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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:37 pm
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precode wrote:
>Amen on BEAUTIFUL MIND. Ya gotta love a film about a guy who wins a
>Nobel Prize yet they never bother to explain why he won it! Two
>dreaduls as yet unmentioned: ORDINARY PEOPLE (RAGING BULL was the clear
>winner that year) and TITANIC (shoulda gone to L.A. CONFIDENTIAL,
>though my personal pick was Lumet's NIGHT FALLS ON MANHATTAN).
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OK, it wasn't an Oscar picture, but Ordinary People isn't exactly
DREADFUL- at least it wasn't at the time, tastes change. As I recall it
had a great performance by Donald Sutherland (after a string of awful
ones) and showed that Mary Tyler Moore could play an unsympathetic role.
(As my mom said "I never would have thought I'd HATE Mary Tyler
Moore"). A lot of big pictures lose their luster- The Good Earth was
a prize winning novel and a blockbuster picture- nobody talks about
either of them much. About the only time I hear the film mentioned is to
point out that Hollywood would NEVER make a Chinese picture with
Caucasian leads nowadays.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:03 pm
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> >3. Where do we start? City Lights, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly,
> >Rear Window, Vertigo, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Touch of Evil, etc. I
> >think the Academy's obvious sign of self-masturbation is how never did
> >a Welles, Kubrick, Hitchcock (Rebecca is Selznick's movie),
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> Take another look at Rebecca. It's as much Hitchock as it is Selznick.
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> John Harkness
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Hitchcock seems to disagree with you - in the Truffaut interviews he
says of Rebecca "...Well it'not a Hitchcock picture; it's a novelette,
really. The story is old fashioned ...........the fact is that the
story is lacking in humor."
Hitchcock may not have liked it much but I did and so did many others
and I agree with you there are some very Hitchcockian elements in it.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:15 pm
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:16 pm
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:40 pm
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On 20 Oct 2005 13:56:05 -0700, "Magnus, Robot Fighter"
<pavelb1.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
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>Stott wrote:
>> precode wrote:
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>> >Amen on BEAUTIFUL MIND. Ya gotta love a film about a guy who wins a
>> >Nobel Prize yet they never bother to explain why he won it! Two
>> >dreaduls as yet unmentioned: ORDINARY PEOPLE (RAGING BULL was the clear
>> >winner that year) and TITANIC (shoulda gone to L.A. CONFIDENTIAL,
>> >though my personal pick was Lumet's NIGHT FALLS ON MANHATTAN).
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>> >
>> OK, it wasn't an Oscar picture, but Ordinary People isn't exactly
>> DREADFUL- at least it wasn't at the time, tastes change. As I recall it
>> had a great performance by Donald Sutherland (after a string of awful
>> ones) and showed that Mary Tyler Moore could play an unsympathetic role.
>> (As my mom said "I never would have thought I'd HATE Mary Tyler
>> Moore"). A lot of big pictures lose their luster- The Good Earth was
>> a prize winning novel and a blockbuster picture- nobody talks about
>> either of them much. About the only time I hear the film mentioned is to
>> point out that Hollywood would NEVER make a Chinese picture with
>> Caucasian leads nowadays.
>>
>> Stott
>
>Nitpick: I'm not really seeing what I would call 'a string of awful
>performances' prior to OP
Sutherland's rather like Michael Caine. He likes to work and he works
a lot -- but in the couple of years before OP, there's his terrific
cameo in Murder By Decree, Great Train Robbery, Invasion of the Body
Snatchers, and Animal House. Then there's those Canadian tax shelter
pictures....
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:17 pm
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tomcervo wrote:
> "When did a Robert Altman film win Best Picture? He's had two films
> nominated (Gosford Park and Nashville) and he himself has been
> nominated five times, but has never win."
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> He's in the running for the "Hawks/Hitchcock" award--best director
> never to win a competitive award. Back when Faulkner won the Nobel
> Prize, the University of Mississippi had its semi-annual discussion
> about giving him an honorary degree, until one prof said that now it
> was too late.
> Fortunately, the academy has never been troubled by such thoughts, and
> Altman will get his lifetime award, accompanied by a series of clips
> that will put to shame every other movie nominated that year.
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I thought they were going to give it to him for GOSFORD PARK, which is a
pure Altman ensemble piece and or near the top of his form. I thought
it should go to LORD OF THE RINGS, but thought that Altman was in the
running for the he;s-old-and-we'd-better-give-it-to-him-now award.
Instead they gave it to a movie I walked out of theater about twenty
minutes into.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:21 pm
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Feuillade wrote:
> Okay, this question has come up several times before but I thought it
> was time to trot it out again. With a twist or two.
