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Since: Jul 05, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:33 pm
Post subject: cinealta-potential distaster
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I was Enjoying my sunday afternoon at home then i got "the call" from
a client(from out of town) in which i had done work for just this past
friday.
The producer described the problem as "audio cutting in and out" at a
particular critical moment during the dialogue. We were shooting with
a sony 24p 900 camera and the producer insisted that i do not do a
double system record. I warned of horror stories and my opinion was
quickly dismissed.
My question to the group: Has anybody actually heard what it sounds
like when the audio dropout problem occurs in these cameras? Is it a
full mute or something else? Can anybody confirm that this problem
actually exists?
Potentially, i am about to face a firestorm over this and appreciate
any help that can be offered. If it is desired to speak off the NG
then email me directly. jgoochmixer.DeleteThis@mac.com or even call me collect
at 610.627.1495
please no advice about what i should of done, i consider and have
always considered these cameras an abomination to the sound department
and have always fought for double system recording. Next time i will
win the fight.
sincerely,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:52 pm
Post subject: Re: cinealta-potential distaster [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Sounds to me like your rear end is covered and the producers will have
learned an expensive lesson if in fact you did forewarn and offer a backup
and it was refused.
"john gooch" <jgoochmixer RemoveThis @mac.com> wrote in message
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>I was Enjoying my sunday afternoon at home then i got "the call" from
> a client(from out of town) in which i had done work for just this past
> friday.
>
> The producer described the problem as "audio cutting in and out" at a
> particular critical moment during the dialogue. We were shooting with
> a sony 24p 900 camera and the producer insisted that i do not do a
> double system record. I warned of horror stories and my opinion was
> quickly dismissed.
>
> My question to the group: Has anybody actually heard what it sounds
> like when the audio dropout problem occurs in these cameras? Is it a
> full mute or something else? Can anybody confirm that this problem
> actually exists?
>
> Potentially, i am about to face a firestorm over this and appreciate
> any help that can be offered. If it is desired to speak off the NG
> then email me directly. jgoochmixer RemoveThis @mac.com or even call me collect
> at 610.627.1495
>
> please no advice about what i should of done, i consider and have
> always considered these cameras an abomination to the sound department
> and have always fought for double system recording. Next time i will
> win the fight.
>
> sincerely,
>
> john gooch |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 5:31 pm
Post subject: Re: cinealta-potential distaster [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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John,
You did your part in telling them of the potential problems. They did
not take your professional advice. How this could be a fire storm for
you is beyond reason and comprehension.
A lack of planning and forethought on their part does not constitute a
crisis on your part.
Stand your ground, do not become the whipping boy for them.
Best, Eric >> Stay informed about: cinealta-potential distaster |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 8:42 pm
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There are two issues. One is a complete mute of the audio and the other
sounds like RF hits. I know from speaking to a person that owns six or seven
of the F-900s that the RF hit problem has been a challenge for him in
several of his cameras. He has linked it to a card inside the camera that
needs to be reset each time the camera is transported and was having a
meeting with the president of Sony USA a few weeks ago to discuss this
issue. I haven't heard from him since then.
I have myself experienced the muting and am not aware of a fix for this. I
think the solution will be that Sony is about to release a new camera.
Hopefully it will work properly.
Brad Harper
> My question to the group: Has anybody actually heard what it sounds
> like when the audio dropout problem occurs in these cameras? Is it a
> full mute or something else? Can anybody confirm that this problem
> actually exists?
>
> Potentially, i am about to face a firestorm over this and appreciate
> any help that can be offered. If it is desired to speak off the NG
> then email me directly. jgoochmixer DeleteThis @mac.com or even call me collect
> at 610.627.1495
>
> please no advice about what i should of done, i consider and have
> always considered these cameras an abomination to the sound department
> and have always fought for double system recording. Next time i will
> win the fight.
>
> sincerely,
>
> john gooch >> Stay informed about: cinealta-potential distaster |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:05 pm
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Audioetc.DeleteThis@webtv.net (Eric Toline) wrote in message news:<7468-40C38D27-313.DeleteThis@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>...
> John,
>
> You did your part in telling them of the potential problems. They did
> not take your professional advice. How this could be a fire storm for
> you is beyond reason and comprehension.
>
> A lack of planning and forethought on their part does not constitute a
> crisis on your part.
>
> Stand your ground, do not become the whipping boy for them.
>
> Best, Eric
If you haven't already, do a search of the archive on this subject.
Among others, both Wolf S and Glen Trew have reported problems
with strong RF causing mutes in the audio of the F900 that were
not audible in E-to-E. As far as I can see, Sony has been in denial
about this for at least 2 years.
Philip Perkins CAS >> Stay informed about: cinealta-potential distaster |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:06 pm
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No, you can't hear it happen. None of these cameras have true confidence
monitoring so you only hear the sound E/E through the camera but not what
goes to tape.
Brad
> Brad and all;
> Can this dropout/muting problem be heard when monitoring the return
> audio? >> Stay informed about: cinealta-potential distaster |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:52 am
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To answer Oleg, they were always single camera with no sync box, yet there were
the occasional problems. These were LONG sit down interviews mostly, things
could get cut around, but that doesn't make it right, of course.
Bruno
Bruno Strapko CAS
Strapko Recorders
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:05 am
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> The issue: Even though my client instructed me not to double record
> on this project, it is clear that i should have anyway.
Hi John,
So far I've had the dumb luck of never running into "the 900 problem",
but I too am always pressing hard for the producer to at least pay for
a non-time code DAT backup, only to be told that "we can't afford it".
Always.
A local mixer I know who HAS run into this problem with the 900 is
already doing just as you suggest, and is now running DAT backups,
even if it's just a PCM-M1 in his bag, when the producer refuses to
pay for the backup.
If he ever gets "that call" again, he'll be ready to sell some VERY
EXPEN$IVE DAT COPIE$ that he just happens to have available, even
though the producer didn't want them.
I think I should be doing the same.
-Jay Farrington
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:44 pm
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ISO good location sound recordist in Nashville, TN area. For a shoot June
25. Fully paid. Please send recommendations and contact information to
Jennifer_Anderson-cw.RemoveThis@discovery.com.
Hi FOlks. This is from a DC area post. Don't know the people. Best of luck.
Ty Ford >> Stay informed about: cinealta-potential distaster |
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