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texsound

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:36 pm
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I've searched the archives for this and haven't seen this discussed
before - does anyone know of a mac or pc program that will READ audio
LTC from a mp3 (best option) or WAV file? I have a beta version of BWF
Timecoder (I am also going to contact the author of that program), but
that does the opposite of what i need ( it creates a LTC track from the
BWF file data ). I need a program that will allow my transcriptionist
to see the timecode numbers from a mp3 file with audio on one side and
audio timecode the other. None of the transcriptionists that my
clients use are willing to buy any external readers, and they would
also like to be able to easily paste the numbers into their
transcripton programs.

I have been exploring the BWF Widget program and that looks pretty
good. I have a 744t, so I can create BWF files and compress those with
the program. So far so good. But I would like to be able to use any
cheap mp3 recorder and not have all the extra weight ( the 744t ) and
the added hassle of converting files. I just want to hand them a disk
at the end of the day. I think I can get more support from everyone
(clients, other sound mixers, transcriptionists, ect) if the system is
cheap - buy some new software and cheap mp3 recorder.

Anyone have any ideas?

Brian Albritton

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:25 pm
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Guys...as someone who has to deal with transcription on almost every
shoot, I just can't bring myself to try to provide the software for
them to be able to do their job. I find that I can record the stuff
with LTC and audio, and then send the files to them. That is as far as
I want to be involved. I have been sending the files to transcription
houses at the producers request...often also to an AP, who will turn
down the left side speaker and do a rough transcription for the
producer...or for the producer to listen on the flight home, also with
the left side turned down.

I think BWF WidgetPro is probably what you want to recommend Brian!!!
I tend to recommend transcription houses that I have had good luck with
and leave it at that. But I did have an in-house client buy WidgetPro
and he says it does exactly what needs to be done.

This whole thing is indeed a reason for a rant!!! I just wish I could
justify a 744T, but ain't there yet for transcription use only!!!

cleve

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:46 pm
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> I think BWF WidgetPro is probably what you want to recommend Brian!!!
> I tend to recommend transcription houses that I have had good luck with
> and leave it at that. But I did have an in-house client buy WidgetPro
> and he says it does exactly what needs to be done.

does BWF Widget read a LTC track? if it does, that would be perfect!
i thought that it only read the timecode from .bwf (or .bwf compressed
to .mp3) files though.

brian albritton
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:48 pm
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Cleve:

Have you looked at any of the products from Gallery. I think they have
something called Timetools which might work for you.

Warren
cmassey wrote:
> Guys...as someone who has to deal with transcription on almost every
> shoot, I just can't bring myself to try to provide the software for
> them to be able to do their job. I find that I can record the stuff
> with LTC and audio, and then send the files to them. That is as far as
> I want to be involved. I have been sending the files to transcription
> houses at the producers request...often also to an AP, who will turn
> down the left side speaker and do a rough transcription for the
> producer...or for the producer to listen on the flight home, also with
> the left side turned down.
>
> I think BWF WidgetPro is probably what you want to recommend Brian!!!
> I tend to recommend transcription houses that I have had good luck with
> and leave it at that. But I did have an in-house client buy WidgetPro
> and he says it does exactly what needs to be done.
>
> This whole thing is indeed a reason for a rant!!! I just wish I could
> justify a 744T, but ain't there yet for transcription use only!!!
>
> cleve
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:17 pm
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> does BWF Widget read a LTC track? if it does, that would be perfect!
> i thought that it only read the timecode from .bwf (or .bwf compressed
> to .mp3) files though.

Brian, I only know the guy said with BWF WidgetPro he was doing exactly
what he wanted to do...read LTC and audio for transcription. I will
try to give him a call tomorrow and make sure that is correct.

