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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:19 pm
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Wow.


<snip>
> I won't try to debate this any further since you obviously don't really
> care about other people's opinions or what they tell you.

------First of all, I DO care about other people's opinions. I'm just
looking to bring some discussion and debate to an otherwise slumping
newsgroup. This is a forum to discuss "The Matrix", isn't it?


<snip>

You're keeping to your distroted version of the movies and there's no way of
making you understand them.

------A perfect way to make me understand would be for somebody to ACTUALLY
RESPOND TO THE POINTS I'VE LAID OUT.

I'll give you an example: Let's say you think the earth is round, and I
think the earth is flat. I make a post like this: "The earth is flat.
There are too many inconsistencies with the 'round earth' theory. The 'flat
earth' theory better explains things like gravity, seasons, and the rising
and setting sun."
Now, a GOOD response to a post like that would be, "Are you crazy? The
world is ROUND. Here are some photographs of the earth from space. It sure
looks round to me. During an eclipse, the earth's shadow on the moon is
round. When a ship sails into the distance, the last thing you see is its'
mast. If you travel north or south, different stars are visible at night.
These things can't happen on a flat earth.".
A USELESS response to a post like that would be, "You just don't
understand.", or "you're missing the point.", or "you seem to have a weak
understading of astronomy.".

I've been getting the latter from you people.

Matty-o




You're not the first of this kind in this newsgroup and I have the
> feeling you won't be the last. If you really want to understand what the
> "The One mumbo-jumbo" is all about please rewatch the movies and pay some
> attention. I believe rewatching Reloaded only will make you understand but
> it's better you rewatch the three of them just in case. If you want to
> keep to your self-proclaimed best vision of the World then don't bother
> posting.
>
> "m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt DeleteThis @codfdfmcast.net> escreveu na mensagem
> news:QK-dnQzh-Kfk0gvcRVn-3A@comcast.com...
>>I believe the CORRECT quote was"....entire crops were lost.", not "the
>>entire crop was lost". Anyway.......
>>
>> It seems like a TON of work to orchestrate the whole "the one" thing.
>> Like I've said before, it might be much easier if Zion were destroyed
>> completely and NOT repopulated. Then, the people who wanted out of the
>> matrix could be "led out" by programs posing as humans. When they're
>> out, they're killed. Nice, easy, and MUCH less hassle than devoting
>> several hundred thousand sentinals to a raid on Zion every couple hundred
>> years.
>>
>> By the way, I think few people are taking part in this thread because
>> nobody has been able to refute anything I've said. The only responses
>> I've seen to my posts have been along the lines of "You don't
>> understand", or "You missed the point". While provocative, these
>> comments HARDLY constitute a "counter-point" to my "point".
>>
>> Once again, I welcome somebody to join the debate with something valid.
>>
>> Matty-o
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think if not many people are taking part in this thread is because
>>> you are exhibiting such an ignorance about the Matrix movies that they
>>> do not feel it is worthwhile to educate you.
>>> Looking at your first message, my perception is that you haven't even
>>> seen the movies but have a feeling of the story just by reading some
>>> threads in this group.
>>> If you have really seen the movies, you must remember these words -
>>> "the entire crop was lost"
>>> Now - tell us what you understand by those words and why should the
>>> machines be bothered by that.
>>>
>>> _SK
>>
>>
>
>

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:08 pm
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In article <zOWdnQhQZbRvZQncRVn-og.DeleteThis@comcast.com>,
"m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt.DeleteThis@codfdfmcast.net> wrote:

> >> Blah, Blah, Blah.......
> >> First off, I can't believe I'm having a matter-of-fact debate on the
> >> science
> >> of the MATRIX universe.
> >> Tell me when they tried it MY (the easier) way, and failed. You
> >> acknowledged yourself that the ONE time they DIDN'T do it the "preferred"
> >> way, all was well.
> >
> > You seem to have a weak understanding of the matrix movies. I encourage
> > you to
> > not post any further since that would carry the risk of you exposing lack
> > of
> > such understanding further.
> >
> > Meanwhile, teletubbies is an easy-to-access form of entertainment that may
> > suite you better.
> >
>
> Ahhh. Ad Hominem attack. Nice. If you're not interested in a healthy
> debate, just say so (I can only assume that you AREN'T interested in a
> healthy debate, since you haven't refuted anything I've said).

