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On Oct 29, 2:51 pm, schu....RemoveThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> ...

Noted.
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On Oct 29, 2:51 pm, schu... RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> As I said, completely uneducable. Something that I simultaneously
> baffling and saddening.

Sorry, I can't leave it alone with a simple,'noted',
because what you're trying to 'educate' me with is
a need to ignore injustice. When someone responds
to me unfairly or otherwise unjustly, or when someone
unjustly adds his unjust insults to the insults that
someone else has bestowed upon me, and
insults me more when I offer defense after defense,
and when others pile on with their insults, when all
I'm trying to do is defend myself, I'm not going to
just roll over and pretend that you and the others are
right. You're not right. I was and am the victim, and
I don't like being the victim. I began with good will
in all of these threads, and my good will was violated
unfairness and injustice. I can't change you, and I'm
aware of the futility of trying to shame you, but you're
not going to shut me up by insulting me more and
more. The only way to shut me up is to reform your
bad behavior, or at least stop aiming it at me.
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On Oct 29, 3:18 pm, Calvin wrote:
> On Oct 29, 2:51 pm, schu... RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>
> > As I said, completely uneducable. Something that I simultaneously
> > baffling and saddening.
>
> Sorry, I can't leave it alone with a simple,'noted',
> because what you're trying to 'educate' me with is
> a need to ignore injustice. When someone responds
> to me unfairly or otherwise unjustly, or when someone
> unjustly adds his unjust insults to the insults that
> someone else has bestowed upon me, and
> insults me more when I offer defense after defense,
> and when others pile on with their insults, when all
> I'm trying to do is defend myself, I'm not going to
> just roll over and pretend that you and the others are
> right. You're not right. I was and am the victim, and
> I don't like being the victim. I began with good will
> in all of these threads, and my good will was violated
> unfairness and injustice. I can't change you, and I'm
> aware of the futility of trying to shame you, but you're
> not going to shut me up by insulting me more and
> more. The only way to shut me up is to reform your
> bad behavior, or at least stop aiming it at me.

The prolific and reflective Emerson wrote essays on many topics,
including manners, politics, love, heroism, and even intellect. But,
afaik, he never wrote one on being right. Imo that's because it's a
commodity never in short supply.

Further (and with no comment on whether any is present here), I'd
suggest that it's, in fact, a necessary survival skill to "ignore
injustice" ...perhaps especially on Usenet. And, I'm surprised anew
every time you or anyone demands that your foe of the moment be
publicly tried by the n.g. at large. Weren't you an engineer? Can't
you see where that'd lead?

Likewise, there are negligibly few circumstances where a refusal to
shut up will be received favorably by anyone within earshot ...again,
especially on Usenet. Instead, assemble your wisdom (necessary
epithets included) into as attractive and persuasive a post as you
can ... and cast your pearls upon the waters. Then leave... settling
for the chance there may be pearl-divers among the swine...

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On Oct 29, 4:27 pm, moviePig wrote:
> The prolific and reflective Emerson wrote essays on many topics,
> including manners, politics, love, heroism, and even intellect. But,
> afaik, he never wrote one on being right. Imo that's because it's a
> commodity never in short supply.
>
> Further (and with no comment on whether any is present here), I'd
> suggest that it's, in fact, a necessary survival skill to "ignore
> injustice" ...perhaps especially on Usenet. And, I'm surprised anew
> every time you or anyone demands that your foe of the moment be
> publicly tried by the n.g. at large. Weren't you an engineer? Can't
> you see where that'd lead?
>
> Likewise, there are negligibly few circumstances where a refusal to
> shut up will be received favorably by anyone within earshot ...again,
> especially on Usenet. Instead, assemble your wisdom (necessary
> epithets included) into as attractive and persuasive a post as you
> can ... and cast your pearls upon the waters. Then leave... settling
> for the chance there may be pearl-divers among the swine...