I guess you could call TRANSCRIPT ASSOCIATES in NYC and ask Chris if he
would tell you the software they are using...he might not want to give
away a trade secret!!!

cleve
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:11 pm
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"cmassey" <cmassey26 DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>> does BWF Widget read a LTC track? if it does, that would be perfect!
>> i thought that it only read the timecode from .bwf (or .bwf compressed
>> to .mp3) files though.
>
> Brian, I only know the guy said with BWF WidgetPro he was doing exactly
> what he wanted to do...read LTC and audio for transcription. I will
> try to give him a call tomorrow and make sure that is correct.


BWF Widget Pro does NOT read LTC code. It will take a timecode stamped BWF
file and transcode it to MP3 and then insert the timecode stamp information
into the ID3 Tags. It can play back these timecode stamped MP3 files and
display the timecode in it's timecode window. Also since the precise
timecode start information is in the ID3 tags, a transcription house could
use that number as a starting point for an offset and use the actual run
time of the file to calculate accurate timecode for transcription purposes.


>
> I guess you could call TRANSCRIPT ASSOCIATES in NYC and ask Chris if he
> would tell you the software they are using...he might not want to give
> away a trade secret!!!

Chris is now able to use LTC, BWF Stamps or ID3 Stamped MP3.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:41 am
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On Jan 3, 4:36 pm, "texso...@gmail.com" <texso....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've searched the archives for this and haven't seen this discussed
> before - does anyone know of a mac or pc program that will READ audio
> LTC from a mp3 (best option) or WAV file? I have a beta version of BWF
> Timecoder (I am also going to contact the author of that program), but
> that does the opposite of what i need ( it creates a LTC track from the
> BWF file data ). I need a program that will allow my transcriptionist
> to see the timecode numbers from a mp3 file with audio on one side and
> audio timecode the other. None of the transcriptionists that my
> clients use are willing to buy any external readers, and they would
> also like to be able to easily paste the numbers into their
> transcripton programs.
>
> I have been exploring the BWF Widget program and that looks pretty
> good. I have a 744t, so I can create BWF files and compress those with
> the program. So far so good. But I would like to be able to use any
> cheap mp3 recorder and not have all the extra weight ( the 744t ) and
> the added hassle of converting files. I just want to hand them a disk
> at the end of the day. I think I can get more support from everyone
> (clients, other sound mixers, transcriptionists, ect) if the system is
> cheap - buy some new software and cheap mp3 recorder.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Brian Albritton

First thing comes to mind is how silly it is for some here to suggest
using a 4000 dollar recorder to record something that the
transcription house does(?) not want to invest enough in, to properly
use. I have posted here a few times that I use a cheap iriver
recorder to make split track mono/ tc transcription files... burned to
cd's... no one knows or cares what I use to make the recording and two
iriver 990's are about the size of a 744's battery... when I can charge
more than 25 dollars for providing the service and gear... I will
invest accordingly.

Brian, I think you anwered your own post... a cheap mp3 recorder, or
whatever and the proper software to generate a TC transcription. Other
than that, they could use a stopwatch and a TC calculator based on a
verbal TC slate at the head of every take.

Tell your transcription house to "google" Time code transcription...
Maybe they will see the light.

J
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:43 am
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:13 pm
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Jeff,
Perhaps you missed my point.
I don't own my 744t for transcription purposes.
It's for film or dual aspect HD jobs and gets
paid accordingly.
However, it's always in my kit so to me, it's silly to buy
ANY other recording device no matter how small
or cheap when I have a robust recorder under my fingers.

Glen


Jeff C wrote:
> First thing comes to mind is how silly it is for some here to suggest
> using a 4000 dollar recorder to record something that the
> transcription house does(?) not want to invest enough in, to properly
> use. I have posted here a few times that I use a cheap iriver
> recorder to make split track mono/ tc transcription files... burned to
> cd's... no one knows or cares what I use to make the recording and two
> iriver 990's are about the size of a 744's battery... when I can charge
> more than 25 dollars for providing the service and gear... I will
> invest accordingly.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:05 pm
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<gpiegari.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff,
> Perhaps you missed my point.
> I don't own my 744t for transcription purposes.
> It's for film or dual aspect HD jobs and gets
> paid accordingly.
> However, it's always in my kit so to me, it's silly to buy
> ANY other recording device no matter how small
> or cheap when I have a robust recorder under my fingers.
>

