Spiritual Phenomena

In article <1184112948.288258.35440 RemoveThis @n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Dave of Kan
says...

[snip]

>Christian clergy mainly says that spiritual phenomena is sinful, that
>spiritual phenomena is the work of the devil, but they use it
>themselves by way of prayer, fasting and asking other people to do
>works for them.


Orthodox Christian theology accepts as given the existence of certain phenomena
that transcend not only scientific explanation, but scientific (or natural) law.
It is impossible, for example, to feed five-thousand people with five loaves and
two fish, *and* take up twelve baskets of scraps. It is impossible to walk on
water, because the human body is too heavy. Yet these things happened.

Orthodox Christian theology recognizes two sources for the origin of these
phenomena. One is Almighty God, who endows his servants with the gift of
miracles, in accordance with the purposes of His will. Another is Satan, who is
also capable of bestowing the gift of miracles.

On the subject of miracles, orthodox Christian theology believes that what is
not of God is of the Devil. The *sin* here is failing to give the Almighty His
due. Want to pack most Christians into the seats at the next Harry Potter
movie? Simple. Have Harry say that his abilities and his works are down in the
power of the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ. You'll have them packed to
the rafters. But, then the secularists will object .. That's another issue.
You misrepresent orthodox Christian belief as I understand it by the simplistic
nonsense you claim above.
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On Jul 11, 4:07 pm, George Peatty <pttyg47-1....DeleteThis@copper.net> wrote:
> In article <1184112948.288258.35....DeleteThis@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Dave of Kan
> says...
>
> [snip]
>
> >Christian clergy mainly says that spiritual phenomena is sinful, that
> >spiritual phenomena is the work of the devil, but they use it
> >themselves by way of prayer, fasting and asking other people to do
> >works for them.
>
> Orthodox Christian theology accepts as given the existence of certain phenomena
> that transcend not only scientific explanation, but scientific (or natural) law.
> It is impossible, for example, to feed five-thousand people with five loaves and
> two fish, *and* take up twelve baskets of scraps. It is impossible to walk on
> water, because the human body is too heavy. Yet these things happened.
>
> Orthodox Christian theology recognizes two sources for the origin of these
> phenomena. One is Almighty God, who endows his servants with the gift of
> miracles, in accordance with the purposes of His will. Another is Satan, who is
> also capable of bestowing the gift of miracles.
>
> On the subject of miracles, orthodox Christian theology believes that what is
> not of God is of the Devil. The *sin* here is failing to give the Almighty His
> due. Want to pack most Christians into the seats at the next Harry Potter
> movie? Simple. Have Harry say that his abilities and his works are down in the
> power of the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ. You'll have them packed to
> the rafters. But, then the secularists will object .. That's another issue.
> You misrepresent orthodox Christian belief as I understand it by the simplistic
> nonsense you claim above.

Perhaps you misunderstand what the majority of the christians believe
today.
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George Peatty wrote:

> In article <1184112948.288258.35440.RemoveThis@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Dave of Kan
> says...
>
>>Christian clergy mainly says that spiritual phenomena is sinful, that
>>spiritual phenomena is the work of the devil, but they use it
>>themselves by way of prayer, fasting and asking other people to do
>>works for them
>>www.actors-actresses-acting.blogspot.com/
>
> Orthodox Christian theology accepts as given the existence of certain phenomena
> that transcend not only scientific explanation, but scientific (or natural) law.
> It is impossible, for example, to feed five-thousand people with five loaves and
> two fish, *and* take up twelve baskets of scraps. It is impossible to walk on
> water, because the human body is too heavy. Yet these things happened.

(Uh, George?...Why are you having deep discussions with a randomized
spam billboard? 0_o?)

Derek Janssen (are you waiting for the people in the commercials to talk
back to you?)
ejanss.RemoveThis@comcast.net
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:31:51 -0700, Dave of Kan <dmfar100.DeleteThis@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Perhaps you misunderstand what the majority of the christians believe
>today.

It's obvious one of us does. And, if you're unchristian enough to spell
Christian with a lower case c, I'm guessing you're not one, which makes it
very hard for me to believe you understand anything about what Christians
believe ..
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