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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:32 am
Post subject: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy
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Hello out there...
iīve been re-watching Matrix this evening and think i understood the matrix
"universe" as intended by the filmmakers.
i wonder if the scene in the office cubicles contains a severe flaw in the
script: morpheus directs neo with the cell phone to the empty office. (" how
do you know all this") Before he reaches it, an anonymous office co-worker
standing at a copy maschine watches him.
Arenīt any "people who are still plugged potential agents" ? ( quote from
morpheus during the training program) So shouldnīt this "copy guy" be
cheating to the system where neo is ?
Just a thought... Is there an intellectual "escape" from what i think is a
flaw in the script ?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:07 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:11 am
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Harald Reinholdt <news:c9thl7$2q5$1@online.de>:
> Hello out there...
>
> iīve been re-watching Matrix this evening and think i understood the
> matrix "universe" as intended by the filmmakers.
>
> i wonder if the scene in the office cubicles contains a severe flaw
> in the script: morpheus directs neo with the cell phone to the empty
> office. (" how do you know all this") Before he reaches it, an
> anonymous office co-worker standing at a copy maschine watches him.
>
> Arenīt any "people who are still plugged potential agents" ? ( quote
> from morpheus during the training program) So shouldnīt this "copy
> guy" be cheating to the system where neo is ?
>
> Just a thought... Is there an intellectual "escape" from what i think
> is a flaw in the script ?
The Agents came in via limos, the elevator, etc. and then asked Neo's
coworkers where he was. They were doing everything they could to play it
normal for all the people inside. Besides, Neo couldn't escape via any
normal method, so there was no need for any of that. >> Stay informed about: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:32 am
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I don't think the Agents knew what he looked like yet, they only had a
name from when they tapped Trinity and saw what she was writing to him which
is also why the guy points to his cubicle when Neo looks up over the cubicle
cuz he's pointing him out to the Agents. Hope this makes sense.
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"Harald Reinholdt" <h.reinholdtNEINZUJUNK DeleteThis @GMX.DE> wrote in message
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> Hello out there...
>
> iīve been re-watching Matrix this evening and think i understood the
matrix
> "universe" as intended by the filmmakers.
>
> i wonder if the scene in the office cubicles contains a severe flaw in the
> script: morpheus directs neo with the cell phone to the empty office. ("
how
> do you know all this") Before he reaches it, an anonymous office co-worker
> standing at a copy maschine watches him.
>
> Arenīt any "people who are still plugged potential agents" ? ( quote from
> morpheus during the training program) So shouldnīt this "copy guy" be
> cheating to the system where neo is ?
>
> Just a thought... Is there an intellectual "escape" from what i think is a
> flaw in the script ?
>
> Greetings from germany,
>
> Bye, Harry
>
> >> Stay informed about: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:21 pm
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seems pretty good to me.
"Erik Muna" <petfish DeleteThis @shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> I don't think the Agents knew what he looked like yet, they only had a
> name from when they tapped Trinity and saw what she was writing to him
which
> is also why the guy points to his cubicle when Neo looks up over the
cubicle
> cuz he's pointing him out to the Agents. Hope this makes sense.
>
> --
> Erik Muna
> Freelance Web Design & Graphic Arts
> www.erikmuna.com ... my online portfolio
> ICQ: 13466765
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>
>
> "Harald Reinholdt" <h.reinholdtNEINZUJUNK DeleteThis @GMX.DE> wrote in message
> news:c9thl7$2q5$1@online.de...
> > Hello out there...
> >
> > iīve been re-watching Matrix this evening and think i understood the
> matrix
> > "universe" as intended by the filmmakers.
> >
> > i wonder if the scene in the office cubicles contains a severe flaw in
the
> > script: morpheus directs neo with the cell phone to the empty office. ("
> how
> > do you know all this") Before he reaches it, an anonymous office
co-worker
> > standing at a copy maschine watches him.
> >
> > Arenīt any "people who are still plugged potential agents" ? ( quote
from
> > morpheus during the training program) So shouldnīt this "copy guy" be
> > cheating to the system where neo is ?
> >
> > Just a thought... Is there an intellectual "escape" from what i think is
a
> > flaw in the script ?
> >
> > Greetings from germany,
> >
> > Bye, Harry
> >
> >
>
> >> Stay informed about: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:51 pm
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Adam.TakeThisOut@Fake-email.com wrote:
> maybe the agents didn't want to cause a scene by having people witness a
> coworker morph into someone else.
>
> also morpheous later said that the agents underestimated him, so maybe they
> didn't even want to use too much energy in capturing him....
Surely if the Matrix delivers visual information to those plugged in, it
could simply deliver the image of the original person even though they
were now controlled by an agent? >> Stay informed about: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:51 pm
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This is not possible because the agent destroys the incoming signal from the
pod person. Without the live feed there would be no possibility for a live
avatar of the individual.
