actors replaced when/after shooting starts

In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <crice5 RemoveThis @windstream.net> wrote:
: On Oct 30, 4:39 pm, schu... RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <cri... RemoveThis @windstream.net> wrote:
:> :> (3) Instead of posting your angry and vicious responses (it was *you* who
:> :> compared *me* to a Nazi, which comparison is quite simply slanderous;

:> : All I said was, "... not unlike those heel-clickers who wore
:> : swastikas" and, as I told you before, I retracted that in the
:> : exchange with 'smee' in the same thread.

:> And as I told *you* before, you did not retract the statment. You said
:> that it was unnecessary, which is not the same thing as admitting that
:> it is untrue.

: This is what I said, which is equivalent to a retraction,
: since I said my behavior was 'reformed':
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: It's true that I referred to Mr. Schultz
: in Nazi terms, but that was quite unnecesary, merely tacked
: onto what I had said about his harsh manner.

Unless you have some definition of "retraction" not consistent with that
used in common parlance, the above is not a retraction. You do not
say that it was wrong for you to have compared me to a Nazi, either on
the grounds that there is no basis for such a comparison or on the grounds
that it was morally wrong for you to have done so; you merely state that the
comparison was "unnecesary" [sic] because you had already said everything
that you needed to say (I was going to say "supernumerary," but you probably
would have objected to my use of a word of more than three syllables).


:> Let me guess -- what you think is unfair is that you get to behave in any
:> way you want to, but if anyone should behave in a similar fashion, that is
:> simply Not Allowed.
:
: No, that's not it either.

Well, from your behavior here, it sure seems that way.

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-- Deborah Lipstadt
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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <crice5.RemoveThis@windstream.net> wrote:
: On Oct 30, 4:28 pm, le....RemoveThis@my-deja.com wrote:

:> Don "Red" Barry was set to star with Otto Kruger, Eric Blore and Percy
:> Helton in IN SADDLE, OUT SADDLE, SIDE SADDLE (1943), directed by James
:> Whale (who took over when H. Bruce Humberstone caught the flu) but his
:> draft number came up and he was replaced by Johnny Mack Brown after a
:> day of filming.

: I think Mr. Schultz missed that whole thread. A pity, for him.
: He would have loved it.

There was a thread about _In Saddle, Out Saddle, Side Saddle_? That
would have been interesting. Or do you mean that there was a thread
about James Whale? That would probably have been more interesting.
I regret having missed whichever of those threads you were referring to.

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be, and
if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."
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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Derek Janssen <ejanss1 DeleteThis @nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
: David Oberman wrote:

:> Richard has a sesquipedalian streak, there is no doubt.
:
: Well, I don't care if he *does* have seven feet, he still uses long
: words! ;)

You'd better tell the good people of the State of Minnesota that next
year, when they celebrate the sesquicentennial of Minnesota's admission
to the union, they will be doing so 550 years too early.

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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <crice5.TakeThisOut@windstream.net> wrote:

: Just to provide sort of a baseline on the subject of fairness,
: I think most of us are familiar with sporting events. The
: athletes expect fairness from the referees, who profess to
: be fair in their judgments.

If that is your baseline for fairness, then it is not clear to me on
what basis you claim to have been treated unfairly here. As far as I
can tell, you are treated pretty much like everyone else. If people make
fun of you for making a fool of yourself more often than they do to others,
that is because you make a fool of yourself more often than others do, not
because you are being treated any differently.

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"To be, or not to be, I there's the point,
To Die, to sleepe, is that all? I all;
No, to sleepe, to dreame, I mary there it goes. . ."
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On Oct 31, 12:53 am, schu... RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <cri... RemoveThis @windstream.net> wrote:
> : On Oct 30, 4:39 pm, schu... RemoveThis @mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> :> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <cri... RemoveThis @windstream.net> wrote:
> :> :> (3) Instead of posting your angry and vicious responses (it was *you* who
> :> :> compared *me* to a Nazi, which comparison is quite simply slanderous;
> :> : All I said was, "... not unlike those heel-clickers who wore
> :> : swastikas" and, as I told you before, I retracted that in the
> :> : exchange with 'smee' in the same thread.
> :> And as I told *you* before, you did not retract the statment. You said
> :> that it was unnecessary, which is not the same thing as admitting that
> :> it is untrue.
> : This is what I said, which is equivalent to a retraction,
> : since I said my behavior was 'reformed':
> : ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> : It's true that I referred to Mr. Schultz
> : in Nazi terms, but that was quite unnecesary, merely tacked
> : onto what I had said about his harsh manner.
>
> Unless you have some definition of "retraction" not consistent with that
> used in common parlance, the above is not a retraction.

'The above' is not all I said. You left out the important part,
which I took pains to give in full.

> You do not
> say that it was wrong for you to have compared me to a Nazi, either on
> the grounds that there is no basis for such a comparison or on the grounds
> that it was morally wrong for you to have done so; you merely state that the
> comparison was "unnecesary" [sic] because you had already said everything
> that you needed to say (I was going to say "supernumerary," but you probably
> would have objected to my use of a word of more than three syllables).

No, I said my behavior was 'instantly reformed', and that is
equivalent to a retraction.
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On Oct 31, 8:43 am, schu....DeleteThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In rec.arts.movies.past-films trotsky <gmsi....DeleteThis@email.com> wrote:
> : Calvin wrote:
> :> I think Mr. Schultz missed that whole thread. A pity, for him.
> :> He would have loved it.
> : Calvin tries a little sarcasm, then cries, "I can't take the heat, I
> : have to get out of the kitchen!"
>
> Actually, the amusing part is that if he was referring to the discussion
> that he started about "actors replaced when/after shooting starts," he's
> wrong -- I did take part in that discussion.