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> If you feel like it, answer the following questions:
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> 1) What was the worst film ever to win the Oscar for Best Picture?
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> 2) What film nominated that year would you have chosen instead?
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> 3) What was the best film not even nominated for Best Picture?
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> I'll start it off:
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> 1) There are a lot of contenders (I counted at least 24
> possibilities), but my choice has to be "Dances With Wolves."
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> 2) Of the films nominated for Best Picture that year, I would have
> gone for "GoodFellas" (keeping in mind that the best film made that
> year, Barry Levinson's "Avalon," wasn't nominated for Best Picture).
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> 3) The best film never nominated for Best Picture has to be Chaplin's
> "City Lights."
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> Tom Moran
1. 1942 - Mrs Miniver
2. Should have been The Magnificent Ambersons
3. One of the best non-nominated films: Modern Times in 1936
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:36 pm
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tomcervo wrote:
> "When did a Robert Altman film win Best Picture? He's had two films
> nominated (Gosford Park and Nashville) and he himself has been
> nominated five times, but has never win."
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> He's in the running for the "Hawks/Hitchcock" award--best director
> never to win a competitive award.
Hawks, Hitchcock, Welles, Kubrick, Vidor, Lubitsch, Lang, Sternberg,
Scorsese, Mallick, DeMille, Lumet, Chaplin.
At least they got Barry Levinson covered.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:51 pm
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:53 pm
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On 20 Oct 2005, mikegebert.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> There is nothing Hollywood does worse than movies about math. (See
> Good Will Hunting, Proof, even the indie Pi which, like Good Will
> Hunting, suggests that you have to abandon the life of the mind to find
> happiness, a notion that any real mathematician would find absurd.)
Oh well, there's always Donald Duck in Mathemagic Land.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:55 pm
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Stott wrote:
> A lot of big pictures lose their luster- The Good Earth was
> a prize winning novel and a blockbuster picture- nobody talks about
> either of them much. About the only time I hear the film mentioned is to
> point out that Hollywood would NEVER make a Chinese picture with
> Caucasian leads nowadays.
It also shows up a lot in the New York Times Sunday Crossword Puzzle.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:08 pm
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John Harkness wrote:
> On 20 Oct 2005 10:54:51 -0700, "tomcervo" <tomcervo.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
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>>"When did a Robert Altman film win Best Picture? He's had two films
>>nominated (Gosford Park and Nashville) and he himself has been
>>nominated five times, but has never win."
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>>He's in the running for the "Hawks/Hitchcock" award--best director
>>never to win a competitive award.
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> There's a difference, though -- Hitchcock and Altman were regularly
> acknowledged -- Hitch had six nominations, Altman five, Hawks exactly
> one.
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> Hell, Hawks only got three nominatons from the DGA, all for his
> Westerns.
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> He may be the most extreme case of a director who was not on the
> cultural radar through his entire career -- it took the French to
> recognize him for what he was.
Hell, it didn't take the French. He had an unequalled run of hits from
ONLY ANGELS HAVE WNGS through GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES without a single
money-loser. The movie-going public knew that Hawks made great movies,
even though the Academy didn't. Same with Hitchcock.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:21 pm
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"He may be the most extreme case of a director who was not on the
cultural radar through his entire career -- it took the French to
recognize him for what he was."
But the Oscar isn't really a "cultural" award--re Altman's comments on
the musical mafia that gave the award to a member of the Old Boys Club
the year that "Nashville" (I think) was in the running (which may
explain HIS exclusion). Hawks made a LOT of money for a lot of people
and pleased a lot of audiences. I know that he had a reputation for
coldness, and didn't make the kind of movies mistaken for
"prestige"--no Oscar at all is better than one for "Sergeant York". >> Stay informed about: Worst Film That Won and Best Film Never Nominated |
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:45 pm
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On 20 Oct 2005 lokkeheiss DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> Which leads to the question: how is it that Gene Hackman is great, no
> matter WHAT picture he is in?
You obviously never saw Loose Cannons.
However, I finally got to see Prime Cut, with Lee Marvin, thanks to a
sparkling new DVD. Hackman is terrific in that one, his role took a lot of
guts.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:55 pm
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> > > 1) What was the worst film ever to win the Oscar for Best Picture?
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> My vote goes to THE GREAT ZIEGFIELD.
I enjoy the hell out of that film. I know it's not at all accurate, but
it's a lot of fun to me. I'm not saying it deserved the Oscar though, just
that it's not a bad film. (I don't know if you were saying it was very bad,
or just that it didn't deserve the award.)
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