All of that is appropriate, even beautiful, advice. But just once
in all of these years, and thousands of posts, I would like to
see you give corrective advice to the one who inflicts injustice,
instead of the one who is afflicted by the injustice. Just once,
and then your wise advice might seem even wiser. Nevertheless,
the education that you offer seems wise, and that offered by
Mr. Schultz seems not.
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On Oct 29, 5:31 pm, trotsky wrote:
> Calvin wrote:
> > On Oct 29, 4:27 pm, moviePig wrote:
> >> The prolific and reflective Emerson wrote essays on many topics,
> >> including manners, politics, love, heroism, and even intellect. But,
> >> afaik, he never wrote one on being right. Imo that's because it's a
> >> commodity never in short supply.
>
> >> Further (and with no comment on whether any is present here), I'd
> >> suggest that it's, in fact, a necessary survival skill to "ignore
> >> injustice" ...perhaps especially on Usenet. And, I'm surprised anew
> >> every time you or anyone demands that your foe of the moment be
> >> publicly tried by the n.g. at large. Weren't you an engineer? Can't
> >> you see where that'd lead?
>
> >> Likewise, there are negligibly few circumstances where a refusal to
> >> shut up will be received favorably by anyone within earshot ...again,
> >> especially on Usenet. Instead, assemble your wisdom (necessary
> >> epithets included) into as attractive and persuasive a post as you
> >> can ... and cast your pearls upon the waters. Then leave... settling
> >> for the chance there may be pearl-divers among the swine...
>
> > All of that is appropriate, even beautiful, advice. But just once
> > in all of these years, and thousands of posts, I would like to
> > see you give corrective advice to the one who inflicts injustice,
> > instead of the one who is afflicted by the injustice. Just once,
> > and then your wise advice might seem even wiser. Nevertheless,
> > the education that you offer seems wise, and that offered by
> > Mr. Schultz seems not.
>
> MP, can you kindly explain to Calvin that injustice is in the eye of the
> beholder? He is still making me sick.

No... but I'll share with you that "fair" was a word I diligently
expunged from my kids' vocabulary of expectations... and did so with
no trace of cynicism, btw, as I think that it's one of humanity's more
poisonous concepts...

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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin wrote:

: . . . What you haven't shown, though, is why someone with your
: obvious intelligence gets his kicks or ego-gratification by
: trying to humiliate those whom he considers to be stupid. I
: don't use whatever Intelligence I have to try to humiliate
: those whom I might consider less intelligent, so when I'm
: confronted with people like you and 'No Man' and others
: who do it, not only am I humiliated, as intended, but I'm
: dismayed that Usenet presents this unnecessary hazard.

I was unsure whether or not I should reply to the screed that I have
quoted in part, given that Calvin makes my case for me much more
eloquently than I could have hoped to. I will say this much, though (not
that I expect you to understand it): while paranoia is fun -- and you
should see me run down the list of people who I know are out to get me --
a paranoid response is not always one that corresponds to reality. It
is not that I get my kicks out of trying to humiliate you -- I don't. I
do not sit around all day thinking up jokes for you not to get. It
is true that I sometimes find you to be one of the most unintentionally
humorous posters to ramp-f. But if there is any consistent attitude that
I have toward you, it must be puzzlement. Despite repeated attempts to
explain this to you, you still don't get it. The only person around here
who routinely humiliates you is you. If someone makes a joke that you
don't get or misinterpret, the best thing that you can do is either to
ignore the poster who points out your error, or to acknowledge the error
in no more than one sentence *and then to shut up*.

In my time as an educator, I have been forced by circumstance to come to
the unfortunate conclusion that there really are people out there who are
more or less completely uneducable. You can imagine how disappointing
such a conclusion would be to one such as me who enjoys learning for its
own sake. So when I come upon one of those unfortunates, I feel that I
have to do some reality testing in the hope against hope that I might
be wrong, and that this person is not among those who cannot learn. I
keep saying to myself, if a planarian can learn, surely a human being can.
And, in your case, I appear to be wrong most of the time.