-Knowledge
"James Willmott" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
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> Adam.RemoveThis@Fake-email.com wrote:
> > maybe the agents didn't want to cause a scene by having people witness a
> > coworker morph into someone else.
> >
> > also morpheous later said that the agents underestimated him, so maybe
they
> > didn't even want to use too much energy in capturing him....
>
> Surely if the Matrix delivers visual information to those plugged in, it
> could simply deliver the image of the original person even though they
> were now controlled by an agent?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:51 pm
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Smith is only a shell. He doesn't destroy the live feed. He just takes over
their virtual location and uses their life functions to sustain his clone.
There is only one original Smith program in the Matrix. All the clones
require the "programs" of the plugged in humans to function.
Knowledge <news:n5Vwc.689302$oR5.45473@pd7tw3no>:
> This is not possible because the agent destroys the incoming signal
> from the pod person. Without the live feed there would be no
> possibility for a live avatar of the individual.
>
> -Knowledge
>
> "James Willmott" <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40c400b0$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> >
> > Adam.TakeThisOut@Fake-email.com wrote:
> > > maybe the agents didn't want to cause a scene by having people
> > > witness a coworker morph into someone else.
> > >
> > > also morpheous later said that the agents underestimated him, so
> > > maybe they didn't even want to use too much energy in capturing
> > > him....
> >
> > Surely if the Matrix delivers visual information to those plugged
> > in, it could simply deliver the image of the original person even
> > though they were now controlled by an agent? >> Stay informed about: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:12 am
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I see what you are saying, but I have to disagree - somewhat. I think that
Smith uses the space the pod person occupies, so that he can copy himself
and function in the matrix - like he is taking up some space on the matrix
HD.
-Knowledge
"JPM III" <jpmccord.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Smith is only a shell. He doesn't destroy the live feed. He just takes
over
> their virtual location and uses their life functions to sustain his clone.
> There is only one original Smith program in the Matrix. All the clones
> require the "programs" of the plugged in humans to function.
>
>
> Knowledge <news:n5Vwc.689302$oR5.45473@pd7tw3no>:
> > This is not possible because the agent destroys the incoming signal
> > from the pod person. Without the live feed there would be no
> > possibility for a live avatar of the individual.
> >
> > -Knowledge
> >
> > "James Willmott" <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:40c400b0$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > >
> > >
> > > Adam.TakeThisOut@Fake-email.com wrote:
> > > > maybe the agents didn't want to cause a scene by having people
> > > > witness a coworker morph into someone else.
> > > >
> > > > also morpheous later said that the agents underestimated him, so
> > > > maybe they didn't even want to use too much energy in capturing
> > > > him....
> > >
> > > Surely if the Matrix delivers visual information to those plugged
> > > in, it could simply deliver the image of the original person even
> > > though they were now controlled by an agent?
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:12 am
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I don't think he could be doing that. If that were the case, the Matrix
keepers would have his code, and he would be eradicated without much of a
struggle.
Knowledge <news:zg9xc.701831$oR5.114884@pd7tw3no>:
> I see what you are saying, but I have to disagree - somewhat. I think
> that Smith uses the space the pod person occupies, so that he can
> copy himself and function in the matrix - like he is taking up some
> space on the matrix HD.
>
> -Knowledge
>
> "JPM III" <jpmccord.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2ijh85Fnnf39U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Smith is only a shell. He doesn't destroy the live feed. He just
> > takes over their virtual location and uses their life functions to
> > sustain his clone. There is only one original Smith program in the
> > Matrix. All the clones require the "programs" of the plugged in
> > humans to function.
> >
> >
> > Knowledge <news:n5Vwc.689302$oR5.45473@pd7tw3no>:
> > > This is not possible because the agent destroys the incoming
> > > signal from the pod person. Without the live feed there would be
> > > no possibility for a live avatar of the individual.
> > >
> > > -Knowledge
> > >
> > > "James Willmott" <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> > > news:40c400b0$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Adam.RemoveThis@Fake-email.com wrote:
> > > > > maybe the agents didn't want to cause a scene by having people
> > > > > witness a coworker morph into someone else.
> > > > >
> > > > > also morpheous later said that the agents underestimated him,
> > > > > so maybe they didn't even want to use too much energy in
> > > > > capturing him....
> > > >
> > > > Surely if the Matrix delivers visual information to those
> > > > plugged in, it could simply deliver the image of the original
> > > > person even though they were now controlled by an agent? >> Stay informed about: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:19 am
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I don't think so, because they are not static, they are constantly moving
around in the system cache. Look at the exiles - they have to choose
deletion.
-Knowledge
"JPM III" <jpmccord.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think he could be doing that. If that were the case, the Matrix
> keepers would have his code, and he would be eradicated without much of a
> struggle.
