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Since: May 26, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:33 pm
Post subject: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be
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Ranger07's recent Matrix 4 question brings a new thing in mind. If
there is going to be another Matrix movie or movie series, what would
it be all about? Any ideas?
At first thought, as I think, seeing developments in MxO... Neo is
dead, Morpheus is also dead, so there is a whole new breed of
characters with some familiars like Niobe or Ghost, there can be
another war (inside and outside the Matrix), more chaotic, which can
give material for three movies (story develops a little slow, though).
And then, third and final trilogy shows us ultimate final battle of
human race - war between machines and humans (most of it ouside the
Matrix), and humans win, the matrix, power plant, machines, everything
is gone. At the end, Humans clear the scortched sky and rebuid the
Earth. One branch to this can be that humans take over the Matrix.
Since the Earth is not proper for living, rest of humans (people not
taking part in rebuilding the Earth) have to live within the matrix
until the Earth is restored back.
However, this looks like much (actually most) typical story, which
brothers didn't wanted from the beginning. So if it is not this, what
it can be??? |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 6:34 am
Post subject: Re: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Xeptionl wrote:
> Ranger07's recent Matrix 4 question brings a new thing in mind. If
> there is going to be another Matrix movie or movie series, what would
> it be all about? Any ideas?
>
> At first thought, as I think, seeing developments in MxO... Neo is
> dead, Morpheus is also dead, so there is a whole new breed of
> characters with some familiars like Niobe or Ghost, there can be
> another war (inside and outside the Matrix), more chaotic, which can
> give material for three movies (story develops a little slow, though).
> And then, third and final trilogy shows us ultimate final battle of
> human race - war between machines and humans (most of it ouside the
> Matrix), and humans win, the matrix, power plant, machines, everything
> is gone. At the end, Humans clear the scortched sky and rebuid the
> Earth. One branch to this can be that humans take over the Matrix.
> Since the Earth is not proper for living, rest of humans (people not
> taking part in rebuilding the Earth) have to live within the matrix
> until the Earth is restored back.
>
> However, this looks like much (actually most) typical story, which
> brothers didn't wanted from the beginning. So if it is not this, what
> it can be???
A war between Humans themselve over the Matrix, maybe some humans made
a deal with the machines, so they can rule the matrix with them aginst
the rest of the huminty. I don't know, but they got to be many new
ideas out there |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 2:55 am
Post subject: Re: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Xeptionl wrote in
news:1117172037.009043.144390@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
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> Ranger07's recent Matrix 4 question brings a new thing in mind. If
> there is going to be another Matrix movie or movie series, what would
> it be all about? Any ideas?
>
> At first thought, as I think, seeing developments in MxO... Neo is
> dead, Morpheus is also dead, so there is a whole new breed of
> characters with some familiars like Niobe or Ghost, there can be
> another war (inside and outside the Matrix), more chaotic, which can
> give material for three movies (story develops a little slow, though).
> And then, third and final trilogy shows us ultimate final battle of
> human race - war between machines and humans (most of it ouside the
> Matrix), and humans win, the matrix, power plant, machines, everything
> is gone. At the end, Humans clear the scortched sky and rebuid the
> Earth. One branch to this can be that humans take over the Matrix.
> Since the Earth is not proper for living, rest of humans (people not
> taking part in rebuilding the Earth) have to live within the matrix
> until the Earth is restored back.
>
> However, this looks like much (actually most) typical story, which
> brothers didn't wanted from the beginning. So if it is not this, what
> it can be???
I don't think there will be a fourth Matrix movie and especially not another
trilogy, at least not for a long time. The Wachowskis have made it clear
that they want to move past The Matrix for now and prove their worth as
movie makers without depending on a franchise that the public has obviously
grown tired of (still my favorite of all time, by far).
The Matrix will continue through various other media for a while -- mainly
video games, but perhaps also some cartoon/anime stuff, comics, and maybe
eventually some "expanded universe" novels.
I'm surprised the Matrix movies haven't been novelized yet... >> Stay informed about: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:59 pm
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Gavin Smith wrote in news:DnKtEjA8oFpCFwoQ@slipgate-adsl.demon.co.uk:
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> In article <1117172037.009043.144390 RemoveThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> Xeptionl <Shekhar_D_S RemoveThis @yahoo.com> writes
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> > Ranger07's recent Matrix 4 question brings a new thing in mind. If
> > there is going to be another Matrix movie or movie series, what
> > would it be all about? Any ideas?
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> I wouldn't want to see a continuation of the story beyond Neo, myself.