I am not going to dumb down my posts just because Calvin does not understand
them. I am not going to stop making allusions just because Calvin was
poorly education. When I make a joke or tongue-in-cheek comment, I do so
because it amuses me, and I don't actually worry too much about whether or
not it will amuse anyone else, or indeed, if anyone else will even know
what I am talking about. Get used to it -- it's not about you. But if I
find it puzzling, or interesting, or amusing, that having gotten caught,
rather than admitting the mistake and moving on, you insist on writing
frenzied screeds about how unfair it is that I am picking on you, well,
that's my affair, not yours.

Especially since you could just put me in your kill file and be done with
it. Believe me, if you were to do so, I would not care; I might not even
notice. And then, as far as you were concerned, I would not be picking on
you any more, because I would have effectively ceased to exist.


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you're the smartest person in the room--"
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On Oct 29, 5:40 pm, moviePig wrote:
> ... "fair" was a word I diligently
> expunged from my kids' vocabulary of expectations... and did so with
> no trace of cynicism, btw, as I think that it's one of humanity's more
> poisonous concepts...

'Fair' is a poisonous concept?
Even one of the more poisonous concepts?
(pardon me while I jack my jaw back up)

Almost I don't want to know the explanation for this,
at least not yet.

There is a certain hypnotic quality about such an
assertion. If only I could pierce into its mystery,
a new and enlightened existence might result;
all of my ignorance might be dispelled in a flash.
Perhaps this has the same function as a Zen koan.

Let me sleep on it. Tomorrow I may seek an explanation.
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On Oct 29, 7:25 pm, David Oberman wrote:
> Calvin is the Saint Sebastian of the group. He is the target of all
> the archers with all their methods. He is sometimes treated shabbily,
> & sometimes he is fairly whupped up the side of his head. (Relax, Cal,
> relax. It's levity!)
>
> If Stephen Cooke (swac) were here, he'd put it all into sensible
> perspective.

Believe it or not, I'm looking for a way out of this. I thought I
had it, by replying 'noted' to Shultz's long explanatory
message. In the future I was going to obey his advice. But
the future came before the present ended, because 'No Man'
had to jump in and say to leave them alone. If only he had
just let me leave them alone ...

One can't announce one's plans. That takes the force out
of them, but maybe there are new plans for a peaceful
future (or maybe not).
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"moviePig" wrote in message


> No... but I'll share with you that "fair" was a word I diligently
> expunged from my kids' vocabulary of expectations... and did so with
> no trace of cynicism, btw, as I think that it's one of humanity's more
> poisonous concepts...

I don't try to expunge "fair" from my daughter's vocabulary. I try to make
her understand what fairness is. Fairness, in my estimation, is not what we
seek to have done to us. It's what we seek to do to others.

Likewise, I believe forgiveness is not something we do for others. I
believe it's something we do for ourselves.

These definitions work absolute wonders in my life, when I remember to apply
them.

Most people would rather be right than happy.

In the words Mary Chase put into the mouth of the inestimable Elwood P.
Dowd, "Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, 'In this world,
Elwood, you must be' - she always called me Elwood - 'In this world, Elwood,
you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart. I
recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

