Chaplin Story from 1952

On Apr 10, 7:52 am, G-HE....DeleteThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6....DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> >>Though I don't assert that Budenz was
> >>correct, I do believe it is one
> >>explanation for Chaplin's relentless
> >>pro-Sovietism. fondness for left-wing
> >>dictatos, and anti-anti-communism.
> > For a guy who was supposedly "fond"
> >of left-wing dictators, why was it he
> >never once even visited one of these
> >countries?
>
> Chaplin was a "limousine leftist" who
> enjoyed the comforts of capitalism
> and the freedom of democratic societies.

That doesn't answer the question.


>
> >Why were CC's films banned in
> >communist China until the 1970s?
>
> Chaplin's films are works of art separate
> from Chaplin, the man. We are discussing the latter here.

That doesn't answer the question.


>
> > My God, Charles Lindbergh >lived< in
> >Nazi Germany for a time during the 30s.
> >I'd love to hear your rationalization for
> >that.
>
> Lindbergh is off-topic.

In the context of this discussion, no, he's not o.t.
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On Apr 10, 8:36 am, G-HE... RemoveThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6... RemoveThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> > That doesn't answer the question.
> > That doesn't answer the question.
>
> Sorry, Mr District Attorney, I decline
> to be cross-examined.

Since you have no answer, that's probably not a bad idea.

>
> >>> My God, Charles Lindbergh >lived<
> >>>in
> >.>>Nazi Germany for a time during the 30s.
> >>>d love to hear your rationalization for
> >>>that.
> >>Lindbergh is off-topic.
>
>
>
> >In the context of this discussion, no, he's
> >not o.t.
>
> Sorry, Dickie, you're not going to bait
> me into a political discussion about Lindbergh.

What, the master baiter is struck dumb?
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On Apr 10, 12:43 am, G-HE....RemoveThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> bachu....RemoveThis@rogers.com
> wrote:
> >><Given that you feel you can't dismiss
> >>>Budenz's claim that Chaplin was a
> >>>dues-paying member of the
> >>>Communist
> >>>Party, you must then feel the
> >>>government was correct in rescinding
> >>>his re-entry permit.
> >>No.
> >Why bring the claim up then?
> >How is it relevant?
> It is relevant as a possible explanation
> of Chaplin's sympathy to the Soviet
> Union.

The FBI was trying to dig up dirt on
Chaplin for years.

But even they didn't consider Budenz to be a reliable witness.

Since he didn't pass their test and nothing in the least has
surfaced to substantiate his words, most reasonable people
would file his claim in the 'Elvis is still alive' folder.

But you've been pulling the motheaten thing out for
years, in your pathetic attempt to make your wacko
ultra-right-wing theories seem credible.

It's time to grow up, Shelps. Stop wasting everyone's
time and making a fool out of yourself by trying to retail
your transparently obvious lies.
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On Apr 10, 1:02 am, "Feuillade" <Feuill... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
> I sincerely doubt that Chaplin was ever a party member, but during the
> war he pretty obviously supported the Soviet Union.
> But then, so did Churchill, who made a point of saying how much he
> liked Stalin. :)
> Tom Moran

Oh heck, now you'll have Shelps all over the Winston Churchill
newsgroup trying to retail his half-baked lies over there!
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Richard Carnahan wrote:

> For a guy who was supposedly "fond" of left-wing dictators, why was
> it he never once even visited one of these countries? Why were CC's
> films banned in communist China until the 1970s?

Doesn't matter. Once aroused, right-wing paranoia quickly becomes
a permanent condition. A hundred years from now, there will *still* be
no evidence that Chaplin was a communist, and there will *still* be a
handful of scowling, fevered paranoiacs with darting eyes and
trembling hands, convinced that hidden communists are lurking
everywhere. And those people will still be convinced that Chaplin had
been a communist, on the basis of suspicion and innuendo alone.


--Shush--
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On Apr 10, 9:26 am, G-HE....RemoveThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6....RemoveThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> >>>That doesn't answer the question.
> >>Sorry, Mr District Attorney, I decline
> >>to be cross-examined.
> > Since you have no answer, that's
> >probably not a bad idea.
>
> I gave my answer, Mr D.A.

I hope for his sake Alberto Gonzales gives a better one before
congress next week.
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On Apr 10, 11:53 am, "Richard Carnahan" <rfcsac6... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
> What, the master baiter is struck dumb?
>
Yeah, he's shown his hand.

Tom Moran
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On Apr 10, 12:05 pm, bachu... RemoveThis @rogers.com wrote:
> On Apr 10, 1:02 am, "Feuillade" <Feuill... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I sincerely doubt that Chaplin was ever a party member, but during the
> > war he pretty obviously supported the Soviet Union.
> > But then, so did Churchill, who made a point of saying how much he
> > liked Stalin. :)
> > Tom Moran
>
> Oh heck, now you'll have Shelps all over the Winston Churchill
> newsgroup trying to retail his half-baked lies over there!
>

There's a Winston Churchill newsgroup?

