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Calvin <crice5.DeleteThis@windstream.net> wrote:

>This being the internet, which we all know is rife
>with misinformation ...

No more so than the watercooler at work.







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In article <1193170255.379055.209450 DeleteThis @v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Calvin <crice5 DeleteThis @windstream.net> wrote:
: On Oct 23, 3:39 pm, schu... DeleteThis @mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> In article <1193157999.475693.21... DeleteThis @z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Calvin <cri... DeleteThis @windstream.net> wrote:

:> : I'm sure you're more intelligent than I am, but I may
:> : not be as dumb as you think.

:> You do realize that if he agrees that you may not be as dumb as he thinks
:> you are, he probably doesn't mean it as a compliment, I hope.

: What a surprise. Mr. Schultz takes me out of phantom killfile
: retirement just to pile on.

I thought that *you* were the one who killfiled *me*. I would not normally
put someone as amusing as you in my killfile.

: This is only more of the high-school
: mentality that pervades this NG. Tell someone something
: that isn't true, and if he believes you, call him stupid.

One person called you stupid, and I think you have to give him a break,
since he hasn't seen his wife and son in more than a decade. The reason that
you leave the impression of not being the fastest boat in the fleet is
not that you believed something that wasn't true. It was that you continued
to defend this belief in the face of repeated patient explanations (far more
patient than you deserved, IMO) of why the belief was untrue.

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
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In article <1193202007.791254.205330.DeleteThis@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Calvin <crice5.DeleteThis@windstream.net> wrote:
: On Oct 24, 12:32 am, schu....DeleteThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:

:> One person called you stupid, and I think you have to give him a break,
:> since he hasn't seen his wife and son in more than a decade.

: I can't know that unless someone tells me.

<insert sound of hand slapping forehead>
<insert sound of earnest prayer that "No Man" won't be drinking his
morning coffee when he read the above exchange>

Let me put it more bluntly: if you want people to stop taking you for a
fool, then you have to do only one simple thing: stop making foolish
statements. (Simple -- not easy.)

: In this thread in general, one or two people have said that
: we are authorized to make DVD copies of our VHS tapes,
: in spite of what the prominent warnings seem to be saying.

No, one person has *cited the relevant statute* that demonstrates that
you are authorized to make DVD copies of your VHS tapes and at least one
other made a reference to copyright law in general.

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Richard Schultz schultr.DeleteThis@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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On Oct 24, 3:02 am, schu....RemoveThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> Calvin <cri....RemoveThis@windstream.net> wrote:
> : On Oct 24, 12:32 am, schu....RemoveThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> :> One person called you stupid, and I think you have to give him a break,
> :> since he hasn't seen his wife and son in more than a decade.

> : I can't know that unless someone tells me.

> <insert sound of hand slapping forehead>
> <insert sound of earnest prayer that "No Man" won't be drinking his
> morning coffee when he read the above exchange>
> Let me put it more bluntly: if you want people to stop taking you for a
> fool, then you have to do only one simple thing: stop making foolish
> statements. (Simple -- not easy.)

Tell me a lie and I'm going to believe you, unless I have a
reason not to believe you. I don't plan to change that, no
matter how many times you slap your forehead.

> : In this thread in general, one or two people have said that
> : we are authorized to make DVD copies of our VHS tapes,
> : in spite of what the prominent warnings seem to be saying.

> No, one person has *cited the relevant statute* that demonstrates that
> you are authorized to make DVD copies of your VHS tapes and at least one
> other made a reference to copyright law in general.

Often there are conflicting statutes. This thread opened up
to me a new possibility of what the truth is, and that should
be enough, I think.
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In article <1193146403.455826.128550 RemoveThis @e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Calvin <crice5 RemoveThis @windstream.net> wrote:

> No fallacy, because I left out the part that I thought everyone
> would assume: If there's an obvious market for something
> and it isn't sold, especially in this country dominated by
> evil capitalists, then it must be illegal to sell it. If it was
> legal to sell it to the ordinary 'consumer', it would be sold
> at Wal-Mart.

Well, lets see . . . how many ways is that statement wrong?

First, Wal-Mart doesn't sell everything they can. They heavily censor
their CD selection, for instance, which is fine; nobody with a brick and
mortar store is going to sell every CD that comes out. You probably
aren't going to find any kind of specialty item there.

And of course "this country dominated by evil capitalists" is just
bullshit.

And when you assumed up there, you made an 'ass' out of 'you' although
not, in this case, me.

I can think of all sorts of reasons stuff that's legal isn't sold. A
big one would be that it's just too expensive to start up. Or you can't
convince somebody upstream they should bother. Or you don't have the
clout to push something else off the shelves -- stores don't have empty
shelves, just waiting for the next big thing. They're full up, and to
add your product, something has to go.

So, okay, every part of that statement was wrong.

