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Rowan

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:09 pm
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I have been researching an old Hollywood Hills estate and recently
confirmed that it was once owned by silent film writer/director John W.
"Jack" McDermott (1892-1946). I know he bought the property in 1937,
possibly after the Depression forced the previous owner into default.
In 1946, when Jack died at age 54, the property passed to E. J.
McDermott, who may have the younger brother, Edward. I am trying to
find some biographical info about him other than what shows up at IMDB.
Ultimately I would like to contact descendants if that should prove
possible...I don't know if Jack married and/or had children.

Can anyone provide or point me toward further infoprmation about this
gentleman? Googling him certainly turns up an intriguiung anecdote
(though I would like to verify it):

"Jack McDermott was a Hollywood film writer and director during
the 1920s and 1930s. McDermott is described as one the "biggest
jokester in Hollywood film history".
"One of McDermott's favorite gags was to take a guest for a ride in
his Model T Ford. He would drive recklessly through the mountains, and
when his passenger complained he would yank the steering wheel from its
column and throw it out the window -- the car was actually steered by
specially-installed foot controls.
"It is also said that the McDermott home was known for wild parties.
The house featured secret tunnels and sliding panels, and one very
special room where everything was upside down. Rugs and furniture were
fastened to the ceiling, and drapes, pictures, and even the chandelier
hung 'upwards'. McDermott deposited inebriated party-goers there and
would watch through peepholes as they came came to in the disorienting
chamber."

I might know where the scant remains of that house are, but I need to
know more about Mr. McDermott to be sure.

Thanks.

Rowan

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:55 pm
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Rowan wrote:
> I have been researching an old Hollywood Hills estate and recently
> confirmed that it was once owned by silent film writer/director John W.
> "Jack" McDermott (1892-1946). I know he bought the property in 1937,
> possibly after the Depression forced the previous owner into default.
> In 1946, when Jack died at age 54, the property passed to E. J.
> McDermott, who may have the younger brother, Edward. I am trying to
> find some biographical info about him other than what shows up at IMDB.
> Ultimately I would like to contact descendants if that should prove
> possible...I don't know if Jack married and/or had children.
>
> Can anyone provide or point me toward further infoprmation about this
> gentleman? Googling him certainly turns up an intriguiung anecdote
> (though I would like to verify it):
>
> "It is also said that the McDermott home was known for wild parties.
> The house featured secret tunnels and sliding panels, and one very
> special room where everything was upside down. Rugs and furniture were
> fastened to the ceiling, and drapes, pictures, and even the chandelier
> hung 'upwards'. McDermott deposited inebriated party-goers there and
> would watch through peepholes as they came came to in the disorienting
> chamber."
>
> I might know where the scant remains of that house are, but I need to
> know more about Mr. McDermott to be sure.


Here's a taste of "The Strangest House in Hollywood," from
PICTURE-PLAY (July 1927):


* * * * * * * * * * *


John McDermott calls it his "crazy house." A low, rambling
structure, strung out along the face of a cliff high above Cahuenga
Pass in Beverly Hills, it greets the eye as a thing part Egyptian, part
Turkish, part Navajo, and with such touches of modern architecture as
may be found anywhere "east of the water tower."

There are angles reminiscent of igloos constructed during the Eskimo
renaissance, and others suggesting medieval castles with moats and
drawbridges. There isn't another house like it in Hollywood, nor, in
fact, in the entire world.

It is made of studio props!

John McDermott is a scenario writer for Famous Players-Lasky-- just
a man trying to get along on a salary of something like two thousand
dollars a week. Three or four years ago he found himself in need of
physical training, but didn't want to waste his time and energy in a
gym.

So he decided to build a home with his own hands, the like of which
no one ever had seen. It would dazzle with originality, with plaster
gods, sliding panels, underground passageways, good books, and mystery.

He had seen motion-picture sets of exquisite design, used an hour or
two, then discarded when the picture was finished. He had seen these
artistic creations lie for weeks and months disintegrating in the sun
and rain, when, if they had been salvaged, they would have lasted for
years. This gave him the idea for his hillside home, and he began
collecting.

