Walter Kerr on CITY LIGHTS:

On Jun 7, 1:09 pm, Shush wrote:
> On Jun 7, 12:22 pm, WaverBoy wrote:
>
> > I feel sorry for you. My favorite films (such as many of Charlie's) I
> > can watch over and over and over again, and still enjoy them
> > immensely. I've probably seen MODERN TIMES at least a hundred times.
>
> Don't feel sorry. I'm a film buff, but there are a lot of film
> buffs out there who spend hours every single day watching movies about
> fictional people's lives, rather than getting out of the dark and
> living lives of their own. I've never wanted to be one of those buffs,
> and I'm not.
>
> --Shush--

Neither am I, but I do enjoy rewatching my favorites.
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On Jun 3, 9:05 pm, d... DeleteThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Constance Kuriyama)
wrote:
> Phil P. (p...@nospam.com) writes:
> > On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:14:11 -0700, David Totheroh wrote:
>
> >>On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, G-HE... DeleteThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> >>> dtothe... DeleteThis @aol.com (David Totheroh)
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> >>>>it makes ludicrously absurd any
> >>> >>>>claims using Kerr as a source for
> >>> >>>>evidence of a flaw' in the end of City
> >>> >>>>Lights.
> >>> >>>I observed it without first having read
> >>> >>>it in Kerr.
> >>> >>I don't believe you.
> >>> >Actually he could be telling the truth... in
> >>> >exactly the same way that Clinton told
> >>> >the 'truth' about Monica and Bush has
> >>> >told the 'truth' about virtually everything
> >>> >he's said about Iraq and domestic spying.
>
> >>> Your usual scuzzy insinuations, I see.
>
> >>No insinuation intended, merely a sharp eye for rhetorical loopholes.
>
> >>> >If George heard about it from someone
> >>> >ELSE who had read Kerr before he
> >>> >noticed, his above statement would
> >>> >technically be true, completely
> >>> >misleading but true.
>
> >>> I never knew until I read it here that
> >>> Kerr mentioned it. I never even regarded
> >>> Kerr seriously as a film critic, since
> >>> he was principally a Broadway critic.
>
> >>And again, this still leaves open the very real possibility of having
> >>been told of the 'flaw' sans a Kerr attribution but still prior to
> >>having noticed it on your own.
>
> >>> >He also didn't say under what
> >>> >circumstances he first observed the
> >>> >socalled 'flaw.'
>
> >>> By watching the movie, you clown.
>
> >>Snide comments, coupled with the typical immature namecalling does
> >>very little to disprove my point.
>
> >>> > Other than as a rhetorical question,
> >>> >there's virtually no point in even asking
> >>> >whether it was first noticed in a theatrical
> >>> >setting or after how many previous
> >>> >viewings, because quite simply there is
>
> >>> no way to establish the veracity of the
>
> >>> >answer no matter what it might be. (And
> >>> >the precedent of his previous record of
> >>> >misremembering facts in ways that
> >>> >support' his 'conclusions' isn't very
> >>> >reassuring.)
>
> >>> Your usual trash.
>
> >>Is it that difficult for you to simply and unequivocally describe the
> >>true and full circumstances that led to your observation?
>
> > Kill file, kill file, kill file. Would this group be >that< much less amusing
> > if everyone else stopped interacting with him? I don't read his posts except
> > (regretfully) when they are quoted in messages by those I actually respect.
> > That's all I have to say.
>
> > Actually it's not - on the subject of the ultimate scene in CL, I think I first
> > noticed the "mismatch" during a live screening in Vancouver, probably the third
> > or fourth time I saw it. This was before the video era. I don't recall if I
> > remembered Kerr's mention of it or not, but I suspect the screening took place
> > after I had read the book. Anyway, it never bothered me. I never considered it
> > a flaw. I thought it was necessary to see Virginia's face clearly, hence flower
> > down, and an integral element of Chaplin's reaction to her, hence flower up. To
> > me City Lights is as near a perfect film as anyone has ever made.
>
> I'm quite sure I didn't notice this the first time I saw _City Lights_,
> since I was only about ten years old. Nor did I notice it the second
> time I saw it, which was in a college film course. Nor did I notice it
> the third time I saw it, which was on Fox Video. After reading Kerr's
> book, I made a point of looking for it, and after seeing it at last, my
> reaction was pretty much so what? Why would Kerr even bother to mention
> it? And why would people go on mentioning it as if it were somehow
> important?
>
> I've always been fascinated by this seeming need some people have to
> find fault with art. They can't create it themselves, but they can
> at least nitpick. The urge to find a flaw in what Agee rightly considered
> on of the greatest moments in film must be impossible for these people
> to resist.
>
> Connie K.

A new chance for the minutia-minded!! George and others can scan
'Wall*e' to see if all those technical defects join other aspects of
its inspiration. Reported by Time Magazine, Wall*e is to be released
in 2008 by Pixar. "Andrew Stanton, writer-director of Finding Nemo
[...], describes "this metalic love story as 'R2-D2 meets City
Lights,' with [robot] Wall*e meeting a cute robot named Eve. Those who
remember the 1931 Charlie Chaplin film, about a blind girl wooed by a
tramp she mistakenly believes is a rich man, can transpose the story
to a lonely planet and guess from there."

I'll be waiting for reports of misaligned articulated limbs and
mismatched rivets and lock washers.
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David Totheroh wrote:

>I'll be waiting for reports of misaligned
>articulated limbs and mismatched rivets
>and lock washers.

Only if the glitch appears in the most
famous and pivotal scene.
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