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"Richard Schultz" <schultr.TakeThisOut@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Jim Beaver <jumblejim.TakeThisOut@prodigy.spam> wrote:
>
> : In the words Mary Chase put into the mouth of the inestimable Elwood P.
> : Dowd, "Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, 'In this world,
> : Elwood, you must be' - she always called me Elwood - 'In this world,
> Elwood,
> : you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant.' Well, for years I was
> smart. I
> : recommend pleasant. You may quote me."
>
> What did Harvey have to say on the subject?

I'm not positive because in reading the script, I seem unable to make out
the words of Harvey's dialog, but as I recall it was something like "Go get
yours. I got mine." Harvey and Elwood were, apparently, not always on the
same page except in the script itself.

Jim Beaver
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Don "Red" Barry was set to star with Otto Kruger, Eric Blore and Percy
Helton in IN SADDLE, OUT SADDLE, SIDE SADDLE (1943), directed by James
Whale (who took over when H. Bruce Humberstone caught the flu) but his
draft number came up and he was replaced by Johnny Mack Brown after a
day of filming.
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On Oct 30, 2:45 pm, moviePig <pwall... DeleteThis @moviepig.com> wrote:
> ...
> Recap: Jim Beaver said that 'fairness' was better when given than
> when received... and went on to include 'forgiveness' as well. I
> rejoined that they indeed seem similar to me, in that (in my
> experience) both are largely imaginary. However, I also acknowledged
> that someone who (as Jim advises) seeks to *provide* those qualities,
> may not only be, in some higher sense, Good, but may also derive a few
> practical benefits as well... such as a generally more clearheaded and
> unburdened existence...

Just to provide sort of a baseline on the subject of fairness,
I think most of us are familiar with sporting events. The
athletes expect fairness from the referees, who profess to
be fair in their judgments.

Sports metaphors are commonly used in reference to life
situations, so there is this common basic understanding of
fairness among us. Of course there may be others.
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On Oct 30, 4:39 pm, schu....RemoveThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <cri....RemoveThis@windstream.net> wrote:
> :> (3) Instead of posting your angry and vicious responses (it was *you* who
> :> compared *me* to a Nazi, which comparison is quite simply slanderous;
> :
> : All I said was, "... not unlike those heel-clickers who wore
> : swastikas" and, as I told you before, I retracted that in the
> : exchange with 'smee' in the same thread.
>
> And as I told *you* before, you did not retract the statment. You said
> that it was unnecessary, which is not the same thing as admitting that
> it is untrue.

This is what I said, which is equivalent to a retraction,
since I said my behavior was 'reformed':
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It's true that I referred to Mr. Schultz
in Nazi terms, but that was quite unnecesary, merely tacked
onto what I had said about his harsh manner. I could have
stripped off those words then and there with no change to my
meaning, and as you can see I never resorted to their use
again. My behavior was instantly reformed from the moment
you injected Godwin's Law.
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> :> (4) Try to get it through your head that not every joke made in this
> :> newsfroup is made at your expense, nor is every allusion that goes over your
> :> head made to show that it went over your head.
> : I never said or thought or implied that.
> Yes you did, but let that pass.

No I didn't, whether you 'let it pass' or not.

> : It is the vicious way that
> : you and others react when one does not get a joke, or allusion,
> : or put-on, or sarcasm, that I have found to be extremely
> : humiliating and unfair. I also think it's awful when someone
> : else puts me down for such things and then you come running to
> : pile on. It was he who 'caught' me, not you, but you feel you
> : must join in the fun at my expense.
>
> The one who "caught" you for not getting my allusion to "No Man" was
> me when I posted that I had slapped my hand against my forehead in
> disbelief when you indicated that you had taken it seriously.

But in two other recent cases you behaved as I said. I didn't
say that you never caught me, I said that when others catch
me, you pile on.

> :> (5) Try to understand that other people have definitions of "fairness" that
> :> differ from yours, and do not feel it "unfair" to point out to someone who
> :> is behaving like a fool that he is behaving like a fool.
> :
> : That's not what I think is unfair.
>
> Let me guess -- what you think is unfair is that you get to behave in any
> way you want to, but if anyone should behave in a similar fashion, that is
> simply Not Allowed.

No, that's not it either.
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:08:02 -0700, David Oberman <doberman@etc.> wrote:

>>That eliminates Mr. Schultz as one of our edifiers.
>
>Richard has a sesquipedalian streak, there is no doubt.

[*dictionary*]

As do you ..
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On Oct 30, 6:30 pm, Bill Anderson <billanderson....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> George Peatty wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:44:13 -0400, Bill Anderson
> > <billanderson....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> I'd say the athletes expect accuracy more than fairness from a game's
> >> referees.
>
> > According to Bill Russell, who can be considered an authority on the
> > subject, what the athlete wants is consistency. And, Russell underscores
> > the point by noting, even if the ref is completely incompetent, if he
> > **always** misses the call, the players will accept him ..
>
> Coulda sworn I said something like that in my post. Must have been
> snipped accidentally.