>
> I've had this thing in my head for a while about the Potentials - the
> guys who are built up into believing that they might be super-special,
> but are eventually told that they're not all *that*. Nonetheless, they
> are still potentially more powerful than your average redpill. So that
> makes an interesting mix of big power and big resentment at not being
> the One. There's room for angst in there. And brawling. :)
>
> So, I'd make a film set in Matrix 3.0 or 4.0 with a gang of
> super-heroes called The Potentials. You could have Merv and Persy,
> maybe flesh out their relationship with Seraph, and the Oracle could
> be there in a younger shell, and all kinds of fun and games could
> ensue...
>
> But that's a thing in *my* head, not in Larry or Andy Wachowski's
> head, so who knows?
Well remember that those programs (Merovingian, Persephone, etc.) recognize
each other by their code, not their shells, so a film could be made
independent of WB and the Wachowskis if the Wachowskis okayed it, and
completely different actors could play the same characters in different
versions of the Matrix. >> Stay informed about: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:59 pm
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Gavin Smith wrote in news:CHTtctAaqFpCFwqv@slipgate-adsl.demon.co.uk:
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> In article <1117172037.009043.144390 DeleteThis @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> Xeptionl <Shekhar_D_S DeleteThis @yahoo.com> writes
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> > At first thought, as I think, seeing developments in MxO... Neo is
> > dead,
>
> Ahem. I know this is not the first time I've mentioned this, but...
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> There is still no conclusive proof that Neo is dead.
>
> :)
How postmodern of you!
And I agree. No conclusive proof that he is alive or dead. I'm quite
agnostic about it. :) >> Stay informed about: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:04 pm
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> Well remember that those programs (Merovingian, Persephone, etc.) recognize
> each other by their code, not their shells, so a film could be made
> independent of WB and the Wachowskis if the Wachowskis okayed it, and
> completely different actors could play the same characters in different
> versions of the Matrix.
Can we be sure that other filmmakers and actors would be capable to
keep that same style and theme that Wachowskis had? This type of
changes are very less accepted by the audiance. I frankly say about
myself, I would not like other people than Wachowskis make official
Matrix sequels. However films based on Matrix theme by other filmmakers
would be interesting. >> Stay informed about: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:25 pm
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>>Ahem. I know this is not the first time I've mentioned this, but...
>>There is still no conclusive proof that Neo is dead.
>>:)
>How postmodern of you!
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>And I agree. No conclusive proof that he is alive or dead. I'm quite
>agnostic about it. :)
But then what about Matrix Online story?
However, if Neo is dead, what is the meaning of Sati asking Oracle
"Will we ever see him again?" at the end of Revolutions, and Oracle
replying "I expect so. Someday."? >> Stay informed about: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:09 pm
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Xeptionl wrote in
news:1118120694.342940.215330@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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> > Well remember that those programs (Merovingian, Persephone, etc.)
> > recognize each other by their code, not their shells, so a film
> > could be made independent of WB and the Wachowskis if the
> > Wachowskis okayed it, and completely different actors could play
> > the same characters in different versions of the Matrix.
>
> Can we be sure that other filmmakers and actors would be capable to
> keep that same style and theme that Wachowskis had?
Of course not. You can never be sure of anything, and especially not
consistency of style and substance when all the ingredients are changed. But
you can hope that the result is something still worth viewing, and maybe it
will do the theme justice.
> This type of changes are very less accepted by the audiance. I
> frankly say about myself, I would not like other people than
> Wachowskis make official Matrix sequels. However films based on
> Matrix theme by other filmmakers would be interesting.
There probably will never again be any "official" Matrix sequels. Maybe a
prequel, but I doubt that too. Anything else that is done with the Matrix
for the big screen will be done by someone else, methinks. >> Stay informed about: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:11 pm
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Xeptionl wrote in
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> > > Ahem. I know this is not the first time I've mentioned this,
> > > but... There is still no conclusive proof that Neo is dead.
> > > :)
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> > How postmodern of you!
> >
> > And I agree. No conclusive proof that he is alive or dead. I'm quite
> > agnostic about it. :)
>
> But then what about Matrix Online story?
Inconclusive.
> However, if Neo is dead, what is the meaning of Sati asking Oracle
> "Will we ever see him again?" at the end of Revolutions, and Oracle
> replying "I expect so. Someday."?
Still inconclusive.
The code the anomaly carries is what made Neo who he was when Sati met him.
"Thomas Anderson" -- i.e. the Matrix person we saw who looked like Keanu
Reeves -- is dead forever. Neo, on the other hand, might not be, and I don't
think he is.
But the only reasoning I have for that thought is my understanding of the
Wachowskis' work. >> Stay informed about: Matrix 4 - Just in case - What it can be |
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