Apologies to Candace

comrade bachusio.RemoveThis@rogers.com
wrote from Canada:

>>Robt Moulton wrote:

>>>it's wrong to call the President a war
>>>criminal in and of itself (i.e. no matter
>>>what the facts) or it's wrong to call the
>>>President a war criminal because
>>>there is absolutely no evidence to
>>>support this claim?

>>There is no evidence to support the
>>claim, except political hostility and
>>a desire to see Bush and the GOP
>>out of power.

>Are your sure there's no evidence?

None whatsoever,

>If so, why get all hot and bothered?

Because I admire and respect Bush
and the "war criminal" charge is
obscene.

>Or are you a bit worried about a little
>impeacharooni' action?

How? The Democrats aren't going
to win the House in November.


>How else would Bush get 'out of power'?
>Hmmmmm......

To discredit his Presidency to set up
a Democrat President in 2008.
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George,
Dubya is a war criminal, history will show this eloquently enough. It's
despicable to invent non-existent WMD's as a pretext to invade a
country because Saddam "insulted" his daddy. Now Americans torture
people, hold them for years without trial or access to an attorney and
many of them have since been proven 100% innocent!

It's a far cry from real American heroes like Audie Murphy, Bataan
death march survivors and your typical WWII GI.

You're proud to be an American when we're doing these types of things?
You can love your country but despise your (current) government. You
still beat the drum about Clinton. So he had encounters with Monica,
who did this hurt? Did he kill 2500 of our boys for NO reason? Had Bush
not demanded this war for his own personal ego, each and every one of
those boys would be over here, alive.

George, if this Iraq war is so holy, how could Bush's two daughters
aren't over there serving? LBJ at least sent his son-in-law over to
'Nam.

As for Chuck Heston, I despise his politics, but I meant him once in a
bookstore in Burbank and he was a very nice gentleman. He was
well-spoken, had a sense of humor about himself and seemed genuinely
interested in the people around him. No Conservative could meet Jane
Fonda and admit that she's probably pretty charming and intelligent in
person... it would just be that tired old "Hanoi Jane" rant. ZZZZZ.....
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ulysses.DeleteThis@mscomm.com (Candace)
wrote:

>Dubya is a war criminal, history will
>show this eloquently enough. It's
>despicable to invent non-existent WMD's
>as a pretext to invade a country because
>Saddam "insulted" his daddy.

Ridiculous. (1) He didn't "invent" them,
the intelligence services of the US and
other countries believed he had them
because he had already used them (2)
he certainly had plans to revive them
after the UN inspectors departed. (3)
Rick Santorum justrevealed 500 poison
gas shells that Saddam never destroyed...
I wonder how many more have been
hidden?

I guess you wanted to wait for another
9-11 before we did anything.

> Now Americans torture people, hold
>them for years without trial or access to
>an attorney and many of them have
>since been proven 100% innocent!

We held German and Japanese prisoners
during WW2 for the duration of the
war. Prisoners of war do not get attorneys and trials. And illegal
combatants---i.e terrorists who pretend
to be civilians and do not wear
uniforms---are even less entitled to
attorneys and trials.


>It's a far cry from real American heroes
>like Audie Murphy, Bataan death march
>survivors and your typical WWII GI.
>You're proud to be an American when
>we're doing these types of things?

> You can love your country but despise
>your (current) government.

You just don't like Republican conservatives. It's all political.


> You still beat the drum about Clinton.
>So he had encounters with Monica, who
>did this hurt? Did he kill 2500 of our boys
Bush did not "kill' anyone and if Clinton
had been doing his job instead of getting
blowjobs, there might not have 3000
American civilians killed on 9/11,

>for NO reason? Had Bush not demanded
>this war for his own personal ego, each
>and every one of those boys would be
>over here, alive.

>George, if this Iraq war is so holy,

It is not "holy," it is necessary.

> how
>could Bush's two daughters aren't over
>there serving

>LBJ at least sent his
>son-in-law over to 'Nam.

His son in law was already an officer.


>As for Chuck Heston, I despise his
>politics,

That's the whole issue. If Bush were
a lib, you'd be defending the war. (What
did you think of Clinton bombing
Kosovo, by the way?)

> but I meant him once in a bookstore in
>Burbank and he was a very nice
>gentleman. He was well-spoken, had a
>sense of humor about himself and
>seemed genuinely interested in the
>people around him. No Conservative
>could meet Jane Fonda and admit that
>she's probably pretty charming and
>intelligent in person... it would just be
>that tired old "Hanoi Jane" rant. ZZZZZ.....

