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Since: Jul 02, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:02 pm
Post subject: What drives Oracle?
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From the movies, we can understand (or I have :-| ) that the way
everything has happened is because of Oracle. I mean that she made the
circumstances the way they are. She guided Morpheus (To find Neo), Neo
(To make a right choice), and Trinity (fall in love with the One). She
even guided Niobe (I think), to help Neo (gave him her ship).
Everything that happens in the tale has some connection to the Oracle,
that's clear. Now the question is... Why? Why does it ('she' is a mere
program) do all that? The Oracle is "an intuitive program, initially
created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche". Or we can
say that it has a role to play in the Architect's iterative games over
humans. It does its job correctly five times, then why sixth time it
does something else? Why it helps humans? Too kind? I don't think so.
One thing I can think is that she (back to normal title) was initially
created to understand humans to make the Matrix work, so she might
have got to know the right thing to do. Since she can understand
humans, she can understand their misery and suffering, and decides to
help them.(?) |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:38 am
Post subject: Re: What drives Oracle? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Shekhar Somani wrote:
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> From the movies, we can understand (or I have :-| ) that the way
> everything has happened is because of Oracle. I mean that she made the
> circumstances the way they are. She guided Morpheus (To find Neo), Neo
> (To make a right choice), and Trinity (fall in love with the One). She
> even guided Niobe (I think), to help Neo (gave him her ship).
In all of this, she played a dangerous game. Or so said the Architect.
It's obvious that the Oracle is in cahoots with the Architect,
so I don't know why Morpheus trusts her.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:02 pm
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"Shekhar Somani" <Shekhar_D_S.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
news:cede900a.0409292002.6b8b8f67@posting.google.com...
> From the movies, we can understand (or I have :-| ) that the way
> everything has happened is because of Oracle. I mean that she made the
> circumstances the way they are. She guided Morpheus (To find Neo), Neo
> (To make a right choice), and Trinity (fall in love with the One). She
> even guided Niobe (I think), to help Neo (gave him her ship).
>
> Everything that happens in the tale has some connection to the Oracle,
> that's clear. Now the question is... Why? Why does it ('she' is a mere
> program) do all that? The Oracle is "an intuitive program, initially
> created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche". Or we can
> say that it has a role to play in the Architect's iterative games over
> humans. It does its job correctly five times, then why sixth time it
> does something else? Why it helps humans? Too kind? I don't think so.
>
> One thing I can think is that she (back to normal title) was initially
> created to understand humans to make the Matrix work, so she might
> have got to know the right thing to do. Since she can understand
> humans, she can understand their misery and suffering, and decides to
> help them.(?)
Like you said her purpose was to understand (learn about) humans to make the
Matrix works. I think that see learned about the humans (during the first 5
matrix versions) that it was for the best for the matrix to give the humans
a free choice (to stay in the matrix or to unplug). I think that the
architect didn't believe her, because he can only "balance the equation".
That's why she choose to "help" to humans to create this new
(revolutionised) matrix. She didn't do it for the humans, she did it to
improve the Matrix, so the humans and the machines could "live" better.
Well that's my view on it... What do you think?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:23 pm
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Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas snoot of a fully charged icing
anointment utensil, Sean <no.spam DeleteThis @no.spam> poots forth...
>Shekhar Somani wrote:
>>
>> From the movies, we can understand (or I have :-| ) that the way
>> everything has happened is because of Oracle. I mean that she made the
>> circumstances the way they are. She guided Morpheus (To find Neo), Neo
>> (To make a right choice), and Trinity (fall in love with the One). She
>> even guided Niobe (I think), to help Neo (gave him her ship).
>
>In all of this, she played a dangerous game. Or so said the Architect.
>
>It's obvious that the Oracle is in cahoots with the Architect,
Well, in a way I guess, but...
>so I don't know why Morpheus trusts her.
Morpheus is unaware of the existence of the Architect.
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Gavin Smith, back
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:26 pm
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Sean wrote in news:415B8E71.D0302E2F@no.spam:
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> Shekhar Somani wrote:
> >
> > From the movies, we can understand (or I have :-| ) that the way
> > everything has happened is because of Oracle. I mean that she made
> > the circumstances the way they are. She guided Morpheus (To find
> > Neo), Neo (To make a right choice), and Trinity (fall in love with
> > the One). She even guided Niobe (I think), to help Neo (gave him
> > her ship).
>
> In all of this, she played a dangerous game. Or so said the Architect.
