cello and piano at wigmore hall (uk)

Dan, phone me for a beer this evening if you get the chance (I'm off
to Italy tomorrow - any Ramp folks in Venice btw give me a shout!).
Most likely standing in the rain outside Dog and Duck or Pillars!

In a nutshell, the Wigmore Hall is quite small but obviously it sounds
um nice in its way - lots of chamber music / song recitals there. Pop
along beforehand and ask to have a look in, explaining what you're up
to. Personally, like Oleg's suggestion, I'd put a cardioid on the
cello (it's null to the piano perhaps if that works out ok with the
shot) and a couple cardioids over the open piano (maybe try to hire
pair of those dpa compact ones from Richmond?

If it has to be more discrete dpa lavs would do it (on bridge of
cello)

Regards, Jez
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On Sep 26, 9:05 am, wrote:
> Dan, phone me for a beer this evening if you get the chance (I'm off
> to Italy tomorrow - any Ramp folks in Venice btw give me a shout!).
> Most likely standing in the rain outside Dog and Duck or Pillars!
>
> In a nutshell, the Wigmore Hall is quite small but obviously it sounds
> um nice in its way - lots of chamber music / song recitals there. Pop
> along beforehand and ask to have a look in, explaining what you're up
> to. Personally, like Oleg's suggestion, I'd put a cardioid on the
> cello (it's null to the piano perhaps if that works out ok with the
> shot) and a couple cardioids over the open piano (maybe try to hire
> pair of those dpa compact ones from Richmond?
>
> If it has to be more discrete dpa lavs would do it (on bridge of
> cello)
>
> Regards, Jez

I'd suggest a Decca tree placed between the two musicians. Have the
tree in front of them by about 5 feet. Since it is more a clamber
amount, you won't need outriggers. You can fly omni's or cardiods at
the three points and get fine results. Good luck, and enjoy!

Blas
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2 cards or omnis over the piano strings( depends on the hall acoustics) ,
1 card for the cello (about 2 feet away )
good pzms as schoeps blm may also work well for the grand piano
you can make it stereo image with cello in the middle

"d rosen" wrote in message

> been asked by a friend to record a performance at wigmore hall. just 2
> instruments (cello and piano) in picture (hdv). this is not for
> broadcast but i'd like to do the best i can. wondering if any body out
> there can advise me on:
> wigmore hall (sound wise).
> choice of mics.
> placement.
>
> many thanks,
>
> dan.
>
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On Sep 26, 9:27 pm, wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> I agree with Oleg's advice on this one. I absolutely love the sound of
> pianos when miced with a stereo pair and panned wide to give the
> effect of being at the keys, however this is a technique most often
Hi Dan,

the most important factor is whether you are allowed to be in vision
or not.

If OK to see mics then there are numerous ways. I would concur with
Oleg (hello Oleg How R U). two on the piano, plus one for the cello. I
would also hang a stereo pair of some description further away for a
bit of 'space' if needed.

If nothing allowed in vision then you could go DAP hidden in piano
plus on bridge of cello, plus a spacey pair - or you could go very
carefully placed MS pair, or even slash out on a soundfield.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes.

Kindest regards to all,

Simon B

> used on pop recordings rather than classical. That's an aesthetic
p> choice though. Do you know how far open the piano top will be? If
it
> is high stick, some large diaphragm cards are usually your best bet,
> if it is short stick or all the way closed, the PZMs might work best.
> Be sure not mic too close to hammers as it will accentuate their sharp
> thud. I don't know the wigmore, but if it has a nice verb to it and
> you are feeling adventuresome, it might be nice to place another card
> 10-20 ft away from both instruments and mix sparingly.
>
> Best of luck,
> Jesse
>
> Also, hello to everyone @ RAMPS! I am based in NYC and fairly new to
> the board. First posting here.
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Hi Dan,

I agree with Oleg's advice on this one. I absolutely love the sound of
pianos when miced with a stereo pair and panned wide to give the
effect of being at the keys, however this is a technique most often
used on pop recordings rather than classical. That's an aesthetic
choice though. Do you know how far open the piano top will be? If it
is high stick, some large diaphragm cards are usually your best bet,
if it is short stick or all the way closed, the PZMs might work best.
Be sure not mic too close to hammers as it will accentuate their sharp
thud. I don't know the wigmore, but if it has a nice verb to it and
you are feeling adventuresome, it might be nice to place another card
10-20 ft away from both instruments and mix sparingly.

