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"moviePig" <pwallace.RemoveThis@moviepig.com> wrote in message
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> No... but I'll share with you that "fair" was a word I diligently
> expunged from my kids' vocabulary of expectations... and did so with
> no trace of cynicism, btw, as I think that it's one of humanity's more
> poisonous concepts...

I don't try to expunge "fair" from my daughter's vocabulary. I try to make
her understand what fairness is. Fairness, in my estimation, is not what we
seek to have done to us. It's what we seek to do to others.

Likewise, I believe forgiveness is not something we do for others. I
believe it's something we do for ourselves.

These definitions work absolute wonders in my life, when I remember to apply
them.

Most people would rather be right than happy.

In the words Mary Chase put into the mouth of the inestimable Elwood P.
Dowd, "Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, 'In this world,
Elwood, you must be' - she always called me Elwood - 'In this world, Elwood,
you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart. I
recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

Jim Beaver
(who has not always been pleasant, fair, or forgiving, but who has quite
frequently been happy)
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Calvin wrote:
> On Oct 29, 4:27 pm, moviePig <pwall....RemoveThis@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> The prolific and reflective Emerson wrote essays on many topics,
>> including manners, politics, love, heroism, and even intellect. But,
>> afaik, he never wrote one on being right. Imo that's because it's a
>> commodity never in short supply.
>>
>> Further (and with no comment on whether any is present here), I'd
>> suggest that it's, in fact, a necessary survival skill to "ignore
>> injustice" ...perhaps especially on Usenet. And, I'm surprised anew
>> every time you or anyone demands that your foe of the moment be
>> publicly tried by the n.g. at large. Weren't you an engineer? Can't
>> you see where that'd lead?
>>
>> Likewise, there are negligibly few circumstances where a refusal to
>> shut up will be received favorably by anyone within earshot ...again,
>> especially on Usenet. Instead, assemble your wisdom (necessary
>> epithets included) into as attractive and persuasive a post as you
>> can ... and cast your pearls upon the waters. Then leave... settling
>> for the chance there may be pearl-divers among the swine...
>
> All of that is appropriate, even beautiful, advice. But just once
> in all of these years, and thousands of posts, I would like to
> see you give corrective advice to the one who inflicts injustice,
> instead of the one who is afflicted by the injustice. Just once,
> and then your wise advice might seem even wiser. Nevertheless,
> the education that you offer seems wise, and that offered by
> Mr. Schultz seems not.


MP, can you kindly explain to Calvin that injustice is in the eye of the
beholder? He is still making me sick.
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moviePig wrote:
> On Oct 29, 5:31 pm, trotsky <gmsi....DeleteThis@email.com> wrote:
>> Calvin wrote:
>>> On Oct 29, 4:27 pm, moviePig <pwall....DeleteThis@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>> The prolific and reflective Emerson wrote essays on many topics,
>>>> including manners, politics, love, heroism, and even intellect. But,
>>>> afaik, he never wrote one on being right. Imo that's because it's a
>>>> commodity never in short supply.
>>>> Further (and with no comment on whether any is present here), I'd
>>>> suggest that it's, in fact, a necessary survival skill to "ignore
>>>> injustice" ...perhaps especially on Usenet. And, I'm surprised anew
>>>> every time you or anyone demands that your foe of the moment be
>>>> publicly tried by the n.g. at large. Weren't you an engineer? Can't
>>>> you see where that'd lead?
>>>> Likewise, there are negligibly few circumstances where a refusal to
>>>> shut up will be received favorably by anyone within earshot ...again,
>>>> especially on Usenet. Instead, assemble your wisdom (necessary
>>>> epithets included) into as attractive and persuasive a post as you
>>>> can ... and cast your pearls upon the waters. Then leave... settling
>>>> for the chance there may be pearl-divers among the swine...
>>> All of that is appropriate, even beautiful, advice. But just once
>>> in all of these years, and thousands of posts, I would like to
>>> see you give corrective advice to the one who inflicts injustice,
>>> instead of the one who is afflicted by the injustice. Just once,
>>> and then your wise advice might seem even wiser. Nevertheless,
>>> the education that you offer seems wise, and that offered by
>>> Mr. Schultz seems not.
>> MP, can you kindly explain to Calvin that injustice is in the eye of the
>> beholder? He is still making me sick.
>
> No... but I'll share with you that "fair" was a word I diligently
> expunged from my kids' vocabulary of expectations... and did so with
> no trace of cynicism, btw, as I think that it's one of humanity's more
> poisonous concepts...


