new Sonosax mixing console

On 6/29/04 8:12 PM, in article
6a536c01.0406291912.3d58f59b RemoveThis @posting.google.com, "mixermans"
<pram100 RemoveThis @fido.ca> wrote:

> For me, the most important feature of
> any big step would be to somehow remix a take if I was unhappy with my
> mix. It is rare, but having that ability would be a real improvement.

Jeff Wexler comments:
I think we would all love to be able to re-do or re-mix some mixed track
that we have to turn in, but even if this were a capability/function of some
piece of hardware/software, when would you find the time to perform this
re-mix? For most of the people doing any kind of multi-track recording (and
this applies to even just 2-track recordings) there is still the necessity
of delivering on a daily basis, on most jobs, one good mixed track. If you
cannot make this mix any good, in the moment, the only one who may suffer
(other than you) is the picture editor.

> I have spoken to many post editors over the years and almost every one
> of them just wants a nice mixed mono track to work from.

If "post editors" means the PICTURE editor, this is probably true. For SOUND
editors, I have never once heard that they would prefer LESS flexibility, by
having only one track however well mixed it may be.

>Fnding words
> or phrases from multi track sources does not interest them.

Again, if you are talking about the picture editor, this sort of SOUND track
work may not interest them. The post sound editorial person or team on the
other hand, this is exactly what they do. They will have the nice (or not so
nice) mixed track from the picture editor and hopefully ALL the other sound
elements the production sound mixer (and others) have been able to deliver.

It is becoming quite clear to me as I continue to have discussions with
people about multi-track recordings (regardless of the machine you use to
accomplish this) that the best procedure will be: bring in to your mix all
the sources you find necessary to use to record a scene and MIX these to one
or two tracks just as if that is all you have to work with. If you have more
than one or two tracks, send each one of these sources or elements to their
own track, independent of your mix. You deliver the one good mixed track AND
all the elements that went into that mix so that someone later can have a go
at a new mix.

Regards, Jeff Wexler
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Any of the hard disk based field recorders will allow you to record iso
tracks and reserve on or two tracks for a mix. Of course, the more
tracks the machine is capable of the better, and the new models are up
to 10 tracks total. Then, at the end of the day, you could remix a take
if necessary.

You didn't saw whether you are working for film or Television. If film,
and you're working off a cart, the new Zaxcom 8 and 10 track machines
even offer an optional mixing control panel with linear faders. However,
I suspect from your writing that it is TV, because it is less likely
that TV post editors are interested in iso tracks. In that case, you can
burn to your mixes to compact flash memory cards instead of DAT tapes or
DVD Ram disks.

Marty

mixermans wrote:

>Hi everybody, This is my first post in a newsgroup! I have been
>speaking with Sonosax about their new mixing conole. I am under the
>impression that I will be able to output tracks and TC to a PC using
>the Pyramix software. Is anyone familiar with the system? I have been
>looking at various new systems to replace my Dat based recording but
>nothing really catches my fancy. For me, the most important feature of
>any big step would be to somehow remix a take if I was unhappy with my
>mix. It is rare, but having that ability would be a real improvement.
>I have spoken to many post editors over the years and almost every one
>of them just wants a nice mixed mono track to work from. Fnding words
>or phrases from multi track sources does not interest them. I am sure
>there are some tht can do this but they are rare. Thanks
>
>
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Well stated Jeff!

After all we are sound mixers not track layers!!

Regards

Mike
www.mikewestgatesound.webnz.co.nz
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On 2 Jul 2004 01:10:37 -0700, mikewest.TakeThisOut@soundtq.co.nz (Mike Westgate
AMPS) wrote:

>Well stated Jeff!
>
>After all we are sound mixers not track layers!!

But the soundmixing used to be a "must"" because of the lack of enough
tracks.
I think as soon as the new Multitrackers take over the 2 track DAT
market, in combination with tyhe new Adrenaline Avids, the way you
deliver might also change. ( mix track, all tracks )

R
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I think it depends upon the post production team's policy.

The question do you want a usable mix plus discrete tracks
or just discrete tracks will have to be asked, so I feel that
we will still be required to be "sound mixers".

I look forward to using my HHB Portadrive and offering post
facilities material that can be loaded from the hard drive
straight into Protools or Avid sessions.

I mixed onto mono and stereo Nagras for 13 years and I've mixed onto
DAT machines for 12 years and I feel that this skill will still
be required despite mulitrack opportunities that I now have.

For the record, how many features, TV dramas and documentaries
have you serviced?

Regards

Mike
www.mikewestgatesound.webnz.co.nz
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On 4 Jul 2004 01:19:48 -0700, mikewest.RemoveThis@soundtq.co.nz (Mike Westgate
AMPS) wrote:

>I look forward to using my HHB Portadrive and offering post
>facilities material that can be loaded from the hard drive
>straight into Protools or Avid sessions.

Thats what i mean, i wonder how things will change/develop when you
have these tracks all the time available.
Its not that i think that mixing is not good, or necessary, but things
will change, imo.

>I mixed onto mono and stereo Nagras for 13 years and I've mixed onto
>DAT machines for 12 years and I feel that this skill will still
>be required despite mulitrack opportunities that I now have.
>
>For the record, how many features, TV dramas and documentaries
>have you serviced?

20 years ( it feels shorter ) and a few months in total, Mixing for
14 years, over a 1000 ( 2000 ? ) commercials, 24 features , and a
shitload TV stuff. ( did i pass the test ? :-) )

But still the move from 1 ( 1987- nagra 4-2 ) to 2 ( 1989 -technics
260 A DAT ) , 4 ( 1995-nagra D ) to 8 ( 2003-cantar ) track, did
change my thinking over how to record and even mix, or not mix )

R ( by the way, did you already do a feature on the HHB ? )






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