The walls of John McDermott's house were made from composition board
discarded from sets at the Universal studio.

The girders were salvaged from the enormous palace built for THE
THIEF OF BAGDAD.

Some of the roofing came from THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA.

The tip of the smallest tower was cut from the broken propeller of
an airplane wrecked during the making of Buster Keaton's THE NAVIGATOR.

The tombstones built into the wall had been made for THE HUNCHBACK
OF NOTRE DAME.

Some grinning skulls of cement were found on the old Metro lot when
that historic spot was abandoned.

A huge, slant-eyed goddess, modeled in plaster, was salvaged from a
set of Nazimova's SALOME.

A table McDermott placed in his living room had originally been
built for ROBIN HOOD.

The great oaken door was taken from Norma Talmadge's THE SONG OF
LOVE.

A wooden pulley above a well-- in the living room of the house--
came from Mary Pickford's TESS OF THE STORM COUNTRY. A fence was
plucked from the scraps of Rudolph Valentino's THE EAGLE. And three
small cannons on the parapet had originally been made for THE SEA HAWK.


* * * * * * * * * * *


The article, which goes on from there, includes interesting photos
of the interior and exterior of the house. It was definitely a
weird-looking place, but fabulous, with minarets and cannons on the
roof!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:54 am
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In article ,
Rowan wrote:

> In 1946, when Jack died at age 54, the property passed to E. J.
> McDermott, who may have the younger brother, Edward.

I've just looked for these McDermotts in census records. Some of these
words were hard to read, so don't hold me to every date, etc.

In the 1900 census the family was still in Wyoming:

Laramie, Albany county, Wyoming

McDermott
John, born SEP 1859 in Ireland. He is a hotel keeper
Emma, born SEP 1872 in Canada
John, born SEP 1892 in Wyoming, son
Edward, born JAN 1986 in Wyoming, son
Anna, born MAR 1900 in Wyoming, daughter


I can't seem to find John W./Jack in Los Angeles, but his brother
Edward does so up:

1920 Census, Los Angeles, CA

McDermott
Edward M. age 24, b. Wyoming. He is a film editor
Constance L., age 23, b. OH. Wife (an online source says her maiden
name is Loeser)
Edward J. age is hard to read, it is something and 7 months. He was
born in California. An online source says he was born in October 1917.

So, the important thing is that Edward J. McDermott was a nephew of
John W./Jack. Edward J. could still be alive.


In 1930, Edward M. seems to be divorced, living alone at 1833 1/2
Argyle St. Someone put online that he died 19 OCT 1931. He was still
listed as a film editor in the 1930 census.

Hope this helps, John W./Jack doesn't seem to show up much.

Rick
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:24 pm
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Yes, this does help. Edward being listed as a film editor in 1920, born
in Wyoming, with a birth year that matches Jack's brother as seen in
1900 is good to know. Edward being listed as Edward M. is also helpful.

Maybe the E.J. who received the property in 1947 was Edward M.'s son
Edward J., but Jack could also have had a son with those initials.
Edward was certainly a family name - the 1900 census says the
grandfather was Edward. But I have turned up no evidence of John/Jack
having children.

Can I ask which service you used? I have used Ancestry.com and found
some of this info but not all.

Rowan

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> McDermott
> John, born SEP 1859 in Ireland. He is a hotel keeper
> Emma, born SEP 1872 in Canada
> John, born SEP 1892 in Wyoming, son
> Edward, born JAN 1986 in Wyoming, son
> Anna, born MAR 1900 in Wyoming, daughter
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:58 pm
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More info on Edward M. McDermott, film editor:

WWI Draft Card information, June 5, 1917

Edward Michael McDermott, age 21
1235 Elmoline (?hard to read) St., Los Angeles, CA
born January 16, 1896
Natural Born
Born in Green River, Wyoming, U.S.A.
He is a "Philm" Editor for the William Fox Corp., Los Angeles
He has a wife and child.
He signed his name: Edw. M. McDermott

He is of "medium" height and slender. Eyes are light blue and hair is
"light." Not bald.

