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Andy Turrett

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(Msg. 46) Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:30 pm
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I also would like to know once and for all what the status is with the
new off the shelf Stereoline TXs regarding level drift.
Are the new TXs perfectly stable? Obviously there was a problem with
the
older units but I am not convinced that there is not a 2 to 3 dB level
drift with
the newer TXs. I have an older TX that has upgraded photo cells and I
operate it
at 50mW. Shouldn't my TX perform like a new one? I am continually
experiencing a 2 to 3 dB drift.

There is something strange going on. There are a lot of older units
out there but
for some reason not every owner is complaining about the level problem.

Is that because there is not a problem with all of the older TXs or is
it that some
owners are just not noticing the problem or are there environmental
reasons why
some have level drift and others don't? Is the level drift problem a
symptom of
photo cell technology that we just have to accept at this point. I
might be willing
to accept that but I would like to be told that. The newer photo cells
seem to be
more stable but not 100 percent. At least my TX with the upgraded
photo cells
are much better but not 100 percent stable. Maybe the problem is with
the quality
control of the manufacturing of the photo cells. Possibly some cells
are good and
some are bad. Anybody have any answers? I would love not to have to
keep
adjusting the camera levels or should I say my cameraman would love not
having
to take the camera off his shoulder and change the levels so they are
reading zero
when sending tone. It is especially a pain when the camera has it's
rain jacket on
as it did in the recent Blizzard here in the Northeast.

All of that said I still when run and gunning prefer to use the
Stereoline link over going hardwired even with the level drift. There
are just too many advantages.

Andy

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Marty

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:19 pm
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If you are recording on a camera w/analog audio tracks (still a lot of
Beta SP's out there), you have confidence playback all the time. On a
camera with digital tracks, it is very unlikely there will be any tape
drift or variance. Either it will be there (1's) or it wont (0's). With
digital tracks, I do a confidence playback at the start of the day,
during breaks if possible, and at the end of the day, But I'd check
meters as regularly as possible.


John Blankenship wrote:
> Marty wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I mentioned that for analog tape which can vary from one tape to the
>> next. Monitoring the confidence playback is very important.
>>
>> But for a digital recording, minor variances in the tape formula,
>> ferrous particle density, bias level, etc., will not affect the
>> digital audio recording or playback (though it's always a good idea to
>> record, stop, and play back to verify proper functioning before you
>> start a shoot).
>>
>> Honestly!
>> Marty
>
>
>
> I guess my experiences are different from yours. On a large portion of
> the work I do it would slow down the process to demand a confidence
> playback check at each tape change. More likely, at tape changes, it's
> a rush to get the camera rolling again, therefore, my level checks are
> normally confined to confirming that the meters haven't drifted --
> which, as we both know, has nothing to do with tape formulation -- it
> only monitors the level sent to tape. Hence, my post. I certainly
> meant no offense whatsoever in my, "Just tryin' to keep you honest,
> here" comment.
>
> It's cool that you often have more flexible shoots where there is time
> for numerous confirmation checks, etc. I don't see too many of those.
>
> John Blankenship, C.A.S.
> Indianapolis
> (email: my initials at mw daht net)
>
> 
>

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Marty

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:16 am
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Andy Turrett wrote:
> If you have ever listen to confidence monitoring (PB mode) on any
> analog Beta camera you will know how hard it is to distinguish audio
> quality over the timecode and motor bleed. All you can say for sure it
> that there is some audio being recorded. If there is any distortion
> or hum or buzz it is almost impossible to hear that when in confidence
> mode. For that reason I usually listen in the EE mode. At least if
> there are any buzzes, ground problems or distortion I will be able to
> hear that clearly. I've never have been burnt while going hard wired
> with no audio getting recorded to tape but I have been burnt with not
> being able to hear a buzz or hum when in the PB confidence mode. So
> you are taking a risk in either mode but I choose the EE mode.
>

That's true, but some cameras are better than others and I've learned to
recognize time code bleed from other noises. You are hearing EE when the
tape is not rolling, and that's when I listen for cable problems such as
hum, buzz, shield crackle, etc. Listening to PB tells me for sure when
the tape is rolling, and that the audio is sticking to it.

Marty
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Noah Timan

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(Msg. 49) Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:27 am
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Andy Turrett wrote:
> All of that said I still when run and gunning prefer to use the
> Stereoline link over going hardwired even with the level drift. There
> are just too many advantages.

I think the answer that would be most helpful to us is not how the
stereoline link compares to a hardwire in terms of practicality, but
how it compares to, say, two mono links (Lectro, Audio, etc). Does the
hassle of the level drift outweigh the weight/size advantage, or is it
worth it?

