S.E.E.D.

I have forgotten was S.E.E.D. was already
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Hey, I'm back! :)

Well...it certainly had problems, didn't it?

I think the two biggest problems were:

1. The script (I'll ditto Cov's 'bloody awful' for that)
2. Huge gaping holes in continuity (which could cause 1, above.)

3. just pretty bad acting...mostly.

The editing and sound were good (mostly), a lot of the photography was
great, most of the costuming was excellent.

I think somebody had the incredibly stupid idea to cut time by using
the interesting title sequence to tell a lot of the story...but that
doesn't work over/under the credits. Ever. At all. (See Frankenheimer's
DVD commentary on The Manchurian Candidate.) So, whatever coherence
that might have added, got lost.

The absolutely incoherent in sound quality, setting and acting of the
whole Weyland/Yutani merger thingy (I think I'm lucky to have figured
out that much). How hard could it have been to find a proper boardroom
instead of a picnic table? Yeesh. Or at least set up we're at some posh
country estate and not Uncle Bob's goat farm.

The whole 2-man swat team idea - nobody's gonna buy that, and those two
guys, well. I think the only human character who came close to
believable was the ol' general dude. All the bits with aliens and preds
worked ok for me (hinting at a dialogue/story problem here, I think.)
Pretty good (if inaccurate) work on pred-vision, too. However,
everything about getting those two guys into the story was pretty
pathetic.

Sound: well, it's not hard to beat Hollywood in that regard these days;
apparently the sound mixer/editor hasn't gone deaf. Yet.

Re-work the script, add about 10 minutes of coherent back-story, toss
in about a year of rehearsal and it might go somewhere.
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[don't have quoting sorted in Google yet; sorry. :) ]

>Other than some of the camera work was pretty dodgy and the editing a bit
>rough in places.

Yeah, a bit. If I can stand it, I may watch it again and try to figure
out if that was a 'second unit' problem or what, because a lot of it
was actually pretty good.

Re: the editing - I'm ready to put that down to the huge chunks of
missing story that apparently got whacked, probably due to budget. A
ton of the story is buried under the opening credits.

Well, they certainly were an enthusiastic lot, eh?

Speaking of enthusiastic....I remember when that CorpralHicks lad
showed up with his story ideas and scripts. Look at him now,
interviewing the hot mega-babes of SF, like Jeanette Goldstein. :) :)
:) Good on him!
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Corpral Hicks wrote:

> For me it was the FX and creature stuff I wasnt interested in. The editing
> was aweful and the story confusing but I got what I wanted. Good creatures.

Yep, damn good critters. :)

Anyway, I just watched it again, and....it actually got a little
better.

As to the editing - if we're not all confusing stylistic taste, I
_think_ what you guys are finding fault with in that regard is the
script - the biggest/ugliest 'editing' problem I saw is just the way
the whole thing is layed out, esp. the flashes to sniper-dude. I don't
think the editor decides how entire chunks of story are laid out; he
just makes the chunks and incidentally connects them.

For some reason, all the wilderness photography has a much more
professional feel than the urban stuff, and I can't figure out why.

The story....*sigh*. They tossed canon to the wind by making the
bio-weapon program a major impetus of Weyland-Yutani. I wish people
would actually pay attention to the movies (Alien and Predator) -
there's a TON of story in there, disguised as horror in the former and
Ahnold actioner in the latter.

The thing needed one funny scene - I'd have written swat-boys first
encounter with the pred as a comedic 'escape by the skin of their
teeth, WTF was that THING?!?!" piece.


Stuff that might have been cool if they'd made it plain: Did the early
Pred go insane or something due to the cold? I mean, those urban shots
_look_ kinda North American, autumnish, kinda brisk. And we know Preds
like it hot, hot, hot. His head was still leaking blood later on,
so...wierd. Or is this some nonsense from the comics I don't want to
know about?

Well, at least there's enough to it to talk about. That's a plus, I
suppose.