Well I don't understand that at all. Who among us would say that Calvin
has been treated unfairly, or that it's unreasonable to expect to be
treated fairly?
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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <crice5.TakeThisOut@windstream.net> wrote:

: All of that is appropriate, even beautiful, advice. But just once
: in all of these years, and thousands of posts, I would like to
: see you give corrective advice to the one who inflicts injustice,
: instead of the one who is afflicted by the injustice. Just once,
: and then your wise advice might seem even wiser. Nevertheless,
: the education that you offer seems wise, and that offered by
: Mr. Schultz seems not.

Interesting that your anger makes you unable to see that his advice and
my advice were in fact identical.

-----
Richard Schultz schultr.TakeThisOut@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter."
-- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_
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In rec.arts.movies.past-films David Oberman <doberman@etc.> wrote:

: Calvin is the Saint Sebastian of the group. He is the target of all
: the archers with all their methods. He is sometimes treated shabbily,
: & sometimes he is fairly whupped up the side of his head. (Relax, Cal,
: relax. It's levity!)

Interesting that you should choose Saint Sebastian as your model for Calvin.
(But whatever you do, don't tell Calvin about Derek Jarman.)

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Richard Schultz schultr.DeleteThis@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"I've lost my harmonica, Albert."
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Richard Schultz <schultr RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il> wrote:

> (6) There is no rule six

I think you've just proved his point.

Just because you don't _know_ what rule six is, doesn't mean there
isn't one.

I believe everything he said about you, though I didn't read most of it.
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:33:27 -0700, "Jim Beaver" <jumblejim DeleteThis @prodigy.spam>
wrote:

>I don't try to expunge "fair" from my daughter's vocabulary. I try to make
>her understand what fairness is. Fairness, in my estimation, is not what we
>seek to have done to us. It's what we seek to do to others.
>
>Likewise, I believe forgiveness is not something we do for others. I
>believe it's something we do for ourselves.
>
>These definitions work absolute wonders in my life, when I remember to apply
>them.
>
>Most people would rather be right than happy.
>
>In the words Mary Chase put into the mouth of the inestimable Elwood P.
>Dowd, "Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, 'In this world,
>Elwood, you must be' - she always called me Elwood - 'In this world, Elwood,
>you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart. I
>recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

One of the best sermons I've ever heard, and I've heard over a thousand ..
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Heynony wrote:
> Richard Schultz <schultr.TakeThisOut@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote:
>
>
>>(6) There is no rule six
>
>
> I think you've just proved his point.

Right, his real source is ever Monty Python.

> Just because you don't _know_ what rule six is, doesn't mean there
> isn't one.

If I, for instance, were to type any taxonomy in any treatise on any
topic, I would be empowered to list the rules as well as their absence.

> I believe everything he said about you, though I didn't read most of it.

Are you religious? This is like a traditional sacrament.



--
'... my name is Noman; I play third base for the Yankees.' - Odyssey;
Book IX
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On Oct 30, 10:59 am, Heynony <nos... DeleteThis @noway.com> wrote:
> No Man <woes... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If I, for instance, were to type any taxonomy in any treatise on any
> > topic, I would be empowered to list the rules as well as their absence
>
> Sounds to me like you don't know what rule six is either.

I know what it is. Unfortunately, the first rule about Rule 6
is .....

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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Heynony <nospam.RemoveThis@noway.com> wrote:
: Richard Schultz <schultr.RemoveThis@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote:
:
:> (6) There is no rule six
:
: I think you've just proved his point.
:
: Just because you don't _know_ what rule six is, doesn't mean there
: isn't one.

I think that you just proved mine.

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Richard Schultz schultr.RemoveThis@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time." -- The French Knight
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Oh, and Robert Mitchum started filming Otto Preminger's ROSEBUD (1975)
but either quit or was fired, depending whose story you believe, and
was replaced by Peter O'Toole. I doubt that Mitchum ever regretted it.
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On Oct 30, 1:11 pm, moviePig <pwall... RemoveThis @moviepig.com> wrote:
> ... If I know (or can confirm online) a better word or two,
> I'll expressly use them in a Usenet post. Furthermore, I'm pleased
> when others do likewise. (Short of grandiloquence, it make us all
> smarter, don'cha know...)

That eliminates Mr. Schultz as one of our edifiers.
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No Man <woesong.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If I, for instance, were to type any taxonomy in any treatise on any
> topic, I would be empowered to list the rules as well as their absence

Sounds to me like you don't know what rule six is either.
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