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On Oct 24, 10:40 am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R....TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <1193146403.455826.128....TakeThisOut@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Calvin <cri....TakeThisOut@windstream.net> wrote:
> > No fallacy, because I left out the part that I thought everyone
> > would assume: If there's an obvious market for something
> > and it isn't sold, especially in this country dominated by
> > evil capitalists, then it must be illegal to sell it. If it was
> > legal to sell it to the ordinary 'consumer', it would be sold
> > at Wal-Mart.
> Well, lets see . . . how many ways is that statement wrong?
> First, Wal-Mart doesn't sell everything they can. They heavily censor
> their CD selection, for instance, which is fine; nobody with a brick and
> mortar store is going to sell every CD that comes out. You probably
> aren't going to find any kind of specialty item there.
> And of course "this country dominated by evil capitalists" is just
> bullshit.
> And when you assumed up there, you made an 'ass' out of 'you' although
> not, in this case, me.
> I can think of all sorts of reasons stuff that's legal isn't sold. A
> big one would be that it's just too expensive to start up. Or you can't
> convince somebody upstream they should bother. Or you don't have the
> clout to push something else off the shelves -- stores don't have empty
> shelves, just waiting for the next big thing. They're full up, and to
> add your product, something has to go.
>
> So, okay, every part of that statement was wrong.

Except that ""this country dominated by evil capitalists" was
sarcasm. I worship capitalism, and capitalists in general.
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There's a story in our town about that Civil War going down. And lots of
scum rose up in that cesspool, as in other wars, which is the very
reason for the present one. And into our village loped a scoundrel, now
made a captain of a squad of horse in the rebel army. And our fearless
and plainspoke blacksmith, an eldery gent with the modern name of C C
Ridings, scoffed at the new officer openly. "Why, he's nothing but a
hossthief who has been ridden out of the territory!"

So the newly-minted officer rode into the blacksmith shop with three
horse under arms and proclaimed, "Sir, I don't appreciated bein' called
a hossthief," whereupon Mr Ridings replied, "Sir, I'd suggest you stop
stealing horses."

The best moral for this story is:


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'... my name is Noman; this is what my father and mother and my friends
have always called me.' - Odyssey; Book IX
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Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:

> Too bad you're not smart enough not to eat at MacDonald's.

Who said I ever dined there? Shoot, best diet secret in the universe.
You just spend your lunch hour lined up behind a Mickey D employee.




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have always called me.' - Odyssey; Book IX
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Calvin wrote:

> Now there's a statement that I know is false. I'm not
> biting this time.

Here's another: *All* my statements are false.



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No Man wrote:
> Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:
>
>> Too bad you're not smart enough not to eat at MacDonald's.
>
> Who said I ever dined there? Shoot, best diet secret in the universe.
> You just spend your lunch hour lined up behind a Mickey D employee.

Sounds a little pervy to me, but hey, I do my own cooking from scratch
or go to a restaurant with waiters and some concept of what food
actually looks and tastes like.

--
Frank in Seattle
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In the Year of the Golden Pig, the Great and Powerful Calvin declared:
>
> Some of the more recent FBI warnings, though, include
> the words, "even if not for commercial gain". It's true that
> these words have to be applied to everything else that those
> warnings and codes referenced say.

No, it means that it's equally illegal to burn a movie to DVD and
sell it on the streets of New York as it is to put it on Bitorrent
for free.

--
Sean O'Hara <http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com>
Fisk: The passengers should be your first concern, yet I find you
drunkenly looking on as they are attacked and killed. Well?
Rigg: They're only economy class; what's all the fuss about?
-Doctor Who
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On Oct 24, 12:32 pm, schu....RemoveThis@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In article <1193233082.733729.51....RemoveThis@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Calvin <cri....RemoveThis@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> :> :> One person called you stupid, and I think you have to give him a break,
> :> :> since he hasn't seen his wife and son in more than a decade.
>
> :> : I can't know that unless someone tells me.
>
> :> <insert sound of hand slapping forehead>
>
> : Tell me a lie and I'm going to believe you, unless I have a
> : reason not to believe you. I don't plan to change that, no
> : matter how many times you slap your forehead.
>
> The forehead slap (in lieu of hitting my head against the wall) was due
> to disbelief that any educated person could fail to get the allusion --
> especially since "No Man" took the trouble of including the origin of
> his pseudonym in his .sig file. Which, FWIW, proves that he's not as
> clever as he thinks he is -- if he were that clever, he would have assumed
> that any Westerner who had a reasonable education would have realized where
> he got his pseudonym without needing any help. Actually, if he were that
> clever, he would have included an allusion to the Pelennor Fields (not the
> actual quote, mind you).

I had seen his allusion to The Odyssey, but I have been conditioned
not to make anything out of quotations in people's sigs. I once
made a reference to one of your sigs, and you chastized me for
doing so, even though I believe that your rotation of them is not
random.

I also knew that Odysseus was away from home for a decade or
more, the length of time of the seige of Troy, plus the time of
his extended voyage home.

You can pretend that I don't know these things if you like, just
as you pretended that I didn't know that Starbuck was a
character in Moby Dick, not matter how many times I protested.

Once you have decided to grind my neck into the mud with
your jackboot, with your goose-stepping cronies all cheering
you on, there's nothing I can do to stop you.

The fact is, though, that when you said the person calling me
stupid hadn't seen his wife and son in a decade, the Odyssey
reference didn't pop into my mind, nor when you slapped your
forehead. You seem to think that my mind should be tuned
in to your mental connections; simply because it is YOU, I
suppose. I'm not tuned in to the way you think, and I don't
want to be. You are a horrible person, in my estimation, for
whom your massive ego justifies whatever you choose to do.
Not unlike those heel-clickers who wore swastikas.
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On Oct 24, 12:21 pm, No Man <woes....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Calvin wrote:
> > Now there's a statement that I know is false. I'm not
> > biting this time.
>
> Here's another: *All* my statements are false.

We all have heard such paradoxes.
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