>
> It's obvious that the Oracle is in cahoots with the Architect,
> so I don't know why Morpheus trusts her.
We don't know that she's in cahoots with the Architect until near the end of
Reloaded, and even then it is only blatantly clear to those of us who were
paying attention. And Morpheus never really realizes this, because he never
even meets the Architect.
In fact, I don't think Neo ever told anyone anything about him. The only
time Neo ever references the Architect to anyone human is at the end of
Reloaded, and when someone asks who, he answers, "It doesn't matter. I
believed him."
Then at the beginning of Revolutions, Morpheus questions how he can trust
the Oracle again, and she reminds him that he doesn't have to. This is
probably the best way to get anyone to trust you, and it works beautifully
on Morpheus who so badly wants to believe. >> Stay informed about: What drives Oracle? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:35 pm
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"JPM III" <jpmccord.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2u26vgF24mssqU1.TakeThisOut@uni-berlin.de>...
> Sean wrote in news:415B8E71.D0302E2F@no.spam:
> >
> > Shekhar Somani wrote:
> > >
> > > From the movies, we can understand (or I have :-| ) that the way
> > > everything has happened is because of Oracle. I mean that she made
> > > the circumstances the way they are. She guided Morpheus (To find
> > > Neo), Neo (To make a right choice), and Trinity (fall in love with
> > > the One). She even guided Niobe (I think), to help Neo (gave him
> > > her ship).
> >
> > In all of this, she played a dangerous game. Or so said the Architect.
> >
> > It's obvious that the Oracle is in cahoots with the Architect,
> > so I don't know why Morpheus trusts her.
>
> We don't know that she's in cahoots with the Architect until near the end of
> Reloaded, and even then it is only blatantly clear to those of us who were
> paying attention. And Morpheus never really realizes this, because he never
> even meets the Architect.
>
> In fact, I don't think Neo ever told anyone anything about him. The only
> time Neo ever references the Architect to anyone human is at the end of
> Reloaded, and when someone asks who, he answers, "It doesn't matter. I
> believed him."
>
> Then at the beginning of Revolutions, Morpheus questions how he can trust
> the Oracle again, and she reminds him that he doesn't have to. This is
> probably the best way to get anyone to trust you, and it works beautifully
> on Morpheus who so badly wants to believe.
But... :-\ what happened to my question? W h a t d r i v e s O r a
c l e to help humans? >> Stay informed about: What drives Oracle? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:19 am
Post subject: Re: What drives Oracle? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Maybe she's helping the humans because that will help the matrix
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Maybe she is, but maybe not. I guess you mean "machines" by "the
matrix", for machines things are going fine. The Ones coming and Zion
being destroyed to remove the anomaly. The question is, why she helps
humans? why she guides Neo so he chooses a different door in
Architect's room? Why a mere program starts doing something that 'it'
is not made for? However, this makes you wonder about a lot of
things... why don't the machines remove the Oracle program, or reset it
and start its new instance when she starts helping humans? Why did they
allow her doing all that? >> Stay informed about: What drives Oracle? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:32 pm
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Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas snoot of a fully charged icing
anointment utensil, Shekhar <Shekhar_D_S.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> poots forth...
>> Maybe she's helping the humans because that will help the matrix
>
>Maybe she is, but maybe not. I guess you mean "machines" by "the
>matrix", for machines things are going fine. The Ones coming and Zion
>being destroyed to remove the anomaly. The question is, why she helps
>humans? why she guides Neo so he chooses a different door in
>Architect's room? Why a mere program starts doing something that 'it'
>is not made for? However, this makes you wonder about a lot of
>things... why don't the machines remove the Oracle program, or reset it
>and start its new instance when she starts helping humans? Why did they
>allow her doing all that?
I think the Oracle was essential to the path of the anomaly as the
Architect wanted that path to be navigated. A machine 'biased' Guide was
essential in steering the 'choice' of the anomaly, which is why no
confrontation between the Architect and the Oracle took place - because
he thought she was doing her job. But she was a subversive.
What the Architect wasn't expecting, in this latest reload of the
Matrix, was for the Oracle to counsel a path that, given Neo's status as
the true One rather than a 'mere' anomaly, would allow him to end the
war, rather than simply loop it.
As to why she helped humans - she gives a fairly direct answer to that
in Revolutions: She wanted to see an end to the war. Her deeper
motivations are, of course, unknown.
--
Gavin Smith
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