You seem to have mistaken your posts as base for a healthy debate.

> By the way, It appears that if I stopped posting, there wouldn't be much
> going on in this group at all.

Oh, the horror. We are so lucky to have you here to save this group from the
pits of hell.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:13 pm
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In article <QK-dnQzh-Kfk0gvcRVn-3A RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
"m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt RemoveThis @codfdfmcast.net> wrote:

> I believe the CORRECT quote was"....entire crops were lost.", not "the
> entire crop was lost". Anyway.......
>
> It seems like a TON of work to orchestrate the whole "the one" thing. Like
> I've said before, it might be much easier if Zion were destroyed completely
> and NOT repopulated. Then, the people who wanted out of the matrix could be
> "led out" by programs posing as humans. When they're out, they're killed.
> Nice, easy, and MUCH less hassle than devoting several hundred thousand
> sentinals to a raid on Zion every couple hundred years.
>
> By the way, I think few people are taking part in this thread because nobody
> has been able to refute anything I've said. The only responses I've seen to
> my posts have been along the lines of "You don't understand", or "You
> missed the point". While provocative, these comments HARDLY constitute a
> "counter-point" to my "point".

You don't HAVE a point. You are making absolute statements regarding a movie to
which you didn't write the script, while being childishly arrogant. Why dod you
imagine anyone here would like to discuss any of that with you?

Since all of these topics have been discussed about a gazillion times here
already, whatever you just came up with after seeing the Matrix trailer just
won't add much to the collective speculations here.

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:59 am
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Hello,

What movie did you watch ?
you say it would be easy to pull the plug of the rebels.
WHAT PLUG ? they are not connected to the matrix anymore.

Watch the movie again...

thanks,

Giovanni

"m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt.DeleteThis@codfdfmcast.net> wrote in message news:<-oCdnZ3y_qwi9AzcRVn-pA.DeleteThis@comcast.com>...
> ....to just kill off everybody in Zion, and just "pull the plug" on the
> trouble makers as they make themselves known?
>
>
> Matty-o
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:07 am
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In article <u8qdnf4_8bOCmQXcRVn-iw.RemoveThis@comcast.com>,
"m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt.RemoveThis@codfdfmcast.net> wrote:

> You're keeping to your distroted version of the movies and there's no way of
> making you understand them.
>
> ------A perfect way to make me understand would be for somebody to ACTUALLY
> RESPOND TO THE POINTS I'VE LAID OUT.

There -are- no points to respond to. You have no points. All your posts are the
direct result of you not understanding the movies. There is nothing to reply
short of explaining in great detail to you what the movies is about - but we
won't do that - we will encourage you to watch the movies again - since that
will give you all the answers you need on this issue. There is no need for us
to repeat the movie script verbatim.

> I'll give you an example: Let's say you think the earth is round, and I
> think the earth is flat. I make a post like this: "The earth is flat.
> There are too many inconsistencies with the 'round earth' theory. The 'flat
> earth' theory better explains things like gravity, seasons, and the rising
> and setting sun."
> Now, a GOOD response to a post like that would be, "Are you crazy? The
> world is ROUND. Here are some photographs of the earth from space. It sure
> looks round to me. During an eclipse, the earth's shadow on the moon is
> round. When a ship sails into the distance, the last thing you see is its'
> mast. If you travel north or south, different stars are visible at night.
> These things can't happen on a flat earth.".

We're doing better than that - we're telling you to look at the earth to find
out for yourself. It's right there - go look. You can't miss it - it's HUGE.

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:03 pm
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Who the hell do you think people like neo are rescuing from the matrix?

Matty-o

"Giovanni" <jjcuzz DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> What movie did you watch ?
> you say it would be easy to pull the plug of the rebels.
> WHAT PLUG ? they are not connected to the matrix anymore.
>
> Watch the movie again...
>
> thanks,
>
> Giovanni
>
> "m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt DeleteThis @codfdfmcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<-oCdnZ3y_qwi9AzcRVn-pA DeleteThis @comcast.com>...
>> ....to just kill off everybody in Zion, and just "pull the plug" on the
>> trouble makers as they make themselves known?
>>
>>
>> Matty-o
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:26 am
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I am sorry, but I dont know what you are talking about.
You said it would be easier to unplug people from Zion ?
Unplug them from what ?