>
> Knowledge <news:zg9xc.701831$oR5.114884@pd7tw3no>:
> > I see what you are saying, but I have to disagree - somewhat. I think
> > that Smith uses the space the pod person occupies, so that he can
> > copy himself and function in the matrix - like he is taking up some
> > space on the matrix HD.
> >
> > -Knowledge
> >
> > "JPM III" <jpmccord.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2ijh85Fnnf39U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Smith is only a shell. He doesn't destroy the live feed. He just
> > > takes over their virtual location and uses their life functions to
> > > sustain his clone. There is only one original Smith program in the
> > > Matrix. All the clones require the "programs" of the plugged in
> > > humans to function.
> > >
> > >
> > > Knowledge <news:n5Vwc.689302$oR5.45473@pd7tw3no>:
> > > > This is not possible because the agent destroys the incoming
> > > > signal from the pod person. Without the live feed there would be
> > > > no possibility for a live avatar of the individual.
> > > >
> > > > -Knowledge
> > > >
> > > > "James Willmott" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> > > > news:40c400b0$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam.DeleteThis@Fake-email.com wrote:
> > > > > > maybe the agents didn't want to cause a scene by having people
> > > > > > witness a coworker morph into someone else.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > also morpheous later said that the agents underestimated him,
> > > > > > so maybe they didn't even want to use too much energy in
> > > > > > capturing him....
> > > > >
> > > > > Surely if the Matrix delivers visual information to those
> > > > > plugged in, it could simply deliver the image of the original
> > > > > person even though they were now controlled by an agent?
>
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:41 pm
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"Harald Reinholdt" <h.reinholdtNEINZUJUNK RemoveThis @GMX.DE> wrote in message news:<c9thl7$2q5$1@online.de>...
> Hello out there...
>
> iīve been re-watching Matrix this evening and think i understood the matrix
> "universe" as intended by the filmmakers.
Same here.
> i wonder if the scene in the office cubicles contains a severe flaw in the
> script: morpheus directs neo with the cell phone to the empty office. (" how
> do you know all this") Before he reaches it, an anonymous office co-worker
> standing at a copy maschine watches him.
Correct. Before I get to the flaw you perceive, I'll say I have a
slight problem with the continuity in this scene, too: Morpheus said
go to the empty office at the end of the hall. Yet, Neo took a turn
en route to the office. He never went straight down any hall. NOW,
back to your point:
> Arenīt any "people who are still plugged potential agents" ? ( quote from
> morpheus during the training program) So shouldnīt this "copy guy" be
> cheating to the system where neo is ?
Only if an agent jumps into them, or whatever that strange morphing
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:48 pm
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Adam RemoveThis @Fake-email.com wrote in message news:<WHLwc.70957$mX.23922823@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
> maybe the agents didn't want to cause a scene by having people witness a
> coworker morph into someone else.
Yeah...
> also morpheous later said that the agents underestimated him, so maybe they
> didn't even want to use too much energy in capturing him....
Right. Agents weren't even bright enough perceive that Neo had simply
gone to the next cubicle, before ultimately making his temporary
escape! >> Stay informed about: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:24 am
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The agents only respond to abnormal activity, because it is significant
enough to be reported in their earpieces. The copy guy would not have been
alarmed enough to warrant an agents attention to the event, otherwise there
would be too much noise in the earpiece from all the slight abnormalities in
the matrix.
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> "Harald Reinholdt" <h.reinholdtNEINZUJUNK.RemoveThis@GMX.DE> wrote in message
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> > Hello out there...
> >
> > iīve been re-watching Matrix this evening and think i understood the
matrix
> > "universe" as intended by the filmmakers.
>
> Same here.
>
> > i wonder if the scene in the office cubicles contains a severe flaw in
the
> > script: morpheus directs neo with the cell phone to the empty office. ("
how
> > do you know all this") Before he reaches it, an anonymous office
co-worker
> > standing at a copy maschine watches him.
>
> Correct. Before I get to the flaw you perceive, I'll say I have a
> slight problem with the continuity in this scene, too: Morpheus said
> go to the empty office at the end of the hall. Yet, Neo took a turn
> en route to the office. He never went straight down any hall. NOW,
> back to your point:
>
> > Arenīt any "people who are still plugged potential agents" ? ( quote
from
> > morpheus during the training program) So shouldnīt this "copy guy" be
> > cheating to the system where neo is ?
>
> Only if an agent jumps into them, or whatever that strange morphing
> thing they do is, IMO. >> Stay informed about: Matrix 1: flaw in script ? The copy guy |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:07 am
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"Knowledge" <knowledge DeleteThis @shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<Bhwxc.677543$Pk3.45844@pd7tw1no>...
> The agents only respond to abnormal activity, because it is significant
> enough to be reported in their earpieces. The copy guy would not have been
> alarmed enough to warrant an agents attention to the event <snip>
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