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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:35 pm
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rfcsac627n DeleteThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
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>There was a juicy role for C.B. in The
>Ten Commandments: Dathan, who was
>played by Edward G. Robinson, in one of
>the worst mis-castings in cinema history.
>>Why? Dathan was a Jewish villain
>>and traitor and Robinson was Jewish
>>and played villains. Also, he was
>>grateful to DeMille for casting
>>him,,despite their political differences.
>And he was woefully miscast. Billy
>Crystal does a devastating impression of
>Robinson in THE TEN
>COMMANDMENTS.
You just need to grow up and stop expecting actors to play the same
roles
over and over in order to support
your fantasy world.
>>Robinson had been a victim of the
>>Hollywood blacklist and when DeMille
>>learned about that, he hired him...yeah,
>>that evil conservative DeMille.
>DeMille is the guy who tried to ram a
>loyalty oath through the Director's Guild.
>Thank God John Ford stood up to him.
Yes, thank God the Directors Guild was
saved from having to affirm American
values.
>He also
>hired< blacklisted composer Elmer
>Bernstein for THE TEN
>COMMANDMENTS. As Brando said of
>CC, he was a "mixed bag."
You can be in favor of allegiance to
basic American values and against
Communism and still be against
blacklisting. Where's the
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:20 pm
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George, it's hopeless if you can't admit (and clearly see) that Edward
G. Robinson as Dathan was an idiotic piece of casting. Who cares if
both were Jewish? It's like Tony Curtis in Spartacus with his Bronx
accent screaming "I'm Spah-tah-cus!"
Characters in Biblical pieces shouldn't have New York accents, George.
Even you should admit this.
As for DeMille, I don't despise him because of his right-wing
politics. I disagree with his views during the McCarthy era and
disagree with him on just about everything politically. But I won't
deny CB's tremendous influence and occasional flashes of brilliance. I
also think he was a pretty good actor from the glimpses we get in
Sunset Blvd.
One of the great campy scenes in movie history occurs in CB's
underrated (and hilarious!!) 1932 movie, Sign of the Cross. Check out
Charles Laughton as Nero, licking his fingers as alligators and
gorillas rape maidens in the Roman arena. Dwarfs are decapitated,
elephants squash to death Christians... it's CB at his most depraved
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:22 pm
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George, it's hopeless if you can't admit (and clearly see) that Edward
G. Robinson as Dathan was an idiotic piece of casting. Who cares if
both were Jewish? It's like Tony Curtis in Spartacus with his Bronx
accent screaming "I'm Spah-tah-cus!"
Characters in Biblical pieces shouldn't have New York accents, George.
Even you should admit this.
As for DeMille, I don't despise him because of his right-wing
politics. I disagree with his views during the McCarthy era and
disagree with him on just about everything politically. But I won't
deny CB's tremendous influence and occasional flashes of brilliance. I
also think he was a pretty good actor from the glimpses we get in
Sunset Blvd.
One of the great campy scenes in movie history occurs in CB's
underrated (and hilarious!!) 1932 movie, Sign of the Cross. Check out
Charles Laughton as Nero, licking his fingers as alligators and
gorillas rape maidens in the Roman arena. Dwarfs are decapitated,
elephants squash to death Christians... it's CB at his most depraved
and artful. >> Stay informed about: The best performance Chaplin never gave |
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:05 pm
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ulysses.DeleteThis@mscomm.com (Candace) wrote:
>George, it's hopeless if you can't admi
>(and clearly see) that Edward
>G. Robinson as Dathan was an idiotic
>piece of casting. Who cares if both were
>Jewish? It's like Tony Curtis in Spartacus
>with his Bronx accent screaming "I'm
>Spah-tah-cus!"
Robinson's speech is in no way comparable to Curtis's.
But by casting DeMille as Dathan, you're
just making a political point against
DeMille, not making an esthetic
judgment.
I think Robinson was fine.
>Characters in Biblical pieces shouldn't
>have New York accents, George. Even
>you should admit this.
I think Robinson's gangster persona
was appropriate for Dathan/ >> Stay informed about: The best performance Chaplin never gave |
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:51 pm
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On May 16, 3:35 pm, G-HE....RemoveThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6....RemoveThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> >There was a juicy role for C.B. in The
> >Ten Commandments: Dathan, who was
> >played by Edward G. Robinson, in one of
> >the worst mis-castings in cinema history.
> >>Why? Dathan was a Jewish villain
> >>and traitor and Robinson was Jewish
> >>and played villains. Also, he was
> >>grateful to DeMille for casting
> >>him,,despite their political differences.
> >And he was woefully miscast. Billy
> >Crystal does a devastating impression of
> >Robinson in THE TEN
> >COMMANDMENTS.
>
> You just need to grow up and stop expecting actors to play the same
> roles
> over and over in order to support
> your fantasy world.
>
> >>Robinson had been a victim of the
> >>Hollywood blacklist and when DeMille
> >>learned about that, he hired him...yeah,
> >>that evil conservative DeMille.
> >DeMille is the guy who tried to ram a
> >loyalty oath through the Director's Guild.
> >Thank God John Ford stood up to him.
>
> Yes, thank God the Directors Guild was
> saved from having to affirm American
> values.
I don't expect that you'll ever understand, but it's un-American to
HAVE "to affirm American values." Freedom of speech is meaningless
unless it also includes the freedom not to speak.
>
> >He also
> >hired< blacklisted composer Elmer
> >Bernstein for THE TEN
> >COMMANDMENTS. As Brando said of
> >CC, he was a "mixed bag."