(I'll try for something a little further afield then...) I'd expect
professional athletes take officiating 'fairness', i.e., lack of bias,
to be an effectively absolute given... if only because sporting events
where there's a shadow of a doubt are unpleasantly stressful even to
spectate. (This means you, Olympic judges...)

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On Oct 30, 4:28 pm, le... RemoveThis @my-deja.com wrote:
> Don "Red" Barry was set to star with Otto Kruger, Eric Blore and Percy
> Helton in IN SADDLE, OUT SADDLE, SIDE SADDLE (1943), directed by James
> Whale (who took over when H. Bruce Humberstone caught the flu) but his
> draft number came up and he was replaced by Johnny Mack Brown after a
> day of filming.

I think Mr. Schultz missed that whole thread. A pity, for him.
He would have loved it.
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Calvin wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2:45 pm, moviePig <pwall... RemoveThis @moviepig.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> Recap: Jim Beaver said that 'fairness' was better when given than
>> when received... and went on to include 'forgiveness' as well. I
>> rejoined that they indeed seem similar to me, in that (in my
>> experience) both are largely imaginary. However, I also acknowledged
>> that someone who (as Jim advises) seeks to *provide* those qualities,
>> may not only be, in some higher sense, Good, but may also derive a few
>> practical benefits as well... such as a generally more clearheaded and
>> unburdened existence...
>
> Just to provide sort of a baseline on the subject of fairness,
> I think most of us are familiar with sporting events. The
> athletes expect fairness from the referees, who profess to
> be fair in their judgments.
>

I'd say the athletes expect accuracy more than fairness from a game's
referees.

If an ump honestly but carelessly calls a ball a strike and then
realizes his mistake, it seems only fair that on the next pitch he
should call a strike a ball. Right? That's fair, isn't it?

No, of course not. Neither team wants that, really, even though I think
it's probably done occasionally. Teams (and fans too) expect/demand
accuracy and consistency from their referees in applying the rules --
they can't demand fairness. "Play fair, everybody" isn't one of the rules.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:44:13 -0400, Bill Anderson
<billanderson601.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'd say the athletes expect accuracy more than fairness from a game's
>referees.

According to Bill Russell, who can be considered an authority on the
subject, what the athlete wants is consistency. And, Russell underscores
the point by noting, even if the ref is completely incompetent, if he
**always** misses the call, the players will accept him ..
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George Peatty wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:44:13 -0400, Bill Anderson
> <billanderson601.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd say the athletes expect accuracy more than fairness from a game's
>> referees.
>
> According to Bill Russell, who can be considered an authority on the
> subject, what the athlete wants is consistency. And, Russell underscores
> the point by noting, even if the ref is completely incompetent, if he
> **always** misses the call, the players will accept him ..

Coulda sworn I said something like that in my post. Must have been
snipped accidentally.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
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David Oberman wrote:
> Calvin <crice5.RemoveThis@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
>>That eliminates Mr. Schultz as one of our edifiers.
>
>
> Richard has a sesquipedalian streak, there is no doubt.

Well, I don't care if he *does* have seven feet, he still uses long
words! ;)

Derek Janssen
ejanss1.RemoveThis@verizon.net
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In rec.arts.movies.past-films David Oberman <doberman@etc.> wrote:

: I thought Rule #6 is:
:
: See Rule #1.

Rule #2 is "If the boss is wrong, see rule #1."

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Richard Schultz schultr.TakeThisOut@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
of government."
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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <crice5 DeleteThis @windstream.net> wrote:

:> (3) Instead of posting your angry and vicious responses (it was *you* who
:> compared *me* to a Nazi, which comparison is quite simply slanderous;
:
: All I said was, "... not unlike those heel-clickers who wore
: swastikas" and, as I told you before, I retracted that in the
: exchange with 'smee' in the same thread.

And as I told *you* before, you did not retract the statment. You said
that it was unnecessary, which is not the same thing as admitting that
it is untrue.

:> (4) Try to get it through your head that not every joke made in this
:> newsfroup is made at your expense, nor is every allusion that goes over your
:> head made to show that it went over your head.
:
: I never said or thought or implied that.

Yes you did, but let that pass.

: It is the vicious way that
: you and others react when one does not get a joke, or allusion,
: or put-on, or sarcasm, that I have found to be extremely
: humiliating and unfair. I also think it's awful when someone
: else puts me down for such things and then you come running to
: pile on. It was he who 'caught' me, not you, but you feel you
: must join in the fun at my expense.

The one who "caught" you for not getting my allusion to "No Man" was
me when I posted that I had slapped my hand against my forehead in
disbelief when you indicated that you had taken it seriously.

:> (5) Try to understand that other people have definitions of "fairness" that
:> differ from yours, and do not feel it "unfair" to point out to someone who
:> is behaving like a fool that he is behaving like a fool.
:
: That's not what I think is unfair.

Let me guess -- what you think is unfair is that you get to behave in any
way you want to, but if anyone should behave in a similar fashion, that is
simply Not Allowed.

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Richard Schultz schultr DeleteThis @mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
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