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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:02 am
Post subject: if you had to choose one...for this particular project...
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i'm putting together a small soundkit to shoot a project that's going
to take place in a small city with lots of locations by a river and on
boats. it's going to be noisy and sometimes windy. for my interiors i
have a bunch of small diaphragm condensers, (mostly cardoid) that i
think will work (a cardoid octava, studio projects with cardoid and
omni capsules).
what i need is a shotgun mic that sounds natural (yeah, that's
subjective)-- has decent off-axis rejection and good reach but is not
too narrow, because i want ambient sounds and for the environment to
sound somewhat organic. we'll be shooting verite , moving around a lot,
likely be shooting group situations-- there'll be dialogue, but it's
not super dialogue-driven.
what i'm describing is probably two or three or four mics that ideally
i could own and switch among. unfortunately, i can only afford one
primary shotgun for now. i know there's no magic bullet. and i also
know that it's a matter of personal preference. i've been using the
me66 for some years but really want to upgrade because it sounds quite
thin to my ears. so, what i'm auditioning now are the 416, CS-3e,
4073, and CS-1. i'm considering any of those 4. given the
circumstances and parameters, could anyone weigh in on this?
much obliged.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:02 am
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"tchandler" <toddchandler RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> i'm putting together a small soundkit to shoot a project that's going to
> take place in a small city with lots of locations by a river and on boats.
> it's going to be noisy and sometimes windy. for my interiors i have a
> bunch of small diaphragm condensers, (mostly cardoid) that i think will
> work (a cardoid octava, studio projects with cardoid and omni capsules).
>
> what i need is a shotgun mic that sounds natural (yeah, that's
> subjective)-- has decent off-axis rejection and good reach but is not too
> narrow, because i want ambient sounds and for the environment to sound
> somewhat organic. we'll be shooting verite , moving around a lot, likely
> be shooting group situations-- there'll be dialogue, but it's not super
> dialogue-driven.
>
> what i'm describing is probably two or three or four mics that ideally i
> could own and switch among. unfortunately, i can only afford one primary
> shotgun for now. i know there's no magic bullet. and i also know that it's
> a matter of personal preference. i've been using the me66 for some years
> but really want to upgrade because it sounds quite thin to my ears. so,
> what i'm auditioning now are the 416, CS-3e, 4073, and CS-1. i'm
> considering any of those 4. given the circumstances and parameters, could
> anyone weigh in on this?
>
> much obliged.
>
> tchandler
Given your apparent midline sort of budget and the requirements you have
stated it seems the CS-1 might be most appropriate. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:02 am
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On May 18, 11:02 am, tchandler <toddchand... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> i'm putting together a small soundkit to shoot a project that's going
> to take place in a small city with lots of locations by a river and on
> boats. it's going to be noisy and sometimes windy. for my interiors i
> have a bunch of small diaphragm condensers, (mostly cardoid) that i
> think will work (a cardoid octava, studio projects with cardoid and
> omni capsules).
>
> what i need is a shotgun mic that sounds natural (yeah, that's
> subjective)-- has decent off-axis rejection and good reach but is not
> too narrow, because i want ambient sounds and for the environment to
> sound somewhat organic. we'll be shooting verite , moving around a lot,
> likely be shooting group situations-- there'll be dialogue, but it's
> not super dialogue-driven.
>
> what i'm describing is probably two or three or four mics that ideally
> i could own and switch among. unfortunately, i can only afford one
> primary shotgun for now. i know there's no magic bullet. and i also
> know that it's a matter of personal preference. i've been using the
> me66 for some years but really want to upgrade because it sounds quite
> thin to my ears. so, what i'm auditioning now are the 416, CS-3e,
> 4073, and CS-1. i'm considering any of those 4. given the
> circumstances and parameters, could anyone weigh in on this?
>
> much obliged.
>
> tchandler
I have found the 4073a to be great for pulling better than I deserved
audio out of noisy locations, hollow sounding rooms, and inexpereinced
actors. I suggest you buy it, at least a rycote or lightwave softie,
and a hypercardioid head for the oktava (Like Oleg says)... I have
not tried the the Indian copy zepps...
I do like my 416, but I know you may not have the money to get one...
If you buy a new 4073a, an Oktava Hyper head, and some wind
protection, I think you could get in for under $750 all told.. and the
resale value in the future would be at least $500 if you hate all
these pieces...
I guess I should say that I find the 416 to be very transparent, and
the 4073a to add a little presence to thin voices.. For some actors
and interview subjects, that's a good thing.
Re: ambient.. You'll get more than you want if you are in the real
world.. if you are not getting enough during dialogue.. just make sure
to get some wild track of the environment..
Best of luck!