Hardly. Fonda has a great deal of
charisma, as does Heston.

But Fonda did go to a country which
was killing Americans and give them
aid and comfort. Heston never did
anything so heinous.

Heston has been very helpful in boosting
charities in the LA area (prior to his
Alzheimers) and he always was gracious
with film nonproit events, such as
those at the DeMille Barn.

As far as Bush being a "war criminal,'
you're a brain-dead Republican-hating
leftist...you must miss Tom Moran
dearly.
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George Shelps 6/24/06 4:23 PM

> if Clinton
> had been doing his job instead of getting
> blowjobs, there might not have 3000
> American civilians killed on 9/11,

Regarding Clinton and Bush, they are either both at fault or neither. The
memo about the attack being dismissed was under GW's watch.

> That's the whole issue. If Bush were
> a lib, you'd be defending the war. (What
> did you think of Clinton bombing
> Kosovo, by the way?)

Do you support Clinton bombing Kosovo?

> Fonda has a great deal of
> charisma, as does Heston.

I don't get Jane at all, but Charlton Heston is a class act and will remain
so despite the terrible disease he is enduring, right up until the end.
Even though I know it's coming, his passing is going to be a difficult one
for me.

> you're a brain-dead Republican-hating
> leftist...you must miss Tom Moran
> dearly.

I actually think you miss him, G

JN
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jneibaur.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
wrote:

>>>if Clinton
>>>had been doing his job instead of
>>>getting blowjobs, there might not have
>>>3000 American civilians killed on 9/11,
>Regarding Clinton and Bush, they are
>either both at fault or neither. The memo
>about the attack being dismissed was
>under GW's watch.

You're wrong. That memo did not
warn or predict that bin Laden planned
to attack the US. It was an historical
summary of past actions of bin Laden.

What hurt most was Clinton's deputy
Attorney General Jamie Gorelick
writing a memo preventing the FBI
from communicating with the CIA.

>>That's the whole issue. If Bush were
>>a lib, you'd be defending the war. (What
>>did you think of Clinton bombing
>>Kosovo, by the way?)

>Do you support Clinton bombing
>Kosovo?

Yes, but I think that it should have
been done by a NATO invasion rather
than indiscriminately from the air.



>>you're a brain-dead Republican-hating
>>leftist...you must miss Tom Moran
>>dearly.

>I actually think you miss him, G

No, I honestly don't.

I am glad he no longer posts here. He was a blight.

(I don't miss Connie either. The
group has developed where it can
function without her)
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George Shelps wrote:
> jneibaur RemoveThis @wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
> wrote:
>
> >>>if Clinton
> >>>had been doing his job instead of
> >>>getting blowjobs, there might not have
> >>>3000 American civilians killed on 9/11,\

*yawn* Still partying like it's 1999, are we?

> >Regarding Clinton and Bush, they are
> >either both at fault or neither. The memo
> >about the attack being dismissed was
> >under GW's watch.
>
> You're wrong. That memo did not
> warn or predict that bin Laden planned
> to attack the US. It was an historical
> summary of past actions of bin Laden.
>
> What hurt most was Clinton's deputy
> Attorney General Jamie Gorelick
> writing a memo preventing the FBI
> from communicating with the CIA.

Nope! What hurt most was Bush and co.
disregarding the warnings from Clinton, Clarke, and everyone else
saying Al Queda was America's No. 1 threat.

They instead, from day one focussed on Iraq.

One thing you can say, they're consistent -
they focussed on Iraq to the exclusion of Al Queda before 9-11
and that's exactly what they've done after 9-11 as well.

> >>That's the whole issue. If Bush were
> >>a lib, you'd be defending the war.

Dunno, but you'd be against it for your political partisan reasons.

>
> >>you're a brain-dead Republican-hating
> >>leftist...you must miss Tom Moran
> >>dearly.
>
You really can't stop hurling your infantile 'insults', huh?
Must be the result of the subconscious knowledge that your 'points'
really can't stand on their own. Else, why the panicked grade-school
bullshit?
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George Shelps wrote:
> jneibaur.RemoveThis@wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
> wrote:
>
> >>>if Clinton
> >>>had been doing his job instead of
> >>>getting blowjobs, there might not have
> >>>3000 American civilians killed on 9/11,\

*yawn* Still partying like it's 1999, are we?

