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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:12 pm
Post subject: Wireless camera link
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| Is anyone able to charge extra for a wireless camera link in an ENG/EFP
situation? Some of the camera people I work with say no, but if they
want it I think they should pay for it. A Zaxcom stereo link is not
cheap. Thoughts?????
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:55 pm
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"Opp" <justin.RemoveThis@oppmans.com> wrote in message
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> Is anyone able to charge extra for a wireless camera link in an ENG/EFP
> situation? Some of the camera people I work with say no, but if they
> want it I think they should pay for it. A Zaxcom stereo link is not
> cheap. Thoughts?????
Just make it clear as to how many wireless mics come with your package. If
they want more you charge them. If the camera people don't want to pay for
it then don't give it to them. Tell them you don't have any free wireless
with your package but you are happy to use their free wireless systems if
they provide them.
Out of curiosity, how much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and the
usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most part...anything
additional to that is extra. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:50 am
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Re: Wireless camera link
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 9:55pm
(EDT-3) From: tomaras.DeleteThis@tomaras.com (Charles Tomaras)
Out of curiosity, how much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and
the usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most
part...anything additional to that is extra.<<<<<<<<<<
$150 is cheap
Daily rental rates from a Florida rental house:
442 $65
pole $25
mic $50
radios $170 $85ea
wireless ifb $80
Total $390
Eric >> Stay informed about: Wireless camera link |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:50 am
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I did a check of prices in Los Angeles, and the same package daily would
be about $285. I have always felt that we are not getting the prices we
should be getting.
Eric Pierce
Eric Toline wrote:
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> Re: Wireless camera link
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> Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 9:55pm
> (EDT-3) From: tomaras.DeleteThis@tomaras.com (Charles Tomaras)
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>
> Out of curiosity, how much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
> package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
> standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and
> the usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
> redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most
> part...anything additional to that is extra.<<<<<<<<<<
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> $150 is cheap
>
> Daily rental rates from a Florida rental house:
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> 442 $65
> pole $25
> mic $50
> radios $170 $85ea
> wireless ifb $80
>
> Total $390
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>
> Eric
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:50 am
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"Eric Toline" <Audioetc DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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Re: Wireless camera link
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 9:55pm
(EDT-3) From: tomaras DeleteThis @tomaras.com (Charles Tomaras)
Out of curiosity, how much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and
the usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most
part...anything additional to that is extra.<<<<<<<<<<
$150 is cheap
Daily rental rates from a Florida rental house:
442 $65
pole $25
mic $50
radios $170 $85ea
wireless ifb $80
Total $390
Eric
Well Eric....one is not going to get daily rental house prices for a package
they are working for ENG. But the bottom line remains that one does not GIVE
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:50 am
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"Eric Pierce" <thefirstname DeleteThis @ericsound.com> wrote in message
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>I did a check of prices in Los Angeles, and the same package daily would be
>about $285. I have always felt that we are not getting the prices we
>should be getting.
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> Eric Pierce
And that would be the kind of number I'd give someone who complained about
$150 for a kit as I've described. Believe me....they complain.
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> Eric Toline wrote:
>> Re: Wireless camera link Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date:
>> Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 9:55pm
>> (EDT-3) From: tomaras DeleteThis @tomaras.com (Charles Tomaras) Out of curiosity, how
>> much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
>> package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
>> standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and
>> the usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
>> redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most
>> part...anything additional to that is extra.<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> $150 is cheap
>>
>> Daily rental rates from a Florida rental house:
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>> 442 $65
>> pole $25
>> mic $50
>> radios $170 $85ea
>> wireless ifb $80
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>> Total $390
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>> Eric
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:50 am
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Yeah, they do. Good answer...
Eric Pierce
Charles Tomaras wrote:
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> And that would be the kind of number I'd give someone who complained about
> $150 for a kit as I've described. Believe me....they complain. >> Stay informed about: Wireless camera link |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:03 am
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>From a "friendly" pro audio website-
442 - $35
411 - $80 ($160)
M72 & 2 X PR72b - $35
VDB 16', internal wired - $15
416 - $25, OR boom package $50 (incl Rycote, pole mic, XLR)
Total - $200/day
Bottom line...
Move to Florida and open a pro audio rental house, retire.
-Jason
Eric Toline wrote:
> Re: Wireless camera link
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> Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 9:55pm
> (EDT-3) From: tomaras RemoveThis @tomaras.com (Charles Tomaras)
>
>
> Out of curiosity, how much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
> package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
> standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and
> the usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
> redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most
> part...anything additional to that is extra.<<<<<<<<<<
>
> $150 is cheap
>
> Daily rental rates from a Florida rental house:
>
> 442 $65
> pole $25
> mic $50
> radios $170 $85ea
> wireless ifb $80
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> Total $390
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:24 am
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the paper (or the web pages) suffers everything :-)
if you are working soundman that do about 150 days in a year and like
to do about 15 % on your investment ( more if you dont borrow the
money) , everithing above 0.4% a day is just a still :-)
so dont know what are the others do or not for 20000 grand of equip in
your bag you take more then 100 you did it
so if it renting house , it might be double since they pay the rent
and staffers cellery
my 2 shekels
and sorry every normal producer know the numbers
the numbers are for people who buy new gear and keep it for 3 years and
sell it for 50% of it value
might be change a little from country to country
Oleg Kaizerman wrote:
> bottom line -you get what are you negotiat for
> i have agood trick , i just say that not all gear is my and send people to
> afriend to negitiate about equip , i tell him the bottom price so the
> producers cant black mail me
> beside that iam only one here in israel who actually have zaxcom , so there
> is no argues around
>
> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras RemoveThis @tomaras.com> wrote in message
> news:Odidna6iarsrH47YnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Eric Toline" <Audioetc RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:23194-451379BC-1444@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
> >
> > Re: Wireless camera link
> >
> > Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 9:55pm
> > (EDT-3) From: tomaras RemoveThis @tomaras.com (Charles Tomaras)
> >
> >
> > Out of curiosity, how much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
> > package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
> > standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and
> > the usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
> > redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most
> > part...anything additional to that is extra.<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > $150 is cheap
> >
> > Daily rental rates from a Florida rental house:
> >
> > 442 $65
> > pole $25
> > mic $50
> > radios $170 $85ea
> > wireless ifb $80
> >
> > Total $390
> >
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > Well Eric....one is not going to get daily rental house prices for a
> > package they are working for ENG. But the bottom line remains that one
> > does not GIVE away a link.