Chris Mills >> Stay informed about: if you had to choose one...for this particular project... |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:02 am
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On May 18, 1:41 pm, chrisbala....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net wrote:
> On May 18, 11:02 am, tchandler <toddchand....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > i'm putting together a small soundkit to shoot a project that's going
> > to take place in a small city with lots of locations by a river and on
> > boats. it's going to be noisy and sometimes windy. for my interiors i
> > have a bunch of small diaphragm condensers, (mostly cardoid) that i
> > think will work (a cardoid octava, studio projects with cardoid and
> > omni capsules).
>
> > what i need is a shotgun mic that sounds natural (yeah, that's
> > subjective)-- has decent off-axis rejection and good reach but is not
> > too narrow, because i want ambient sounds and for the environment to
> > sound somewhat organic. we'll be shooting verite , moving around a lot,
> > likely be shooting group situations-- there'll be dialogue, but it's
> > not super dialogue-driven.
>
> > what i'm describing is probably two or three or four mics that ideally
> > i could own and switch among. unfortunately, i can only afford one
> > primary shotgun for now. i know there's no magic bullet. and i also
> > know that it's a matter of personal preference. i've been using the
> > me66 for some years but really want to upgrade because it sounds quite
> > thin to my ears. so, what i'm auditioning now are the 416, CS-3e,
> > 4073, and CS-1. i'm considering any of those 4. given the
> > circumstances and parameters, could anyone weigh in on this?
>
> > much obliged.
>
> > tchandler
>
> I have found the 4073a to be great for pulling better than I deserved
> audio out of noisy locations, hollow sounding rooms, and inexpereinced
> actors. I suggest you buy it, at least a rycote or lightwave softie,
> and a hypercardioid head for the oktava (Like Oleg says)... I have
> not tried the the Indian copy zepps...
> I do like my 416, but I know you may not have the money to get one...
> If you buy a new 4073a, an Oktava Hyper head, and some wind
> protection, I think you could get in for under $750 all told.. and the
> resale value in the future would be at least $500 if you hate all
> these pieces...
>
> I guess I should say that I find the 416 to be very transparent, and
> the 4073a to add a little presence to thin voices.. For some actors
> and interview subjects, that's a good thing.
>
> Re: ambient.. You'll get more than you want if you are in the real
> world.. if you are not getting enough during dialogue.. just make sure
> to get some wild track of the environment..
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Chris Mills >> Stay informed about: if you had to choose one...for this particular project... |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:12 am
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"tchandler" <toddchandler RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> i'm putting together a small soundkit to shoot a project that's going to
> take place in a small city with lots of locations by a river and on boats.
> it's going to be noisy and sometimes windy. for my interiors i have a
> bunch of small diaphragm condensers, (mostly cardoid) that i think will
> work (a cardoid octava, studio projects with cardoid and omni capsules).
>
> what i need is a shotgun mic that sounds natural (yeah, that's
> subjective)-- has decent off-axis rejection and good reach but is not too
> narrow, because i want ambient sounds and for the environment to sound
> somewhat organic. we'll be shooting verite , moving around a lot, likely
> be shooting group situations-- there'll be dialogue, but it's not super
> dialogue-driven.
>
> what i'm describing is probably two or three or four mics that ideally i
> could own and switch among. unfortunately, i can only afford one primary
> shotgun for now. i know there's no magic bullet. and i also know that it's
> a matter of personal preference. i've been using the me66 for some years
> but really want to upgrade because it sounds quite thin to my ears. so,
> what i'm auditioning now are the 416, CS-3e, 4073, and CS-1. i'm
> considering any of those 4. given the circumstances and parameters, could
> anyone weigh in on this?
>
> much obliged.
>
> tchandler
Your project is invalid before it starts. >> Stay informed about: if you had to choose one...for this particular project... |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:15 am
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"tchandler" <toddchandler DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> i'm putting together a small soundkit to shoot a project that's going to
> take place in a small city with lots of locations by a river and on boats.
> it's going to be noisy and sometimes windy. for my interiors i have a
> bunch of small diaphragm condensers, (mostly cardoid) that i think will
> work (a cardoid octava, studio projects with cardoid and omni capsules).
>
> what i need is a shotgun mic that sounds natural (yeah, that's
> subjective)-- has decent off-axis rejection and good reach but is not too
> narrow, because i want ambient sounds and for the environment to sound
> somewhat organic. we'll be shooting verite , moving around a lot, likely
> be shooting group situations-- there'll be dialogue, but it's not super
> dialogue-driven.
>
> what i'm describing is probably two or three or four mics that ideally i
> could own and switch among. unfortunately, i can only afford one primary
> shotgun for now. i know there's no magic bullet. and i also know that it's
> a matter of personal preference. i've been using the me66 for some years
> but really want to upgrade because it sounds quite thin to my ears. so,
> what i'm auditioning now are the 416, CS-3e, 4073, and CS-1. i'm
> considering any of those 4. given the circumstances and parameters, could
> anyone weigh in on this?
