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Burbank74

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:09 pm
Post subject: Some of the color DICTATOR footage flipped!
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I just rewatched Sydney's color DICTATOR 16mm home movie footage on the DVD. It
is now quite clear that when we get to the last role/segment - that begins with
explosions on the battlefield - that this footage is unfortunately flipped! The
first tell-tale sign is when you see the soldiers loading the back of the Big
Bertha canon....look at which side the door is hinged....and the wheel attached
to it's base....and then compare it with similar footage from the actual film.
Further telltale signs...compare the writing on the side of one of the
"projectiles"....it's backwards.....also when Charlie is lined up with the
soldiers...his watch chain is on the wrong side.

Most likely this happened by virtue of the film being discovered with the film
wound on the spool incorrectly - and nobody noticing. It could have easily been
corrected if whomever was handling the actual film examined it closely and
realized that the emulsion and base sides were flipped (or if they had noticed
the above details in projection.) Sadly...another flub to add to the pile.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 10:37 am
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burbank74 DeleteThis @aol.com (Burbank74) wrote in message news:<20030804090943.20330.00001489 DeleteThis @mb-m29.aol.com>...
> Most likely this happened by virtue of the film being discovered with the film
> wound on the spool incorrectly - and nobody noticing. It could have easily been
> corrected if whomever was handling the actual film examined it closely and
> realized that the emulsion and base sides were flipped (or if they had noticed
> the above details in projection.) Sadly...another flub to add to the pile.

Or it could be a safeguard against pirates. Not that anyone but the
estate would have access to the films, but who knows. I've found this
to be common practice in magazines with photographs.

-J. Theakston

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Mr. Moose

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 3:13 pm
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On 10 Aug 2003 10:37:11 -0700, tomservorobot.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (J. Theakston)
wrote:

>burbank74@aol.com (Burbank74) wrote in message news:<20030804090943.20330.00001489.RemoveThis@mb-m29.aol.com>...
>> Most likely this happened by virtue of the film being discovered with the film
>> wound on the spool incorrectly - and nobody noticing. It could have easily been
>> corrected if whomever was handling the actual film examined it closely and
>> realized that the emulsion and base sides were flipped (or if they had noticed
>> the above details in projection.) Sadly...another flub to add to the pile.
>
>Or it could be a safeguard against pirates. Not that anyone but the
>estate would have access to the films, but who knows. I've found this
>to be common practice in magazines with photographs.
>
>-J. Theakston

Isn't it as likely that they decided to flip the footage in Great
Dictator for some reason?

Mark
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:39 pm
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In article <de9djvgd7qddasqu0i7bjilvgh69e27ttu DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Mr. Moose
<mutantmoose DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 10 Aug 2003 10:37:11 -0700, tomservorobot DeleteThis @yahoo.com (J. Theakston)
> wrote:
>
> >burbank74@aol.com (Burbank74) wrote in message
> >news:<20030804090943.20330.00001489 DeleteThis @mb-m29.aol.com>...
> >> Most likely this happened by virtue of the film being discovered with the
> >> film
> >> wound on the spool incorrectly - and nobody noticing. It could have easily
> >> been
> >> corrected if whomever was handling the actual film examined it closely and
> >> realized that the emulsion and base sides were flipped (or if they had
> >> noticed
> >> the above details in projection.) Sadly...another flub to add to the pile.
> >
> >Or it could be a safeguard against pirates. Not that anyone but the
> >estate would have access to the films, but who knows. I've found this
> >to be common practice in magazines with photographs.
> >
> >-J. Theakston
>
> Isn't it as likely that they decided to flip the footage in Great
> Dictator for some reason?
>
> Mark

I think the overwhelmingly probability is (as I believe Bruce said)
that the film was simply wound backwards on the reel, and no one ever
noticed. Believe me, I've seen enough double sprocket 16mm with bits
accidently reversed - even Blackhawk's version of "His Trysting Place"
has a few shots like this.

Doug
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