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Howard Brazee

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(Msg. 46) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:48 pm
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:11:17 -0700, "mack"
wrote:

>> Who hears the whispered final words of Charles Foster Kane?
>>
>
>The audience. The nurse might, if she'd had an intercom turned on.
>If I were on my deathbed, a sled would be the last thing on my mind.

Well, Kane was on his deathbed, and guess what was the last thing on
his mind.

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:21 pm
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"Howard Brazee" wrote in message

> What are the biggest (or most amusing) unanswered plot questions in
> film?


What did Bill Murray's character whisper to Scarlett Johansson's character
at the end of Lost in Translation.

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:50 pm
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:53:33 -0400, Bill Anderson
> wrote:
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>> Well my Mom, who as an adolescent in 1939 really gave this a lot of
>> thought, long ago decided Scarlett got him back. She always got what
>> she wanted, didn't she? Scarlett, I mean.
>
> She wanted the Ante-Bellum South. As close as she could get was
> Tara. But the Rhett of that time no longer existed.

Well, thanks, I'll pass that along -- but I'm telling you she won't
listen to a word of it.

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(Msg. 49) Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:28 am
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Bill Anderson wrote:
> Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:53:33 -0400, Bill Anderson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well my Mom, who as an adolescent in 1939 really gave this a lot of
>>> thought, long ago decided Scarlett got him back. She always got what
>>> she wanted, didn't she? Scarlett, I mean.
>>
>> She wanted the Ante-Bellum South. As close as she could get was
>> Tara. But the Rhett of that time no longer existed.
>
> Well, thanks, I'll pass that along -- but I'm telling you she won't
> listen to a word of it.



do you mean that frankly your old dear won't give a damn ?
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Richard Schultz

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(Msg. 50) Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:49 am
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In article , Undecided wrote:

: I'm sorry, but I can't join in the applause for Chandler and his
: plotting. Here's a mystery solved when the detective recreates what he
: has magically calculated, the obvious ploy of the daft diva conspiring
: to have the victim teach her markswomanship. Anybody who could devise a
: denouement such as that could well allow stray chauffeurs to lie around
: unattended.

I suggest that you read Chandler's essay "The Simple Art of Murder." You
would find out that anyone who is applauding Chandler's "plotting" is
missing the point entirely.

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(Msg. 51) Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:19 am
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:27:18 -0700, Undecided wrote:

>Chandler's novel, but Chandler himself, apparently by oversight, had
>never explained who killed the chauffeur. So Hawks sent him a telegram
>asking him who had committed the murder. Chandler went back through his
>book, reflected on the mystery, and then sent a return telegram: "I
>DON'T KNOW."

The difference between Chandler and Christie: Christie would have known to
the split-second who and when and how ..
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:54 am
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Bill Anderson wrote:

>>> Well my Mom, who as an adolescent in 1939 really gave this a lot of
>>> thought, long ago decided Scarlett got him back. She always got what
>>> she wanted, didn't she? Scarlett, I mean.
>>
>> She wanted the Ante-Bellum South. As close as she could get was
>> Tara. But the Rhett of that time no longer existed.
>
>Well, thanks, I'll pass that along -- but I'm telling you she won't
>listen to a word of it.

Tell your mom that Scarlett did not always get what she wanted. She
wanted Ashley & didn't get him. She wanted money from Rhett to pay the
property tax & didn't get it. She wanted the doctor to help her
deliver Melanie's baby & she didn't get him. She wanted Rhett to take
her back to Tara after the Atlanta depot was burned & she didn't get
it. She often didn't get what she wanted, but she picked herself up &
dusted herself off & went ahead anyway, plucky gal that she was.







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-- Jacques Barzun, asked about ebonics in 2001
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:58 pm
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In article , George Peatty wrote:
: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:27:18 -0700, Undecided wrote:

:>Chandler's novel, but Chandler himself, apparently by oversight, had
:>never explained who killed the chauffeur. So Hawks sent him a telegram
:>asking him who had committed the murder. Chandler went back through his
:>book, reflected on the mystery, and then sent a return telegram: "I
:>DON'T KNOW."

: The difference between Chandler and Christie: Christie would have known to
: the split-second who and when and how ..

Yes, and no one reading the novel would have cared one way or the other what
happened to any of the characters even if they were being played by
Tyrone Power or Marlene Dietrich.

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(Msg. 54) Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:45 pm
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Dave in Toronto wrote:

[..]

> Chandler should have replied the Robert Browning did was he handed a
> poem he had written some years earlier and was asked what it meant.

Please try harder.

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(Msg. 55) Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:24 am
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Richard Schultz wrote:
> In article , Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:
> : Howard Brazee wrote:
> :> What are the biggest (or most amusing) unanswered plot questions in
> :> film?

> : The end of _Last Year at Marienbad_.

_Marienbad_ doesn't really belong in a thread about plot questions; not
every movie *is* a plot movie, and this movie definitely isn't.

> The biggest question regarding _Last Year at Marienbad_ is how anyone
> could take that film seriously. I mean, all of those moldings, baroque,
> dismal; the carpets that swallow the sound, as if your ear were far
> away, far from the carpets, far from everything. . .

I think it's beautiful. I really do. After a while, I stopped trying to
figure out the plot, 'cause I guessed during the film that the "plot" was in
there as a sop to the money-men and as such doesn't matter. That movie feels
a lot like how I have often felt, if that makes sense. I'll be damned if I
can describe exactly why, but everything about it just seems right, like the
world's finest nonsense poem. After all, exercises in sheer style are allowed
in just about every other medium, so why not in cinema?

Here's a rave review of it by a man far more knowledgable about these
matters than I am:

http://www.sdreader.com/php/mvdisplay.php?id=LASTYEAR

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