And Yutani (or was it Weyland?) definitely needed a vist from "Queer
Eye"; that suit was AWFUL. :)

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"Robert" <rdbake.TakeThisOut@prtcnet.org> wrote in message
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> Hey, I'm back! :)
>
> Well...it certainly had problems, didn't it?
>
> I think the two biggest problems were:
>
> 1. The script (I'll ditto Cov's 'bloody awful' for that)
> 2. Huge gaping holes in continuity (which could cause 1, above.)
>
> 3. just pretty bad acting...mostly.
>
> The editing and sound were good (mostly), a lot of the photography was
> great, most of the costuming was excellent.
>
> I think somebody had the incredibly stupid idea to cut time by using
> the interesting title sequence to tell a lot of the story...but that
> doesn't work over/under the credits. Ever. At all. (See Frankenheimer's
> DVD commentary on The Manchurian Candidate.) So, whatever coherence
> that might have added, got lost.
>
> The absolutely incoherent in sound quality, setting and acting of the
> whole Weyland/Yutani merger thingy (I think I'm lucky to have figured
> out that much). How hard could it have been to find a proper boardroom
> instead of a picnic table? Yeesh. Or at least set up we're at some posh
> country estate and not Uncle Bob's goat farm.
>
> The whole 2-man swat team idea - nobody's gonna buy that, and those two
> guys, well. I think the only human character who came close to
> believable was the ol' general dude. All the bits with aliens and preds
> worked ok for me (hinting at a dialogue/story problem here, I think.)
> Pretty good (if inaccurate) work on pred-vision, too. However,
> everything about getting those two guys into the story was pretty
> pathetic.
>
> Sound: well, it's not hard to beat Hollywood in that regard these days;
> apparently the sound mixer/editor hasn't gone deaf. Yet.
>
> Re-work the script, add about 10 minutes of coherent back-story, toss
> in about a year of rehearsal and it might go somewhere.



Saves me from saying anything really!!

;' ))

Other than some of the camera work was pretty dodgy and the editing a bit
rough in places.


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What *is* it?

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I'm thinking maybe looking back, I remember the site, and felt blessed
with the fact that I couldn't watch it on my Mac for some reason, and
indeed whether it was brilliant or not, I would possibly not feel
obliged to ever actually know.

Dom
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OK, looked at the script after my second viewing....omg. :) Yep, lots
of it didn't make the cut....but it wouldn't have helped anyway;
there's huge problems in the first 3-4 pages (which is as far as I
got). First up: our two "swat" boys were active duty military the
entire time...ah, huh? And _then_ they get re-instated to 'black ops'?
WTF is going on here?

Memo to the SEED crew: military advisors are a dime a dozen; ask around
and you'll get all sorts of help, gratis. Some of it probably
competent. :) First off - the US military (and they're supposed to be
US judging by the mongrelized uniform at the end; more on that later),
does NOT routinely engage in undercover law enforcement on US soil,
against US citizens, in civilian clothes, and certainly would never be
featured on the cover of a national magazine...except as part of
Congressional hearings in which heads are going to roll. If by chance
something like this _was_ done...the operators and their superiors are
so far beyond 'black ops' the idea of getting re-instated is laughable
- these guys are writing the black-op book, not reading it. The whole
thing as presented makes absolutely no sense.

The uniform: Oh dear. What _was_ that, anyway? The Navy doesn't wear
green, Marines aren't SEALs...and neither would take orders from an
Army general. (Unless it was joint black ops....*insert eye-roll*).
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Corpral Hicks wrote:

> Twas all over the place. Confusing edited ruined it.

Well, that and an utter lack of having important plot points make it
into production. :)
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"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What *is* it?


It's it!



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Robert wrote:
> Corpral Hicks wrote:
>
> > Twas all over the place. Confusing edited ruined it.
>
> Well, that and an utter lack of having important plot points make it
> into production. :)

Yeah, stinks of AR(se) - remember *that* abomination???!!!! :P
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Tracy wrote:

> Yeah, stinks of AR(se) - remember *that* abomination???!!!! :P

LOL, the one thing that had this group in a state of near-unanimity.
I've got a SciFi Channel tape (of They Live) that has Halloween promos
of their airing of the series...even THEY dissed it! Effin' hilarious.
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> seed
> ar
> a3
> a1
> a2

So you can't even bring yourself to admit AvP even exists?

(and it's SEED, A:R, AvP, As, A3, A, obviously ;-)
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