Giovanni


> Who the hell do you think people like neo are rescuing from the matrix?
>
> Matty-o
>
> "Giovanni" <jjcuzz.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e90f2549.0411150959.57a38185@posting.google.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > What movie did you watch ?
> > you say it would be easy to pull the plug of the rebels.
> > WHAT PLUG ? they are not connected to the matrix anymore.
> >
> > Watch the movie again...
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Giovanni
> >
> > "m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt.DeleteThis@codfdfmcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:<-oCdnZ3y_qwi9AzcRVn-pA.DeleteThis@comcast.com>...
> >> ....to just kill off everybody in Zion, and just "pull the plug" on the
> >> trouble makers as they make themselves known?
> >>
> >>
> >> Matty-o
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:15 am
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Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas snoot of a fully charged icing
anointment utensil, Giovanni <jjcuzz.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> poots forth...

>What movie did you watch ?
>you say it would be easy to pull the plug of the rebels.
>WHAT PLUG ? they are not connected to the matrix anymore.

I think he means those who are still plugged in. Which technically means
that they're not rebels yet - hence the confusion.

This whole thread seems to be based on confusion.

>Watch the movie again...
>
>thanks,
>
>Giovanni
>
>"m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt.RemoveThis@codfdfmcast.net> wrote in message
>news:<-oCdnZ3y_qwi9AzcRVn-pA.RemoveThis@comcast.com>...
>> ....to just kill off everybody in Zion, and just "pull the plug" on the
>> trouble makers as they make themselves known?


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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:37 pm
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m Nov 9, 5:07 pm show options

"....to just kill off everybody in Zion, and just "pull the plug" on
the
trouble makers as they make themselves known?"

I might miss understood, but you wrote "pull the plug" on the
troublemakers.
What did you mean with that ?

thanks,

Giovanni





m wrote:
> Please, point me in the direction of the post where I said people
could be
> "unplugged from Zion".
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:46 pm
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Please, point me in the direction of the post where I said people could be
"unplugged from Zion".

Matty-o



"Giovanni" <jjcuzz.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am sorry, but I dont know what you are talking about.
> You said it would be easier to unplug people from Zion ?
> Unplug them from what ?
>
> Giovanni
>
>
>> Who the hell do you think people like neo are rescuing from the matrix?
>>
>> Matty-o
>>
>> "Giovanni" <jjcuzz.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e90f2549.0411150959.57a38185@posting.google.com...
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > What movie did you watch ?
>> > you say it would be easy to pull the plug of the rebels.
>> > WHAT PLUG ? they are not connected to the matrix anymore.
>> >
>> > Watch the movie again...
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > Giovanni
>> >
>> > "m" <michdfalikdgfdfmatt.TakeThisOut@codfdfmcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:<-oCdnZ3y_qwi9AzcRVn-pA.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>...
>> >> ....to just kill off everybody in Zion, and just "pull the plug" on
>> >> the
>> >> trouble makers as they make themselves known?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matty-o
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:23 am
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I should have put "trouble makers" in quotes. By "trouble makers", I meant
the people who were still plugged into the matrix, but who were close to
being rescued by the likes of Neo and Morpheus.

M

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>m Nov 9, 5:07 pm show options
>
> "....to just kill off everybody in Zion, and just "pull the plug" on
> the
> trouble makers as they make themselves known?"
>
> I might miss understood, but you wrote "pull the plug" on the
> troublemakers.
> What did you mean with that ?
>
> thanks,
>
> Giovanni
>
>
>
>
>
> m wrote:
>> Please, point me in the direction of the post where I said people
> could be
>> "unplugged from Zion".
>
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:30 pm
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> <jjcuzz.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1103575053.462437.28730@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>m Nov 9, 5:07 pm show options
>>
>> "....to just kill off everybody in Zion

Believe it or not, but The Matrix has two sequels which are based on this
idea.
Hope I didn't spoil anything.

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