>
> much obliged.
>
> tchandler
More wasted bandwidth. >> Stay informed about: if you had to choose one...for this particular project... |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:15 am
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cool. thanks. that's really super helpful.
i wasn't asking your opinion on the validity of my project, but really
thanks for the great feedback.
> Your project is invalid before it starts.
On 2008-05-18 11:12:35 -0400, "WeReo_ScoTTy" <ScoTTo.RemoveThis@newsserver.net> said:
> "tchandler" <toddchandler.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2008051811025216807-toddchandler@gmailcom...
>> i'm putting together a small soundkit to shoot a project that's going to
>> take place in a small city with lots of locations by a river and on boats.
>> it's going to be noisy and sometimes windy. for my interiors i have a
>> bunch of small diaphragm condensers, (mostly cardoid) that i think will
>> work (a cardoid octava, studio projects with cardoid and omni capsules).
>>
>> what i need is a shotgun mic that sounds natural (yeah, that's
>> subjective)-- has decent off-axis rejection and good reach but is not too
>> narrow, because i want ambient sounds and for the environment to sound
>> somewhat organic. we'll be shooting verite , moving around a lot, likely
>> be shooting group situations-- there'll be dialogue, but it's not super
>> dialogue-driven.
>>
>> what i'm describing is probably two or three or four mics that ideally i
>> could own and switch among. unfortunately, i can only afford one primary
>> shotgun for now. i know there's no magic bullet. and i also know that it's
>> a matter of personal preference. i've been using the me66 for some years
>> but really want to upgrade because it sounds quite thin to my ears. so,
>> what i'm auditioning now are the 416, CS-3e, 4073, and CS-1. i'm
>> considering any of those 4. given the circumstances and parameters, could
>> anyone weigh in on this?
>>
>> much obliged.
>>
>> tchandler
> >> Stay informed about: if you had to choose one...for this particular project... |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:15 am
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:19 am
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Sorry for the duplicate.. Duh,
Someone did a comparison not long ago on a lot of aforementioned mics
with interior/exterior audio clips. You have to search this group to
find the URL. Well worth the search time!
That said, the AT4073 has very high output, sounds good and picks up
EVERYTHING, you'll also want a good shock mount and a zep for even
moderate wind conditions with this mic. In my experience It handles
wet and high humidity environments without issue. >> Stay informed about: if you had to choose one...for this particular project... |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:25 am
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You will never regret owning an MKH416. If you don't have the money,
then buy a T-power 416 or 415 used. They will withstand almost any
weather conditions, which also seems a consideration for your
project. You will need a good mount, proper wind protection and a low
cut filter, or you will get a lot of rumble.
Good luck,
Robert >> Stay informed about: if you had to choose one...for this particular project... |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:38 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:49 pm
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as i pointed you in other place :-). the at 4073 has much nerrow patern , so
at least on croud and noisy locations it would act much beter
and its much cheaper ( 300usd less ) , of course charles who make igh budget
productions with tones of schoeps mics dont see muh difference in so small
sum :-)
save the money spend it on something else as normal hyper cardioid( add
hyper cardioid head to your octava+ inline high pass filter ) for interials
if you dont have one .
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> "tchandler" <toddchandler.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2008051811025216807-toddchandler@gmailcom...
>> i'm putting together a small soundkit to shoot a project that's going to
>> take place in a small city with lots of locations by a river and on
>> boats. it's going to be noisy and sometimes windy. for my interiors i
>> have a bunch of small diaphragm condensers, (mostly cardoid) that i think
>> will work (a cardoid octava, studio projects with cardoid and omni
>> capsules).
>>
>> what i need is a shotgun mic that sounds natural (yeah, that's
>> subjective)-- has decent off-axis rejection and good reach but is not
>> too narrow, because i want ambient sounds and for the environment to
>> sound somewhat organic. we'll be shooting verite , moving around a lot,
>> likely be shooting group situations-- there'll be dialogue, but it's not
>> super dialogue-driven.
>>
>> what i'm describing is probably two or three or four mics that ideally i
>> could own and switch among. unfortunately, i can only afford one primary
>> shotgun for now. i know there's no magic bullet. and i also know that
>> it's a matter of personal preference. i've been using the me66 for some
>> years but really want to upgrade because it sounds quite thin to my ears.
>> so, what i'm auditioning now are the 416, CS-3e, 4073, and CS-1. i'm
>> considering any of those 4. given the circumstances and parameters,
>> could anyone weigh in on this?
>>
>> much obliged.
>>
>> tchandler
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> Given your apparent midline sort of budget and the requirements you have
> stated it seems the CS-1 might be most appropriate.
> >> Stay informed about: if you had to choose one...for this particular project... |
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