Tom Moran
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On Apr 10, 11:33 am, G-HE....DeleteThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> bachu....DeleteThis@rogers.com
> wrote:
> >The FBI was trying to dig up dirt on
> >Chaplin for years.
> >But even they didn't consider Budenz to
> >be a reliable witness.
> How do you know this?

Robinson.

> >Since he didn't pass their test and
> >nothing in the least has surfaced to
> >substantiate his words, most reasonable
> >people would file his claim in the 'Elvis is
> >still alive' folder
> Lady Chaplin destroyed the surviving print
> of A WOMAN OF THE SEA after Chaplin
> died to cover up the fact that he kept a
> print after declaring to the IRS that he
> destroyed all copies. Consequently, I
> think evidence of Chaplin's secret Party
> membership would have met a similar
> fate.

Huh?

Try to untangle the logic there, folks!

I wonder what the aborted project "The Professor"
has to say about Chaplin's communism?

> >But you've been pulling the motheaten
> >thing out for years, in your pathetic
> >attempt to make your wacko
> >ultra-right-wing theories seem credible.
> Chaplin's support for left-wing totalitarianism is so egregious, I think
> that Party membership is one plausible
> explanation.

Oh yes, "egregious"!

Old man Shelps is off his meds again.

> >It's time to grow up, Shelps. Stop
> >wasting everyone's time and making a
> >fool out of yourself by trying to retail your
> >ransparently obvious lies
> I was waiting for the personal attacks
> to begin. You can't restrain yourself
> for very long, can you?

You keep skulking around trying to pass off
FBI-discredited flotsam as fact, injecting the
untruth in an attempt purely to muddy the waters,
since even you say the claim doesn't have enough
merit to have justified the rescinding of Chaplin's
re-entry permit.

It is no "personal attack" to point out the dishonesty
of your 'arguments', your purposeful attempts to deceive in
making them, and your intellectual infantilism in continually trying
to
foist your extreme right-wing views on all of us here.

It is merely an observation of objective fact.
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rfcsac627n DeleteThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:


>>Though I don't assert that Budenz was
>>correct, I do believe it is one
>>explanation for Chaplin's relentless
>>pro-Sovietism. fondness for left-wing
>>dictatos, and anti-anti-communism.

>    For a guy who was supposedly "fond"
>of left-wing dictators, why was it he
>never once even visited one of these
>countries?

Chaplin was a "limousine leftist" who
enjoyed the comforts of capitalism
and the freedom of democratic societies.


>Why were CC's films banned in
>communist China until the 1970s?

Chaplin's films are works of art separate
from Chaplin, the man. We are discussing the latter here.


>    My God, Charles Lindbergh >lived< in
>Nazi Germany for a time during the 30s.
>I'd love to hear your rationalization for
>that.

Lindbergh is off-topic.
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rfcsac627n.RemoveThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:

>    That doesn't answer the question.


>    That doesn't answer the question.

Sorry, Mr District Attorney, I decline
to be cross-examined.


>>>        My God, Charles Lindbergh >lived<
>>>in
>.>>Nazi Germany for a time during the 30s.
>>>d love to hear your rationalization for
>>>that.

>>Lindbergh is off-topic.
    

>In the context of this discussion, no, he's
>not o.t.

Sorry, Dickie, you're not going to bait
me into a political discussion about Lindbergh.
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rfcsac6....TakeThisOut@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:

>>>That doesn't answer the question.

>>Sorry, Mr District Attorney, I decline
>>to be cross-examined.

>    Since you have no answer, that's
>probably not a bad idea.

I gave my answer, Mr D.A.
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bachusio.TakeThisOut@rogers.com
wrote:

>The FBI was trying to dig up dirt on
>Chaplin for years.

>But even they didn't consider Budenz to
>be a reliable witness.

How do you know this?

>Since he didn't pass their test and
>nothing in the least has surfaced to
>substantiate his words, most reasonable
>people would file his claim in the 'Elvis is
>still alive' folder.

Lady Chaplin destroyed the surviving print
of A WOMAN OF THE SEA after Chaplin
died to cover up the fact that he kept a
print after declaring to the IRS that he
destroyed all copies. Consequently, I
think evidence of Chaplin's secret Party
membership would have met a similar
fate.



>But you've been pulling the motheaten
>thing out for years, in your pathetic
>attempt to make your wacko
>ultra-right-wing theories seem credible.

Chaplin's support for left-wing totalitarianism is so egregious, I think
that Party membership is one plausible
explanation.

>It's time to grow up, Shelps. Stop
>wasting everyone's time and making a
>fool out of yourself by trying to retail your
>ransparently obvious lies.

I was waiting for the personal attacks
to begin. You can't restrain yourself
for very long, can you?
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