Best of luck,
Jesse


Also, hello to everyone @ RAMPS! I am based in NYC and fairly new to
the board. First posting here.
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5 mics for duet ?now lets hope they know how to use the instruments :-)
everything good Simon -the Guinness stream is good as always , we have
penetrated Chelsea with Avram
rycote came with outstanding products ( probably will cut your amps
donations ):-)))and my HHB making 400 usd this week

Life is good


"sb" wrote in message

> On Sep 26, 9:27 pm, wrote:
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> I agree with Oleg's advice on this one. I absolutely love the sound of
>> pianos when miced with a stereo pair and panned wide to give the
>> effect of being at the keys, however this is a technique most often
> Hi Dan,
>
> the most important factor is whether you are allowed to be in vision
> or not.
>
> If OK to see mics then there are numerous ways. I would concur with
> Oleg (hello Oleg How R U). two on the piano, plus one for the cello. I
> would also hang a stereo pair of some description further away for a
> bit of 'space' if needed.
>
> If nothing allowed in vision then you could go DAP hidden in piano
> plus on bridge of cello, plus a spacey pair - or you could go very
> carefully placed MS pair, or even slash out on a soundfield.
>
> Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
>
> Kindest regards to all,
>
> Simon B
>
>> used on pop recordings rather than classical. That's an aesthetic
> p> choice though. Do you know how far open the piano top will be? If
> it
>> is high stick, some large diaphragm cards are usually your best bet,
>> if it is short stick or all the way closed, the PZMs might work best.
>> Be sure not mic too close to hammers as it will accentuate their sharp
>> thud. I don't know the wigmore, but if it has a nice verb to it and
>> you are feeling adventuresome, it might be nice to place another card
>> 10-20 ft away from both instruments and mix sparingly.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> Jesse
>>
>> Also, hello to everyone @ RAMPS! I am based in NYC and fairly new to
>> the board. First posting here.
>
>
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If you want an acoustic picture of the sound rather than a pop sound,
a stereo pair just in front and over the duet.
(Can you suspend the stereo pair?)
Add to that a cardiod spot mic on the floor pointing at the sound
hole of the cello. If the performer is looking at 6 o'clock, then the
mic would be at about 8 o'clock. Use just a little of the spot mic
as needed.



On Sep 26, 7:50 am, d rosen wrote:
> been asked by a friend to record a performance at wigmore hall. just 2
> instruments (cello and piano) in picture (hdv). this is not for
> broadcast but i'd like to do the best i can. wondering if any body out
> there can advise me on:
> wigmore hall (sound wise).
> choice of mics.
> placement.
>
> many thanks,
>
> dan.
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Yep, that's how I'd do it.

D.

"Henry Howard" wrote in message

> If you want an acoustic picture of the sound rather than a pop sound,
> a stereo pair just in front and over the duet.
> (Can you suspend the stereo pair?)
> Add to that a cardiod spot mic on the floor pointing at the sound
> hole of the cello. If the performer is looking at 6 o'clock, then the
> mic would be at about 8 o'clock. Use just a little of the spot mic
> as needed.
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 7:50 am, d rosen wrote:
>> been asked by a friend to record a performance at wigmore hall. just 2
>> instruments (cello and piano) in picture (hdv). this is not for
>> broadcast but i'd like to do the best i can. wondering if any body out
>> there can advise me on:
>> wigmore hall (sound wise).
>> choice of mics.
>> placement.
>>
>> many thanks,
>>
>> dan.
>
>
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and if he /she lefthanded?:-)

"Henry Howard" wrote in message

pointing at the sound
> hole of the cello. If the performer is looking at 6 o'clock, then the
> mic would be at about 8 o'clock. Use just a little of the spot mic
> as needed.
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 7:50 am, d rosen wrote:
>> been asked by a friend to record a performance at wigmore hall. just 2
>> instruments (cello and piano) in picture (hdv). this is not for
>> broadcast but i'd like to do the best i can. wondering if any body out
>> there can advise me on:
>> wigmore hall (sound wise).
>> choice of mics.
>> placement.
>>
>> many thanks,
>>
>> dan.
>
>
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On Sep 28, 2:43 am, "oleg kaizerman" wrote:
> and if he /she lefthanded?:-)

I haven't met one yet, but I would use common sense and mic from
the other side.
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i know at least one :-)
"Henry Howard" wrote in message

> On Sep 28, 2:43 am, "oleg kaizerman" wrote:
>> and if he /she lefthanded?:-)
>
> I haven't met one yet, but I would use common sense and mic from
> the other side.
>
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On Sep 28, 11:06 am, "oleg kaizerman" wrote:
> i know at least one :-)"Henry Howard" wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 2:43 am, "oleg kaizerman" wrote:
> >> and if he /she lefthanded?:-)
>
> > I haven't met one yet, but I would use common sense and mic from
> > the other side.

Well then use common sense and mic from the other side.
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Hard to play anything other than solo Cello left handed. You wouldn't fit
into the ochestra very well<g>.

D.

"Henry Howard" wrote in message

> On Sep 28, 11:06 am, "oleg kaizerman" wrote:
>> i know at least one :-)"Henry Howard" wrote in
>> message
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 28, 2:43 am, "oleg kaizerman" wrote:
>> >> and if he /she lefthanded?:-)
>>
>> > I haven't met one yet, but I would use common sense and mic from
>> > the other side.
>
> Well then use common sense and mic from the other side.
>
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