/////
That's all, I'll look some more for his brother John.

Rick
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:21 pm
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In article , rowan
wrote:

> I tried posting these earlier and they never showed up on my server. One
> from 1950s, two from 2004. Here goes again.
>
> The swimming pool with its wacky walls, wishing well, telescope,
> columns, and colorful mish-mash of tiles is all I have photos of. I
> would love to tie it to that house described in the 1927 article.

They didn't show up here either. That is because this is not a
"binaries" newsgroup. So all photos/programs/sound files, etc. are
filtered out.

You will need to either post them to a binaries group and tell us about
it in a text-only message; or post them on a web site, etc.

Rick
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:23 am
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The L.A. Times reported on 2/1/1947:

"The palatial, minaret-studded home of the late Jack McDermott, film writer,
at 3041 Vale Vista Trail, last night was swept by a fire of undetermined
origin.

The blaze was discovered late yesterday by Jacques Jaccard, veteran film
director and friend of McDermott who had lived in the structure since the
writer's death last July.

The residence, located in the hills off Mulholland Nighway, was particularly
noticeable because of the many golden-tipped minarets which surrounded the
golden mosque-like dome of the house itself."

From the 9/7/1949 LA Times, a report of the divorce action of actress Joyce
Brainard, 21, against her husband Carl Brainard.

"On his 25th birthday he came into quite a bit of money," she testified,
questioned by her attorney, Robert S. Butts. "We wer expecting a baby and
living in a garage--but he squandered all the moey on special-built cars and
cameras and things."

When they moved from the garage, it was to a "half-burned castle in a
deserted spot," she said. The castle, built by the late Jack McDermott,
film writer, from studio lot props, was habitable only in one section after
the fire, she related."

So looks like the house is long gone.

Frederica
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:07 pm
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Well isn't this an interesting couple of discoveries. We thought the house
was gone by 1948 and "someone" told us they had "heard a rumor",
"somewhere", that it had burned down "about that time". All of that, of
course meant nothing without this corroboration.

May I ask about the nature of your LA Times archives access? Is there some
way to access the system that I have overlooked? These articles are exactly
what I would have hoped the LA Times research team might find when I
finally got around to contacting them. Since recently pegging McDermott to
the site I have been trying to figure out exactly what questions wer worth
paying the Times' archivists to reseearch. I don't mind at all being beaten
to the punch!

Some of the details don't easily fit into the chronology I have been
developing, but that's the fun of it: every answer leads to two new
questions. For example the Vale Vista address does not match the 1940 phone
book address on Goodview, but McD owned lots from Goodview at the top of
the hill to Vale Vista at the bottom. I guess the address could go either
way. Also there is much confusion about Carl vs. Karl Brainard, so this
divorce notice is more grist for the mill.

And of course Jaques Jaccard now looms into view as a "person of interest".
Now you see why this project intrigues me, all the interesting twist,
turns, and personalities that are involved. And I haven't even figure out
how Harold Lloyd got involved, but he very surely was by 1950 or '51. Did
he know the McDermott Hollywood clan? Brainard? Or just the friend of a
friend?

Rowan

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> The L.A. Times reported on 2/1/1947:
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:24 pm
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Carl R. Brainard, the Prop man, was my great uncle, so I've done a little research. He was born in 1911 so turned 25 in 1936 - not 1948/49. I don't have a date for when he married my great aunt, but considering she had 11 great grandchildren when she died in 2004, it would have had to have been more than 60 years before, and as he was not a bigamist, I'm afraid there is no connection... Well, his father was Karl M Brainard, so the Carl M. that owned the house could have been closely related, but I'll leave you to find that out.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:50 pm
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Hello,

My grandmother lived next door to him. Her father (my great grandfather) were friends.

My grandmother has lots of story's about Jack and she believes that he wrote about her family.

Please let me know if you would like me to find out any information, as I am also doing research to find out more, as well.

Thanks
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