Tarantino: Idea Thief

Agent Smith <agent-smith.RemoveThis@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> burped up warm pablum in
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> They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a sense
> of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the seventies, so
> Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be. All he ever watched
> was kung fu, horror and the occasional blaxploitation, so that's the
> entire library he has to draw on.

He watches westerns too. He has said that "Rio Bravo" is one of his favorite movies.

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On Oct 28, 5:13 am, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
> Michael O'Connor <mpoconn....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote innews:1193546481.189185.171350@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
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>
>
> > On Oct 27, 8:39 pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma....RemoveThis@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:28:49 GMT, Agent Smith
> >> <agent-sm....RemoveThis@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
> >> >I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his characters
> >> >clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that he just stole
> >> >that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
>
> >> It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some crooks
> >> showing up well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm pretty sure
> >> Quentin Tarantino didn't invent the jewel heist. The plagarizing
> >> bastard!
>
> > I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it becomes
> > you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch you use because
> > you can't come up with something fresh and different. DePalma is
> > another director who forever borrows from classic films; I don't care
> > for his style and The Untouchables was the only movie of his I liked.
> > I think Tarantino needs to stretch his talent and perhaps try
> > something different than making B-type movie plots with A list actors
> > and washed up 70's B grade actors; maybe try a comedy, or sci-fi.
>
> They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a sense
> of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the seventies, so
> Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be.


I can assure you I saw plenty of sci-fi movies in grindhouse theaters
in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.
To name a few:
ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS, PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, FIVE MILLION YEARS TO
EARTH, WESTWORLD, FUTUREWORLD, THE OMEGA MAN, BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS,
ELIMINATORS, etc.

And I'll take Tarantino's derivative-ness over George Lucas's anyday.
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On Nov 1, 3:51 pm, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
> le... RemoveThis @my-deja.com wrote innews:1193929256.519269.12880@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 28, 5:13 am, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
> > left.com> wrote:
> >> Michael O'Connor <mpoconn... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote
> >> innews:1193546481.189185.171350@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > On Oct 27, 8:39 pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma... RemoveThis @PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:28:49 GMT, Agent Smith
> >> >> <agent-sm... RemoveThis @two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
> >> >> >I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his
> >> >> >characters clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out that
> >> >> >he just stole that angle from "The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3." :(
>
> >> >> It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some crooks
> >> >> showing up well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm pretty sure
> >> >> Quentin Tarantino didn't invent the jewel heist. The plagarizing
> >> >> bastard!
>
> >> > I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it
> >> > becomes you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch you
> >> > use because you can't come up with something fresh and different.
> >> > DePalma is another director who forever borrows from classic films;
> >> > I don't care for his style and The Untouchables was the only movie
> >> > of his I liked. I think Tarantino needs to stretch his talent and
> >> > perhaps try something different than making B-type movie plots with
> >> > A list actors and washed up 70's B grade actors; maybe try a
> >> > comedy, or sci-fi.
>
> >> They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a
> >> sense of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the
> >> seventies, so Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be.
>
> > I can assure you I saw plenty of sci-fi movies in grindhouse theaters
> > in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.
> > To name a few:
> > ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS, PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, FIVE MILLION YEARS TO
> > EARTH, WESTWORLD, FUTUREWORLD, THE OMEGA MAN, BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS,
> > ELIMINATORS, etc.
>
> > And I'll take Tarantino's derivative-ness over George Lucas's anyday.
>
> Yeah, me too, but Tarantino and Lucas are both a couple of fools who got
> too big for thei britches. However, of the movies you listed, four are
> not grindhouse films (Five Million Years To Earth, Westworld,
> Futureworld and The Omega Man), three are probably not (Robinson Crusoe
> On Mars, Planet Of The Vampires and Battle Beyond The Stars), leqvig
> only one bona fide b-film in the lot (Eliminators). I think you need to
> do a little homework on what precisely constitutes a "grindhouse" film.
> ?:p~

