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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:05 am
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Fred wrote:
> >FACTS: The Little Tramp is a work of genius, created by a genius.
> >
> >Is Rocky a work of genius? Is Stallone a genius?
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> What does quality have to do with it? Did I miss somewhere that
> Stallone said he was as good as Chaplin? Do people EVER meet the
> quality of those who inspired them?
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> >Judging by the tone of this thread, I'm sure 20 people will crawl out
> >of the woodwork defending Stallone's creativity and comparing his
> >intellect to Newton. I would expect this fawning over Sly on a Sly
> >Forum, not a CC one!
>
> Let me repeat, for the hard of reading: I do not like Stallone's
> films. I think I've only seen one in its entirety, and I'm not even
> sure about that, as I can't recall what it was. All I'm saying is
> that I'm not outraged that he says he was inspired by the Tramp or
> thinks there's a little bit of the Tramp in Rocky. How much of Dan
> Leno was in Chaplin? He was an inspiration to Chaplin. Perhaps there
> are Dan Leno fans who are outraged that Chaplin would put himself in
> the same sentence as Dan.
>
Not to mention the Max Linder fans. :)
I would respectfully suggest to Candace that she needs to cool her jets
just a little.
No one -- least of all Sylvester Stallone -- is suggesting that he is
as good as Chaplin as an actor or a filmmaker. What he's saying is
that his work was inspired by Chaplin's and that he sees some
parallels, as strained as they may seem to you and to others, between
the character of Rocky Balboa and Chaplin's tramp character.
I might also suggest that you read the entire 15-round Q&A between
Stallone and his fans on Ain't It Cool News before you rush to
judgment. How many other filmmakers or movie stars would submit to a
200+ question grilling by his fans? Not to mention answer the
questions with the candor and self-effacing humor that Stallone does ?
Not many, I reckon.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:08 pm
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Tom Moran wrote:
>How many other filmmakers or movie
>stars would submit to a 200+ question
>grilling by his fans? Not to mention
>answer the questions with the candor
>and self-effacing humor that Stallone
>does ?
As witnessed on the set of ROCKY
BALBOA at the Victor Cafe ("Adrian's"
in the film), Stallone is very
gracious to his fans, despite the burden
of writing, directing and starring in
this movie..
Both he and his brother Frank
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:56 am
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Gerald, if someone offered me $500, I wouldn't sit through a screening
of Rocky Balboa. I also will never watch again the 1976 original Rocky
movie. Once was more than enough. Some films bear repetition
beautifully. I could watch The Searchers or The Godfather once a month
for the rest of my life and not weary of them. Rocky is obviously not
in that rarified league.
Tom, I also don't care that Sly sits down for Q & A sessions, this
doesn't enhance his non-existent appeal. Given the choice of suffering
through one of Bush's inept, inarticulate and thoroughly maddening
interviews or watching Sly answer 50 questions, it would be a tough
call. I would opt for Sly, however, I'll grant you.
I'd rather have Chaplin any day. I'd rather have a maniacal manic
depressive with a penchant for 15 year old virgins than this
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:10 am
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Candace wrote:
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> Tom, I also don't care that Sly sits down for Q & A sessions, this
> doesn't enhance his non-existent appeal.
You might feel differently were you to actually read them, but since
your mind's alreadymade up it's rather a moot point.
> Given the choice of suffering through one of Bush's inept, inarticulate
> and thoroughly maddening interviews or watching Sly answer 50
> questions, it would be a tough call. I would opt for Sly, however,
> I'll grant you.
>
Good to know.
> I'd rather have Chaplin any day. I'd rather have a maniacal manic
> depressive with a penchant for 15 year old virgins than this
> steroid-ridden, face-lifted, ego-inflated bomb.
>
I'm not a huge fan of Stallone or the action/adventue genre in general,
but I did think the original "Rocky" was a good film (although it
should not have won the Best Picture Oscar given the films it was
competing against), and I might go to see "Rocky Balboa," which would
be the first time I've seen a "Rocky" movie in more than 25 years (I
jumped off the bandwagon after "Rocky II").
But nobody's saying that you have to, Candace. :)
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:47 pm
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Matt Barry wrote:
> "Candace" <ulysses.RemoveThis@mscomm.com> wrote in message
> news:1166803996.245191.29840@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Thank you.
> >
> > As for my diatribe being "silly," I guess that's the case if you think
> > the character of Rocky Balboa resembles The Little Tramp in any minute
> > fashion. The comparison should insult people who love Charlie.
> >
> > Let's say someone like Jerry Lewis claimed he modeled one of his
> > character on The Little Tramp. I would recoil at that as well, but at
> > least Lewis was slight of build, a comedian and someone who did
> > physical comedy quite well. The similarities in a broad sense do exist
> > and Jerry Lewis would not be laughed out of the room by making the
> > comparison.
> >
> > Stallone will be laughed out of the room. There are no similarities
> > between Rocky Balboa and The Little Tramp. One is a thing of genius,
> > the other is a big blob jogging up the stairs in a sweat-stained
> > jumpsuit.
> >
>
> That's a rather harsh and unfair dismissal of Stallone's talents, don't you
> think?
>
Well, to play devil's advocate for a second here, Stallone has kind of
asked for it.
A lot of people think, not without some cause, that he totally sold out
after "Rocky."
He has made sequel after sequel to his two franchises, and some would
say that it's because he can't be believable in anything else.
To support that claim, Stallone is getting ready to make yet another
Rambo film.
In addition, he has made some of the worst films of the last 30 years
-- as he would be the first one to admit (and does in the AICN
interview).
But even if everything else he ever did was garbage (which is not the
case), "Rocky" is still a good film and "Rocky Balboa" sounds promising
enough for me to think about seeing my first "Rocky" movie in 27 years.
> I have immense respect for the work he put into writing "Rocky" and
> getting it into production. Chaplin himself enjoyed the film very much, and
> it was clearly very highly thought of in its time.
> --
To the point where it beat out three much better films ("Network," "All
the President's Men" and "Taxi Driver") for the Best Picture Oscar.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:44 pm
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"Candace" <ulysses.TakeThisOut@mscomm.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you.
>
> As for my diatribe being "silly," I guess that's the case if you think
> the character of Rocky Balboa resembles The Little Tramp in any minute
> fashion. The comparison should insult people who love Charlie.
>
> Let's say someone like Jerry Lewis claimed he modeled one of his
> character on The Little Tramp. I would recoil at that as well, but at
> least Lewis was slight of build, a comedian and someone who did
> physical comedy quite well. The similarities in a broad sense do exist
> and Jerry Lewis would not be laughed out of the room by making the
> comparison.
>
> Stallone will be laughed out of the room. There are no similarities
> between Rocky Balboa and The Little Tramp. One is a thing of genius,
> the other is a big blob jogging up the stairs in a sweat-stained
> jumpsuit.
>
That's a rather harsh and unfair dismissal of Stallone's talents, don't you
think? I have immense respect for the work he put into writing "Rocky" and
getting it into production. Chaplin himself enjoyed the film very much, and
it was clearly very highly thought of in its time.
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Matt Barry
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:44 pm
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Matt Barry wrote:
>That's a rather harsh and unfair
>dismissal of Stallone's talents, don't you
>think? I have immense respect for the
>work he put into writing "Rocky" and
>getting it into production.
Getting ROCKY BALBOA into production
was an even greater feat. It took him
six years and he managed to revitalize
the character and create a little gem
of a movie.
I would say the odds of
him falling on his ass with a "geriatric"
ROCKY were pretty high...and he
triumphed over them. I have to respect
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