Jim Beaver
(who has not always been pleasant, fair, or forgiving, but who has quite
frequently been happy)
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Calvin wrote:
> On Oct 29, 4:27 pm, moviePig wrote:
>> The prolific and reflective Emerson wrote essays on many topics,
>> including manners, politics, love, heroism, and even intellect. But,
>> afaik, he never wrote one on being right. Imo that's because it's a
>> commodity never in short supply.
>>
>> Further (and with no comment on whether any is present here), I'd
>> suggest that it's, in fact, a necessary survival skill to "ignore
>> injustice" ...perhaps especially on Usenet. And, I'm surprised anew
>> every time you or anyone demands that your foe of the moment be
>> publicly tried by the n.g. at large. Weren't you an engineer? Can't
>> you see where that'd lead?
>>
>> Likewise, there are negligibly few circumstances where a refusal to
>> shut up will be received favorably by anyone within earshot ...again,
>> especially on Usenet. Instead, assemble your wisdom (necessary
>> epithets included) into as attractive and persuasive a post as you
>> can ... and cast your pearls upon the waters. Then leave... settling
>> for the chance there may be pearl-divers among the swine...
>
> All of that is appropriate, even beautiful, advice. But just once
> in all of these years, and thousands of posts, I would like to
> see you give corrective advice to the one who inflicts injustice,
> instead of the one who is afflicted by the injustice. Just once,
> and then your wise advice might seem even wiser. Nevertheless,
> the education that you offer seems wise, and that offered by
> Mr. Schultz seems not.


MP, can you kindly explain to Calvin that injustice is in the eye of the
beholder? He is still making me sick.
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moviePig wrote:
> On Oct 29, 5:31 pm, trotsky wrote:
>> Calvin wrote:
>>> On Oct 29, 4:27 pm, moviePig wrote:
>>>> The prolific and reflective Emerson wrote essays on many topics,
>>>> including manners, politics, love, heroism, and even intellect. But,
>>>> afaik, he never wrote one on being right. Imo that's because it's a
>>>> commodity never in short supply.
>>>> Further (and with no comment on whether any is present here), I'd
>>>> suggest that it's, in fact, a necessary survival skill to "ignore
>>>> injustice" ...perhaps especially on Usenet. And, I'm surprised anew
>>>> every time you or anyone demands that your foe of the moment be
>>>> publicly tried by the n.g. at large. Weren't you an engineer? Can't
>>>> you see where that'd lead?
>>>> Likewise, there are negligibly few circumstances where a refusal to
>>>> shut up will be received favorably by anyone within earshot ...again,
>>>> especially on Usenet. Instead, assemble your wisdom (necessary
>>>> epithets included) into as attractive and persuasive a post as you
>>>> can ... and cast your pearls upon the waters. Then leave... settling
>>>> for the chance there may be pearl-divers among the swine...
>>> All of that is appropriate, even beautiful, advice. But just once
>>> in all of these years, and thousands of posts, I would like to
>>> see you give corrective advice to the one who inflicts injustice,
>>> instead of the one who is afflicted by the injustice. Just once,
>>> and then your wise advice might seem even wiser. Nevertheless,
>>> the education that you offer seems wise, and that offered by
>>> Mr. Schultz seems not.
>> MP, can you kindly explain to Calvin that injustice is in the eye of the
>> beholder? He is still making me sick.
>
> No... but I'll share with you that "fair" was a word I diligently
> expunged from my kids' vocabulary of expectations... and did so with
> no trace of cynicism, btw, as I think that it's one of humanity's more
> poisonous concepts...


Well I don't understand that at all. Who among us would say that Calvin
has been treated unfairly, or that it's unreasonable to expect to be
treated fairly?
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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin wrote:

: All of that is appropriate, even beautiful, advice. But just once
: in all of these years, and thousands of posts, I would like to
: see you give corrective advice to the one who inflicts injustice,
: instead of the one who is afflicted by the injustice. Just once,
: and then your wise advice might seem even wiser. Nevertheless,
: the education that you offer seems wise, and that offered by
: Mr. Schultz seems not.

Interesting that your anger makes you unable to see that his advice and
my advice were in fact identical.

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In rec.arts.movies.past-films David Oberman wrote:

: Calvin is the Saint Sebastian of the group. He is the target of all
: the archers with all their methods. He is sometimes treated shabbily,
: & sometimes he is fairly whupped up the side of his head. (Relax, Cal,
: relax. It's levity!)

Interesting that you should choose Saint Sebastian as your model for Calvin.
(But whatever you do, don't tell Calvin about Derek Jarman.)

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