I DID my homework, pal--in plenty of grindhouses in the '60s and '70s,
where I actually SAW the sci-fi films I cited--at theaters on New
York's 42nd Street and in the Bronx. The first double bill I ever saw
on 42nd Street had a science fiction film on it (the bill was SHAFT
and Roger Corman's IT CONQUERED THE WORLD). OMEGA MAN was on a double
bill with the Corman-produced women-in-prison hit, THE BIG DOLL HOUSE;
WESTWORLD was on a double bill with the kung fu film DEADLY CHINA
DOLL; PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES was on a double bill with ST. VALENTINE'S
DAY MASSACRE; FIVE MILLION YEARS TO EARTH played with THE GREAT WHITE
HOPE, etc. YOU said that sci-fi movies "weren't in the grindhouse in
the seventies" and I am simply correcting you by pointing out that
indeed they were.
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leo86 DeleteThis @my-deja.com wrote in
news:1193952977.591788.80420@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 1, 3:51 pm, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
> left.com> wrote:
>> le... DeleteThis @my-deja.com wrote
>> innews:1193929256.519269.12880@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 28, 5:13 am, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
>> > left.com> wrote:
>> >> Michael O'Connor <mpoconn... DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote
>> >> innews:1193546481.189185.171350@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> > On Oct 27, 8:39 pm, AZ Nomad <aznoma... DeleteThis @PremoveOBthisOX.COM>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:28:49 GMT, Agent Smith
>> >> >> <agent-sm... DeleteThis @two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >I thought Quentin Tarantino was so smart for giving his
>> >> >> >characters clever names in "Reservoir Dogs." It turns out
>> >> >> >that he just stole that angle from "The Taking of Pelham
>> >> >> >1-2-3." :(
>>
>> >> >> It's worse than that. Reservoir dogs had a heist with some
>> >> >> crooks showing up well armed to steal some diamonds. I'm
>> >> >> pretty sure Quentin Tarantino didn't invent the jewel heist.
>> >> >> The plagarizing bastard!
>>
>> >> > I don't have a problem with borrowing from films, but when it
>> >> > becomes you claim to fame many people will think it's a crutch
>> >> > you use because you can't come up with something fresh and
>> >> > different. DePalma is another director who forever borrows from
>> >> > classic films; I don't care for his style and The Untouchables
>> >> > was the only movie of his I liked. I think Tarantino needs to
>> >> > stretch his talent and perhaps try something different than
>> >> > making B-type movie plots with A list actors and washed up 70's
>> >> > B grade actors; maybe try a comedy, or sci-fi.
>>
>> >> They're out of his genere, and I don't think that he has much of a
>> >> sense of humor. SF movies weren't in the grindhouse in the
>> >> seventies, so Tarantino has no clue what the formula might be.
>>
>> > I can assure you I saw plenty of sci-fi movies in grindhouse
>> > theaters in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.
>> > To name a few:
>> > ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS, PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, FIVE MILLION YEARS
>> > TO EARTH, WESTWORLD, FUTUREWORLD, THE OMEGA MAN, BATTLE BEYOND THE
>> > STARS, ELIMINATORS, etc.
>>
>> > And I'll take Tarantino's derivative-ness over George Lucas's
>> > anyday.
>>
>> Yeah, me too, but Tarantino and Lucas are both a couple of fools who
>> got too big for thei britches. However, of the movies you listed,
>> four are not grindhouse films (Five Million Years To Earth,
>> Westworld, Futureworld and The Omega Man), three are probably not
>> (Robinson Crusoe On Mars, Planet Of The Vampires and Battle Beyond
>> The Stars), leqvig only one bona fide b-film in the lot
>> (Eliminators). I think you need to do a little homework on what
>> precisely constitutes a "grindhouse" film. ?:p~
>
> I DID my homework, pal--in plenty of grindhouses in the '60s and '70s,
> where I actually SAW the sci-fi films I cited--at theaters on New
> York's 42nd Street and in the Bronx. The first double bill I ever saw
> on 42nd Street had a science fiction film on it (the bill was SHAFT
> and Roger Corman's IT CONQUERED THE WORLD). OMEGA MAN was on a double
> bill with the Corman-produced women-in-prison hit, THE BIG DOLL HOUSE;
> WESTWORLD was on a double bill with the kung fu film DEADLY CHINA
> DOLL; PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES was on a double bill with ST. VALENTINE'S
> DAY MASSACRE; FIVE MILLION YEARS TO EARTH played with THE GREAT WHITE
> HOPE, etc. YOU said that sci-fi movies "weren't in the grindhouse in
> the seventies" and I am simply correcting you by pointing out that
> indeed they were.

That place you went to seems to only be half grindhouse. They were
apparently pairing b-movies with real cinema, which I suippose was
probably a good thing. :)
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On Jan 11, 8:34 pm, "Avoid normal situations."
<byend.removethisbityousillyper... DeleteThis @eskimo.com> wrote:

> > Comparing Tatantino to Scorsese is like comparing spoiled food to fine
> > french cuisine. :) Tarantino is a one-note Johnny.
>
> So you never noticed how strongly _Mean Streets_ resembles Fellini's _I
> Vitelloni_, or how much _Taxi Driver_ is reminiscent of Bresson's _Diary of
> a Country Priest_?

*****
I heard about this a decade ago; maybe more than that. Frankly, I
don't have a problem with Tarantino stealing chunks out of other
people's movies and incorporating them into his own post-modern stew.
Every film artist worth talking about steals (amorality being the
traditional moral template of cinema). You take your inspiration where
you can get it, and the results have to be judged accordingly. In the
case of 'Reservoir Dogs', Tarantino did more with Ringo Lam's
movie . . . and did it far more memorably . . . than Ringo Lam did.
That's all that counts.

And besides, how can you brandish Scorsese with a straight face when
he did his own, somewhat lumbering refurbishment of a Hong Kong
actioner just three years ago?

Tom Sutpen
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Led Zeppelin, T S Eliot and Quentin Tarantino.
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