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>>Oh, and Vertigo
>Only if you define James Stewart's character as "supporting"


Tom Helmore's imagination; Stewart's obsession.
(I mean, do we really know that the real Madeline is mad?)
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"tomcervo" (tomcervo@aol.com) writes:
>>Has there ever been a movie where the main character turned out to be a figment of a >supporting character's imagination?
>
> The Usual Suspects?
> Lt. Kije?
>

Sose is real--insofar an anything in that film is real. We just don't know
who he is until . . . .

Connie K.
--
"To hell with the pillow in the background. It's a good scene, and that's
more important." Chaplin, Interview with Richard Meryman, 1966.
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John Harkness wrote:
> The Dear Hunter

That must be the movie about that really swell guy, that Dear Hunter. ;)
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tomcervo wrote:
> Much better than the book, which consists of DESCRIPTIONS of the
> action scenes.

Maybe I'm not being creative enough, but how else would a book portray
action other than by describing it?
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Basic writer advice. Don't just tell, show. Or as Mark Twain put it,
"Don't say that Grandma screamed. Bring the old lady on and let her
scream."
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Feuillade wrote:
> John Harkness wrote:
>
> > Just off the top of my head, for the first 20
> > or so, Magnolia, Pulp Fiction, One False Move,
> > Safe, Goodfellas, Unforgiven, seven, There's
> > Something About Mary, The Big Lebowski, hree
> > Kings, Miller's Crossing, Almost Famous, Die
> > Hard, Chasing Amy, Do The Right Thing, Heat,
> > LA Confidential, Living Out Loud, Adaptation,
> > The Siege, Miller's Crossing
>
> I *knew* I didn't want to hear it. :)


I suppose there's no accounting for taste, but do you have any
arguments why you think those movies aren't as good as "Avalon"? Other
than, "Because I like 'Avalon' more'" of course.
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We'll have to agree to disagree about Truman, because I don't think
Carrey was the best actor of that year. And as far as the knotty
psychological concepts like reality and god, I was much more profoundly
affected by the original Planet of the Apes than Truman Show, I felt TS
rehashed a lot of standard stuff. And of course, since American Family
is not a fictional movie, I WAS comparing them tongue-in-cheek. What
my point sort of was, was that the film rehashed a lot of themes under
the promotional materials' guise that it was original.

And as for Avalon and particularly that scene, I wrote a paper on it
around 10 years ago or so and watched it maybe 5-10 times for the
paper- certainly watched many sequences 10 times anyway. I was not
blown away by Quinn in the film and I don't remember his reaction
communicating that impression, just don't remember it that way. I
remember him ignoring his son, just saying, "no, it happened this way."
Couldn't find any ciritics commenting on it online.

Don
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Bill Ferry


"Ronnie" <our-own-ronnie-bateman.TakeThisOut@earthlinq.net> wrote in message
news:our-own-ronnie-bateman-7BC853.13282622102005@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> "FredT" <fwtep.TakeThisOut@hotmailx.com> wrote:
>
> > I would have loved it if when Jennifer Connolly was committing him to
the
> > institution, saying that he has hallucinated his best friend, the Doctor
> > looked at her and said that she didn't have a husband, that it was all
an
> > hallucination. That would have really been a twist. Has there ever
been a
> > movie where the main character turned out to be a figment of a
supporting
> > character's imagination? (And Harvey doesn't qualify, because he turns
out
> > to be real.)
>
> Obvious answer: Fight Club.
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On 23 Oct 2005 19:42:42 -0700, zaryzary2003 RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Feuillade wrote:
>> John Harkness wrote:
>>
>> > Just off the top of my head, for the first 20
>> > or so, Magnolia, Pulp Fiction, One False Move,
>> > Safe, Goodfellas, Unforgiven, seven, There's
>> > Something About Mary, The Big Lebowski, hree
>> > Kings, Miller's Crossing, Almost Famous, Die
>> > Hard, Chasing Amy, Do The Right Thing, Heat,
>> > LA Confidential, Living Out Loud, Adaptation,
>> > The Siege, Miller's Crossing
>>
>> I *knew* I didn't want to hear it. :)
>
>
>I suppose there's no accounting for taste, but do you have any
>arguments why you think those movies aren't as good as "Avalon"? Other
>than, "Because I like 'Avalon' more'" of course.

Avalon has more old ethnic guys bitching about how things were better
in the old country.

John Harkness
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zaryzary2003 RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:

> Feuillade wrote:

>> John Harkness wrote:

>>> Just off the top of my head, for the first 20
>>> or so, Magnolia, Pulp Fiction, One False Move,
>>> Safe, Goodfellas, Unforgiven, seven, There's
>>> Something About Mary, The Big Lebowski, hree
>>> Kings, Miller's Crossing, Almost Famous, Die
>>> Hard, Chasing Amy, Do The Right Thing, Heat,
>>> LA Confidential, Living Out Loud, Adaptation,
>>> The Siege, Miller's Crossing

>> I *knew* I didn't want to hear it. :)

> I suppose there's no accounting for taste, but do
> you have any arguments why you think those movies
> aren't as good as "Avalon"? Other than, "Because
> I like 'Avalon' more'" of course.

Do I have arguments? Yes.

Am I willing to spend the time to make them and then the much longer
time to defend them? Not particularly. I might have made that
argument a few years ago, but not now.

Mainly because, as you say, there's no accounting for taste.

Tom Moran
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John Harkness wrote:

> Avalon has more old ethnic guys bitching about
> how things were better in the old country.

If that's all you saw in that movie I find that deeply sad.

Tom Moran
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John Harkness wrote:

> On 24 Oct 2005 05:14:49 -0700, "Feuillade" <Feuillade.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:

>> John Harkness wrote:

>>> Avalon has more old ethnic guys bitching about
>>> how things were better in the old country.

>> If that's all you saw in that movie I find that
>> deeply sad.

> On the grand scale, that's basically what it's about.
> He's trying to excorcise his family but sinks into nostalgia.

That's a little like saying that "Citizen Kane" is about a guy who
never got over losing his sled.

Tom Moran
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On 24 Oct 2005 05:14:49 -0700, "Feuillade" <Feuillade.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:

>John Harkness wrote:
>
>> Avalon has more old ethnic guys bitching about
>> how things were better in the old country.
>
>If that's all you saw in that movie I find that deeply sad.
>
>Tom Moran

On the grand scale, that's basically what it's about. He's trying to
excorcise his family but sinks into nostalgia.

Woefully miscast central role -- I just don't buy Aidan Quinn as,
well, Jewish,not surrounded by the like of Kevin Pollack and Lou
Jacobi.

And since she said it better than I do, I'll just name-check Pauline
Kael's review...

"The scattered fine comic moments don't meke up for the wide streak of
fuddy-duddyism in the film's notion that the family used to be the
bulwark of the nation's value system. The movie is an elegy to a
mythical past, and people emerge from the theatre sniffling. They've
been told they're suffering from sould-sickness -- the loss of unity,
harmony, family music"

John Harkness
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