then.

I meant that it can improve one's understanding of grammar and spelling.
Which bit of that is hard to understand?

>> Well, I'm used to trying to interpret very poor writing, because a lot of
>> our students write very poorly. For most people, it would be difficult.
> Your saying university students write very poorly

No, I'm saying _some_ University students write poorly.

then how can they get
> enough marks to pass their course

A lot of them don't.

not only that but marks improve
> every year don't they.

Do they? Do you have any evidence of that?

>>> But do the reults matter, or is it just an excercise.
>>
>> The results go towards their final mark, so it matters to them.
> No not their results the results they used in their write-up and/or
> experimental data. if you've not done the research yourself
> how do you know the students have done it themselves
> or even understand it.

I can tell whether they understand it by the way they've written about it.
Similarly, if they haven't actually done it themselves, that shows in the
writing.

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>>> Yes they are that's why one Oxford lecturer was charging £30,000 and
>>> he'd
>>> guarantee a student a place.
>>
>> *heh* Can you imagine someone being willing to pay that much to get into
>> a University with lower standards?
> No I can't, that's why the Oxford price was £30,000.

Right. So when you said that people would rather go to a University with low
standards than one with high standards, you were quite clearly wrong,
weren't you? Actually, not only would people rather go to a University with
high standards, but they're actually willing to try to cheat the system and
pay huge sums of money to go to a high-standard University; the same is
simply not true for a University with low standards.

> I think it's far more likely to happen at those univ. with a high demand
> for places
> it could also be true that they are the only univ. where this happens.

Right. So you've blown your own theory completely out of the water then.

>> Yes, that's because they're better, they attract more students of a
>> higher calibre.
>> All of which proves that you're quite wrong about lower standards being
>> more attractive to students.
> No I'm not, you just either don't understand it because you're not clever
> enough.

Perhaps you could explain it then; because so far, you've said that people
would prefer to go to a University with low standards rather than one with
high standards, but you've also admitted that people will go to great
lengths to go to a university with high stnandards, while they wouldn't go
to any such lengths to get into a University with low standards, and you've
admitted that Universities with high standards also tend to have a higher
demand. Which directly contradicts what you said before.
So please, explain what you actually meant.

>> Yes it is; your theory suggests that fewer people want to go to Oxford
>> and Cambridge than to UEl and so on.
>
> I HAVE NOT SAID THAT.

No, you didn't say it, but that's what your theory suggests. You said that
people would prefer to go to a University with low standards than one with
high standards; if that is true, then more people would want to go to UEl (a
university with low standards) than to Cambridge (a University with high
standards.

>
>
>>> Check the 'social standard of say the top univ. with your UEL.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "social standard"; could you explain?
> The type of social background the students come from.

What about it?

>
>>> I bet most of yuor studetns have a job that they have to do in order to
>>> get through univ. I don';t think that is true of some of the top univ.
>>
>> What's your point?
>
> It;s called level playing field is ma and pa give a student £1000 month
> allowance that makes that students life a little bit easier than the
> student
> that has to do night shifts in a local pub every night.


And your point is? This has nothing to do with the standard of work that is
expected by different universities.

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:53:35 +0000, whisky-dave wrote:

> Well then they'd have to start addressing the actual point made
> rather than being a spelling Nazi.

> I don't know about that it can be interesting especially pointing out
> the spelling Nazis errors in what they actually think is correct.

Surely that's getting very close to invoking Godwin's Law ?

You do seem a little confused. An expectation of a basic level of
education from others doesn't make someone a Nazi.

I expect employees at my local bank to have basic numeracy skills and
expect the mechanics at my garage to know about the workings of a car
engine. It seems reasonable therefore to expect a contributor to a written
forum to have some degree of spelling and grammar skill.

#Andy#
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marika says
> maybe you guys need to start a new group called. alt.horror.spelling

Ha, i wish they would ! They can all stay there then. Id never go
there!
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whisky-dave says
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> > Dag says
> >> Varizo. wrote:
> >> > Ive had ppl in other NGs say how much my spelling has inproved,
> >>
> >> To be fair your spelling seems to be better than it has been in the
> >> past.
> >
> > Thank you , you can tell that to the morons who *pretend* that they can
> > never understand wot i say!!
>
> Well then they'd have to start addressing the actual point made
> rather than being a spelling Nazi.

Youve got it Dave, right there. Thats it exactly! And the fact that
proveing a point about somthing or touching a nerve somwhere w some
truth about thereselves that they dont like, that somtiems sets them
off about spelling too , as a way of drawing atention away from wot
they dident like said.

> > thing that i dont understand most of all is why so many ppl like to
> > talk about things like spelling anyway,
> because that's easy for tehm to understand, they like the idea of strict
> rules that they must adhere to without question.
> they can then label anyone else a rebel or a terrorist
> or any other word they think applies.

Theyr pathietick. And the feebel reasons that they giv for why they
think that evry single word should be spelt right. I couldent manage a
spellcheck thing when i tried to use one once, and id never ever be
abel to now when im involved in so many diffrent threads in diffrent
NGs , its 20 past 6 in the morning now [!!!} and ive only just started
replying to these things in the last hour, cos ive been here allnite
caatching up with them, theres so many, the fact is that ppl who
agrees with somthing that ive said, or who can see the sence in
somthing that ive said, they dont go on about spelling, its only the
ppl who dont like somthing that ive said, who will go on about spelling
or pretend that they cant understand. I shouldent let myself get
involved in it realy, i should jus tignore all the stupid rubbish about
spelling, but ive had to put up wiht so much of it now, and it *has*
inproved, ppl hav said so, whcih makes it even more obvious that the
ones who complain are doing it to draw attention away from somthing
that i said , onto spelling insted. [for there own reasons].
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