Sorry for the delayed response -- just noticed this thread for the
first time now.

nvt
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Andy Turrett

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(Msg. 50) Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:15 am
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Hi Noah,

I and most of my cameramen much prefer the stereoline over two mono
systems. For us the advantage of light weight and small size outweigh
the hassle of a 2 to 4 dB drift. I could not put up with the 6dB to
12dB drift that I originally had before getting my TX upgraded with the
newer photocells. Now it is only a 2 to 4 dB drift which is tolerable.
All the cameramen I've used the Receiver with love the fact that it is
one light weight box and I of course love the small light weight TX. I
usually like to run my levels hot but with the Stereoline link I have
to be a lot more conservative since I never know for sure where the
levels are on the camera because of the drift. The level drift can
happen in both directions depending if the TX is warming up or cooling
down which is determined by the indoor and outdoor temperatures and
whether I am going from inside to outside or visa versa. Eventually the
TX temperature stabilizes and the level does too. But until the TX
stabilizes I am constantly checking which is a drag. I am willing to
put up with it until something more stable comes along. Which I hope
is soon.

Andy


Noah Timan wrote:
> Andy Turrett wrote:
> > All of that said I still when run and gunning prefer to use the
> > Stereoline link over going hardwired even with the level drift. There
> > are just too many advantages.
>
> I think the answer that would be most helpful to us is not how the
> stereoline link compares to a hardwire in terms of practicality, but
> how it compares to, say, two mono links (Lectro, Audio, etc). Does the
> hassle of the level drift outweigh the weight/size advantage, or is it
> worth it?
>
> Sorry for the delayed response -- just noticed this thread for the
> first time now.
>
> nvt
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Andy Turrett

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(Msg. 51) Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:15 am
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Hi Noah,

I and most of my cameramen much prefer the stereoline over two mono
systems. For us the advantage of light weight and small size outweigh
the hassle of a 2 to 4 dB drift. I could not put up with the 6dB to
12dB drift that I originally had before getting my TX upgraded with the
newer photocells. Now it is only a 2 to 4 dB drift which is tolerable.
All the cameramen I've used the Receiver with love the fact that it is
one light weight box and I of course love the small light weight TX. I
usually like to run my levels hot but with the Stereoline link I have
to be a lot more conservative since I never know for sure where the
levels are on the camera because of the drift. The level drift can
happen in both directions depending if the TX is warming up or cooling
down which is determined by the indoor and outdoor temperatures and
whether I am going from inside to outside or visa versa. Eventually the
TX temperature stabilizes and the level does too. But until the TX
stabilizes I am constantly checking which is a drag. I am willing to
put up with it until something more stable comes along. Which I hope
is soon.

Andy


Noah Timan wrote:
> Andy Turrett wrote:
> > All of that said I still when run and gunning prefer to use the
> > Stereoline link over going hardwired even with the level drift. There
> > are just too many advantages.
>
> I think the answer that would be most helpful to us is not how the
> stereoline link compares to a hardwire in terms of practicality, but
> how it compares to, say, two mono links (Lectro, Audio, etc). Does the
> hassle of the level drift outweigh the weight/size advantage, or is it
> worth it?
>
> Sorry for the delayed response -- just noticed this thread for the
> first time now.
>
> nvt
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Andy Turrett

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(Msg. 52) Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:15 am
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Hi Noah,

I and most of my cameramen much prefer the stereoline over two mono
systems. For us the advantage of light weight and small size outweigh
the hassle of a 2 to 4 dB drift. I could not put up with the 6dB to
12dB drift that I originally had before getting my TX upgraded with the
newer photocells. Now it is only a 2 to 4 dB drift which is tolerable.
All the cameramen I've used the Receiver with love the fact that it is
one light weight box and I of course love the small light weight TX. I
usually like to run my levels hot but with the Stereoline link I have
to be a lot more conservative since I never know for sure where the
levels are on the camera because of the drift. The level drift can
happen in both directions depending if the TX is warming up or cooling
down which is determined by the indoor and outdoor temperatures and
whether I am going from inside to outside or visa versa. Eventually the
TX temperature stabilizes and the level does too. But until the TX
stabilizes I am constantly checking which is a drag. I am willing to
put up with it until something more stable comes along. Which I hope
is soon.

Andy


Noah Timan wrote:
> Andy Turrett wrote:
> > All of that said I still when run and gunning prefer to use the
> > Stereoline link over going hardwired even with the level drift. There
> > are just too many advantages.
>
> I think the answer that would be most helpful to us is not how the
> stereoline link compares to a hardwire in terms of practicality, but
> how it compares to, say, two mono links (Lectro, Audio, etc). Does the
> hassle of the level drift outweigh the weight/size advantage, or is it
> worth it?
>
> Sorry for the delayed response -- just noticed this thread for the
> first time now.
>
> nvt
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