> >Regarding Clinton and Bush, they are
> >either both at fault or neither. The memo
> >about the attack being dismissed was
> >under GW's watch.
>
> You're wrong. That memo did not
> warn or predict that bin Laden planned
> to attack the US. It was an historical
> summary of past actions of bin Laden.
>
> What hurt most was Clinton's deputy
> Attorney General Jamie Gorelick
> writing a memo preventing the FBI
> from communicating with the CIA.

Nope! What hurt most was Bush and co.
disregarding the warnings from Clinton, Clarke, and everyone else
saying Al Queda was America's No. 1 threat.

They instead, from day one focussed on Iraq.

One thing you can say, they're consistent -
they focussed on Iraq to the exclusion of Al Queda before 9-11
and that's exactly what they've done after 9-11 as well.

> >>That's the whole issue. If Bush were
> >>a lib, you'd be defending the war.

Dunno, but you'd be against it for your political partisan reasons.

>
> >>you're a brain-dead Republican-hating
> >>leftist...you must miss Tom Moran
> >>dearly.
>
You really can't stop hurling your infantile 'insults', huh?
Must be the result of the subconscious knowledge that your 'points'
really can't stand on their own. Else, why the panicked grade-school
bullshit?
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George Shelps wrote:
> Comrade B wrote:
>
> >Nope! What hurt most was Bush and co.
> >disregarding the warnings from Clinton,
> >Clarke, and everyone else saying Al
> >Queda was America's No. 1 threat.
>
> Ho,ho, ho....meanwhile, during Clinton's
> term, Al Qaeda rampaged at will, tried
> to blow up the WTC, the Cole, an
> embassy, the Khobar Towers....if they
> knew al Qaeda was the No 1 threat,
> why didn't they attack the bases in
> Afghanistan instead of impotently
> shooting cruise missiles at tents?

Clinton gets info they're planning to attack on Millenium Eve.
Pulls in the FBI, CIA, etc - they 'shake the trees'.
The terrorists are caught at the border.
The plot is foiled.

Bush gets a memo that AlQueda's planning to attack.
He says to the CIA guy who gives him the briefing: "Alright, you've
covered your ass,"
Then he goes fishing.
9-11 occurs.
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Comrade B wrote:

>Nope! What hurt most was Bush and co.
>disregarding the warnings from Clinton,
>Clarke, and everyone else saying Al
>Queda was America's No. 1 threat.

Ho,ho, ho....meanwhile, during Clinton's
term, Al Qaeda rampaged at will, tried
to blow up the WTC, the Cole, an
embassy, the Khobar Towers....if they
knew al Qaeda was the No 1 threat,
why didn't they attack the bases in
Afghanistan instead of impotently
shooting cruise missiles at tents?
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George Shelps 6/24/06 4:57 PM

> You're wrong. That memo did not
> warn or predict that bin Laden planned
> to attack the US.

Then why did Sec of State Rice say it did? I heard her say so myself.

I actually forgive the President of such a slip-up, despite the outcome. He
certainly did not *want* this to happen, for crissakes. I don't forget that
he is a human being. Just like Clinton getting his head blown.

Y'see I don't jump on every act of a person with whom I disagree, nor do I
defend every act of a person with whom I do.

Unless they're stupid

JN
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jneibaur DeleteThis @wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
wrote:

>>You're wrong. That memo did not
>>warn or predict that bin Laden planned
>>to attack the US.

>Then why did Sec of State Rice say it
>did? I heard her say so myself.

I don't think she said that. She said
just the opposite. The transcript is in
Coulter's book.

>I actually forgive the President of such a
>slip-up, despite the outcome. He
>certainly did not *want* this to happen,
>for crissakes. I don't forget that he is a
>human being. Just like Clinton getting
>his head blown.

I disagree that it was his "slip up." The
whole system "slipped up" Bush had
been President less than a year.

>Y'see I don't jump on every act of a
>person with whom I disagree, nor do I
>defend every act of a person with whom
>I do.

Neither do I

>Unless they're stupid

Anyone we know? :)
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George Shelps 6/24/06 4:57 PM

> I don't miss Connie either.

I miss Connie very much, and wish she was around for the Essanay threads

JN
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jneibaur.TakeThisOut@wi.rr.com (James Neibaur)
wrote:

>>I don't miss Connie either.

>I miss Connie very much, and wish she
>was around for the Essanay threads

She knew her Chaplin, but I got sick
of her exasperation over having to
"cope" with differing opinions...not
to mention her personal rancor towards
me in particular.
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