My sentiments as well. Now that I have a great collection of utilities to
allow me to easily batch transcode and process BWF files it makes little
sense to use a lesser recorder that won't serve me as well in the event the
audio might somehow be needed as a master.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:41 pm
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> I guess you could call TRANSCRIPT ASSOCIATES in NYC and ask Chris if he
> would tell you the software they are using...he might not want to give
> away a trade secret!!!
>
> cleve

i wouldn't tell me if i were him :-) BTW - i have been trying to get
my local clients to switch to those guys for a while now. if they
would go with TA i wouldn't have started this thread :-)

i talked to one transcriptionist and she is willing to buy a horita
timecode reader box, so that may work out fine with my cheap creative
nano plus i just bought ( $20 after all the rebates !!!) to do timecode
mp3 files.

the problem with all of the transcript programs i have found on the web
(including inqscribe) is that they have you set a timecode at the
beginning and they just freewheel from there on. they don't read the
actual timecode from the file. so if you start and stop the recording
in the field, it is going to get off time from the camera timecode.

i guess i will stick to my current method until something better comes
along, or the transcript people shell out the cash for a reader. right
now i have a pretty cool setup ( although it is useless in run and gun
situations - it doesn't fit in a bag very well but i have it all in a
small case that runs off battery power ) - i have a neuros MPEG4
recorder that i feed video that has a timecode burn provided by a
horita trg-50pc. i have found that i can run it at the most compressed
setting ( optimized for cell phones ) and the numbers are cleanly
visible and the audio sounds very good. the picture looks pretty bad,
but it is just for transcription after all. i can get 8.5hrs of
interviews on a 1gig sd card. i usually just pop the card into a
laptop at the end of the day and burn a disk, or sometimes just send
them via yousendit (charlie - thanks for the tip on this newsgroup
about the service). the advantage to my clients is that they can play
those files that i record on just about anything - treos, windows
mobile phones, pc, mac, ect ( free software TCPMP lets you watch mp4 on
palm). the only bad thing is that windows users have to install
quicktime to watch mp4 files, but i include the latest install on all
my burnt cd-r discs to make it easy for the lazy ones. anyone can
transcribe the files without any additional hardware, and just look at
the timecode numbers on the video as it plays. plus i get to charge
for it :-)



brian albritton
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:14 pm
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<texsound.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>> I guess you could call TRANSCRIPT ASSOCIATES in NYC and ask Chris if he
>> would tell you the software they are using...he might not want to give
>> away a trade secret!!!
>>
>> cleve
>
> i wouldn't tell me if i were him :-) BTW - i have been trying to get
> my local clients to switch to those guys for a while now. if they
> would go with TA i wouldn't have started this thread :-)
>
> i talked to one transcriptionist and she is willing to buy a horita
> timecode reader box, so that may work out fine with my cheap creative
> nano plus i just bought ( $20 after all the rebates !!!) to do timecode
> mp3 files.

Timecode readers are a temporary solution from yesteryear. LTC code is going
away and file based TC stamped code is the future of transcription.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:22 am
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On Jan 4, 6:05 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... DeleteThis @tomaras.com> wrote:
> <gpieg... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1167948788.511654.108040@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Jeff,
> > Perhaps you missed my point.
> > I don't own my 744t for transcription purposes.
> > It's for film or dual aspect HD jobs and gets
> > paid accordingly.
> > However, it's always in my kit so to me, it's silly to buy
> > ANY other recording device no matter how small
> > or cheap when I have a robust recorder under my fingers.My sentiments as > allow me to easily batch transcode and process BWF files it makes little
> sense to use a lesser recorder that won't serve me as well in the event the
> audio might somehow be needed as a master.

I just think it's "silly" to give away a cow when all they pay for is a
glass of milk. Is this about "transcription" or back up recording...
irony is; 25 bucks for a transcription... high quality multi track back
up- free. As my daughter reminds me... What...Ever.
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