> >
> >
> > >> Stay informed about: Wireless camera link |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:34 am
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in my region - they pay for it or dont get it
and yes I work with zaxcom for the last 2 and half years , you don't have
anything better then that one
--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
"Opp" <justin.RemoveThis@oppmans.com> wrote in message
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> Is anyone able to charge extra for a wireless camera link in an ENG/EFP
> situation? Some of the camera people I work with say no, but if they
> want it I think they should pay for it. A Zaxcom stereo link is not
> cheap. Thoughts?????
> >> Stay informed about: Wireless camera link |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:27 am
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bottom line -you get what are you negotiat for
i have agood trick , i just say that not all gear is my and send people to
afriend to negitiate about equip , i tell him the bottom price so the
producers cant black mail me
beside that iam only one here in israel who actually have zaxcom , so there
is no argues around
"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras.RemoveThis@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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> "Eric Toline" <Audioetc.RemoveThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:23194-451379BC-1444@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
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> Re: Wireless camera link
>
> Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 9:55pm
> (EDT-3) From: tomaras.RemoveThis@tomaras.com (Charles Tomaras)
>
>
> Out of curiosity, how much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
> package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
> standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and
> the usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
> redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most
> part...anything additional to that is extra.<<<<<<<<<<
>
> $150 is cheap
>
> Daily rental rates from a Florida rental house:
>
> 442 $65
> pole $25
> mic $50
> radios $170 $85ea
> wireless ifb $80
>
> Total $390
>
>
> Eric
>
>
> Well Eric....one is not going to get daily rental house prices for a
> package they are working for ENG. But the bottom line remains that one
> does not GIVE away a link.
>
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> >> Stay informed about: Wireless camera link |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:59 am
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I just tell them how many wires I have for the money they want to pay.
We can use them
as a link or put them on people.
Philip Perkins
Oleg Kaizerman wrote:
> the paper (or the web pages) suffers everything :-)
> if you are working soundman that do about 150 days in a year and like
> to do about 15 % on your investment ( more if you dont borrow the
> money) , everithing above 0.4% a day is just a still :-)
> so dont know what are the others do or not for 20000 grand of equip in
> your bag you take more then 100 you did it
> so if it renting house , it might be double since they pay the rent
> and staffers cellery
> my 2 shekels
> and sorry every normal producer know the numbers
> the numbers are for people who buy new gear and keep it for 3 years and
> sell it for 50% of it value
> might be change a little from country to country
>
>
> Oleg Kaizerman wrote:
> > bottom line -you get what are you negotiat for
> > i have agood trick , i just say that not all gear is my and send people to
> > afriend to negitiate about equip , i tell him the bottom price so the
> > producers cant black mail me
> > beside that iam only one here in israel who actually have zaxcom , so there
> > is no argues around
> >
> > "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras DeleteThis @tomaras.com> wrote in message
> > news:Odidna6iarsrH47YnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > "Eric Toline" <Audioetc DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
> > > news:23194-451379BC-1444@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
> > >
> > > Re: Wireless camera link
> > >
> > > Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2006, 9:55pm
> > > (EDT-3) From: tomaras DeleteThis @tomaras.com (Charles Tomaras)
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, how much are you charging for a standard ENG/EFP sound
> > > package and what do you include with that. Personally I charge $150 for
> > > standard package which includes a 442, boom/mic, 2 RF mics, an IFB, and
> > > the usual assortment of cables and adaptors. I also stress that I carry
> > > redundant backup for all of that stuff as well. For the most
> > > part...anything additional to that is extra.<<<<<<<<<<
> > >
> > > $150 is cheap
> > >
> > > Daily rental rates from a Florida rental house:
> > >
> > > 442 $65
> > > pole $25
> > > mic $50
> > > radios $170 $85ea
> > > wireless ifb $80
> > >
> > > Total $390
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > > Well Eric....one is not going to get daily rental house prices for a
> > > package they are working for ENG. But the bottom line remains that one
> > > does not GIVE away a link.
> > >
> > >
> > > >> Stay informed about: Wireless camera link |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:33 pm
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I would think it might be a little dangerous to push the rental house
analogy too far. Most of the bigger rental houses like Coffey,
Location, Trew, etc. rent on a 4-day week and 3-week month. I don't
know how most of you treat gear rental, but I can count on one hand the
number of times in over 20 years of freelancing that I've been asked to
give a discount on multi-day, multi-week shoots. On the other hand, I
have a sliding rate depending the amount of regular work from a client
starting at $75 for a boom, mixer and camera cable to around $250 for a
basic film package including a recorder and a couple of wirelesses,
etc.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:18 pm
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