No, it was a thread of another title entirely, that you
didn't take part in. *This* is the thread that you just named.
I'm beginning to wonder about your attention span.
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On Oct 31, 8:41 am, schu....RemoveThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <cri....RemoveThis@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> : No, I said my behavior was 'instantly reformed', and that is
> : equivalent to a retraction.
>
> Not that I care particularly, but for your edification, a retraction
> refers to an attempt to make up for a past action, while reform refers
> to a plan to change one's actions in the future. Just imagine how much
> easier it would have been for you to have said that you agreed that
> comparing me to a Nazi was uncalled for and that you regret having done
> so than it has been for you to (a) claim that you did not and (b) claim
> that an undertaking not to do so in the future is equivalent to apologizing
> for having done so in the past.

'Instant reform' and 'future reform' are two different things.
I haven't referred to you in such terms since 'smee'
invoked Godwin's law, and that was several days ago.
Even when I wrote what you snipped, I had already had
opportunities to repeat the comparison in question,
but did not, because I had already reformed.

The basic issue here is your overbearing nature, which
invites such immoderate comparisons. Beware, lest
someday someone compares you to the Soviet KGB.
Then you wont have Godwin's law to defend you.
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Heynony wrote:

> Sounds to me like you don't know what rule six is either.

Well, I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

--
'... my name is Noman; this is what my father and mother and my friends
have always called me.' - Odyssey; Book IX
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leo86.DeleteThis@my-deja.com wrote:
> Don "Red" Barry was set to star with Otto Kruger, Eric Blore and Percy
> Helton in IN SADDLE, OUT SADDLE, SIDE SADDLE (1943), directed by James
> Whale (who took over when H. Bruce Humberstone caught the flu) but his
> draft number came up and he was replaced by Johnny Mack Brown after a
> day of filming.
>

And why wasn't Johnny Mack Brown in uniform, hmnn? Probably because he
was a mite to sesquipedalian around the middle.

--
'... my name is Noman; this is what my father and mother and my friends
have always called me.' - Odyssey; Book IX
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Fairness does not enter sports. They do hope for at least a neutral ref,
but if a bogus fifty yard interference call goes their way, they will
not turn down the penalty.

A great commnetator, Michael Kinsley, upbraided the bush league for
hypocrisy in the 2000 election; they had geared their law guns to
contest the election based upon Dubyah winning the popular vote and
losing the electoral. Their arguments would've been geared around the
popular will. When they lost the popular vote, they swung aroung to take
up precisely the opposite argument.

But, lookit. Donovan McNabb is hit in the backfield the first offensive
down in the playoffs against New England one year, but he recovers,
sprints back to his left, heaves a long one downfield. But did his knee
touch the ground back there?

Who throws the red flag will depend on the result of the play. A long
gain, the Patriots want the replay. An interception, which is what
happened, and the Eagles want the review. (It was reviewed, and McNabb
was ruled down by contact.)

Who has an investment in fairness? The rep of the ref might depend on
it, but none of the contestants would be upset at any bad call that goes
their way.

--
'... my name is Noman; this is what my father and mother and my friends
have always called me.' - Odyssey; Book IX
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Calvin <crice5 RemoveThis @windstream.net> wrote:

> The basic issue here is your overbearing nature, which
> invites such immoderate comparisons. Beware, lest
> someday someone compares you to the Soviet KGB

How about the Jun Horde?

Captures the spirit of your characterization well, I think, and has
thread tie-in:

Tanya Roberts replaced Demi Moore.
Rip Torn replaced Klaus Kinski.

Unfortunately, for thread appropriateness, in both cases long before
shooting began; in fact I don't think either first choice was actually
even signed.

However, and I think here we have a winner, a bear _did_ replace a
tiger after shooting began, for one sequence, because a child actor was
involved and the bear was apparently judged less dangerous.
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Calvin wrote:
> On Oct 30, 4:28 pm, le... DeleteThis @my-deja.com wrote:
>> Don "Red" Barry was set to star with Otto Kruger, Eric Blore and Percy
>> Helton in IN SADDLE, OUT SADDLE, SIDE SADDLE (1943), directed by James
>> Whale (who took over when H. Bruce Humberstone caught the flu) but his
>> draft number came up and he was replaced by Johnny Mack Brown after a
>> day of filming.
>
> I think Mr. Schultz missed that whole thread. A pity, for him.
> He would have loved it.


Calvin tries a little sarcasm, then cries, "I can't take the heat, I
have to get out of the kitchen!"

Hypocritical shithead.
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In rec.arts.movies.past-films Calvin <crice5.DeleteThis@windstream.net> wrote:

: No, I said my behavior was 'instantly reformed', and that is
: equivalent to a retraction.

Not that I care particularly, but for your edification, a retraction
refers to an attempt to make up for a past action, while reform refers
to a plan to change one's actions in the future. Just imagine how much
easier it would have been for you to have said that you agreed that
comparing me to a Nazi was uncalled for and that you regret having done
so than it has been for you to (a) claim that you did not and (b) claim
that an undertaking not to do so in the future is equivalent to apologizing
for having done so in the past.

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Richard Schultz schultr.DeleteThis@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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but don't let that fool you -- he really is an idiot."
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