>
> You can be in favor of allegiance to
> basic American values and against
> Communism and still be against
> blacklisting. Where's the
> contradiction? >> Stay informed about: The best performance Chaplin never gave |
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:33 am
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David Totheroh wrote:
>I don't expect that you'll ever understand,
>but it's un-American to HAVE "to affirm
>American values." Freedom of speech is
>meaningless unless it also includes the
>freedom not to speak.
That applies to voluntary public speech,
private organizations may have their
own standards.
By the way, it's typical of you left-wing
ideologues to turn a discussion of
Chaplin possibly playing Noah into
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:03 am
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On May 16, 3:35 pm, G-HE... RemoveThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6... RemoveThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> >There was a juicy role for C.B. in The
> >Ten Commandments: Dathan, who was
> >played by Edward G. Robinson, in one of
> >the worst mis-castings in cinema history.
> >>Why? Dathan was a Jewish villain
> >>and traitor and Robinson was Jewish
> >>and played villains. Also, he was
> >>grateful to DeMille for casting
> >>him,,despite their political differences.
> >And he was woefully miscast. Billy
> >Crystal does a devastating impression of
> >Robinson in THE TEN
> >COMMANDMENTS.
>
> You just need to grow up and stop expecting actors to play the same
> roles
> over and over in order to support
> your fantasy world.
Boy, it doesn't take much to set you off.
>
> >>Robinson had been a victim of the
> >>Hollywood blacklist and when DeMille
> >>learned about that, he hired him...yeah,
> >>that evil conservative DeMille.
> >DeMille is the guy who tried to ram a
> >loyalty oath through the Director's Guild.
> >Thank God John Ford stood up to him.
>
> Yes, thank God the Directors Guild was
> saved from having to affirm American
> values.
Yes, we all know that John Ford was opposed to American values.
>
> >He also
> >hired< blacklisted composer Elmer
> >Bernstein for THE TEN
> >COMMANDMENTS. As Brando said of
> >CC, he was a "mixed bag."
>
> You can be in favor of allegiance to
> basic American values and against
> Communism and still be against
> blacklisting. Where's the
> contradiction?
To quote Joseph L Mankiewicz, "My closest friend is Merian Cooper and
he happens to be a brigadier general in the United States Army, and
last night, as we were having dinner, Coop said he wouldn't sign any
goddam loyalty oath and he said what we were making was a blacklist,
and if a brigadier general in the Army tells me it's a blacklist, then
it's a goddam blacklist." >> Stay informed about: The best performance Chaplin never gave |
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:50 am
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"But by casting DeMille as Dathan, you're
just making a political point against
DeMille, not making an esthetic
judgment."
False. If I was making a political point I would argue that C.B.
should have been drawn, quartered and pilloried for his politics. I
would suggest he be blacklisted and disappear like countless souls CB
wished "gone." Instead I'm suggesting he expand his directorial
prowess by also acting in one of his bloated epics. To suggest CB
would give a better performance than Edward G. Robinson, a truly great
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:19 pm
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Richard Carnahan wrote:
>Yes, we all know that John Ford was
>opposed to American values.
Ford was on the left at that time,
but he later conciliated with DeMille.
>To quote Joseph L Mankiewicz, "My
>closest friend is Merian Cooper and he
>happens to be a brigadier general in the
>United States Army, and last night, as
>we were having dinner, Coop said he
>wouldn't sign any goddam loyalty oath
>and he said what we were making was a
>blacklist, and if a brigadier general in the
>Army tells me it's a blacklist, then it's a
>goddam blacklist."
He should have thought for himself.
It wasn't a blacklist.
And Wesley Clark is a general, too,
and a grateful nation ought to celebrate
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:25 pm
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ulysses DeleteThis @mscomm.com (Candace)
wrote:
>>"But by casting DeMille as Dathan,
>>you're just making a political point
>>against DeMille, not making an esthetic
>>judgment."
>False. If I was making a political point I
>would argue that C.B. should have been
>drawn, quartered and pilloried for his
>politics.
Ah, the tolerance of the left, what
a wondrous thing!
> I would suggest he be blacklisted and
>disappear like countless souls CB
>wished "gone."
Who?
> Instead I'm suggesting he expand his
>directorial prowess by also acting in one
>of his bloated epics. To suggest CB
>would give a better performance than
>Edward G. Robinson, a truly great actor,
>is a major compliment.
Baloney. You were making a disguised
political point about DeMille's character.
Furthermore, DeMille was 75 when he
made this 'bloated epic," which was
too old for Dathan, as you well know.
(Amazing how DeMilles "bloated"
movies are revived year after year...) >> Stay informed about: The best performance Chaplin never gave |
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:59 am
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Who cares if DeMille was "too old" for Dathan? Robinson was too New
York-y and also too old for the part. He was ridiculously miscast so
it's immaterial whether C.B. would have been miscast as well.
Robinson also ran around with an open toga the whole movie revealing a
very unflattering flabby stomach. CB was trimmer than Eddie and
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:11 pm
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On May 17, 7:19 pm, G-HE....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> Richard Carnahan wrote:
> >Yes, we all know that John Ford was
> >opposed to American values.
>
> Ford was on the left at that time,
> but he later conciliated with DeMille.
Ford's position was about ethics and common sense, not politics.
>
> >To quote Joseph L Mankiewicz, "My
> >closest friend is Merian Cooper and he
> >happens to be a brigadier general in the
> >United States Army, and last night, as
> >we were having dinner, Coop said he
> >wouldn't sign any goddam loyalty oath
> >and he said what we were making was a
> >blacklist, and if a brigadier general in the
> >Army tells me it's a blacklist, then it's a
> >goddam blacklist."
>
> He should have thought for himself.
> It wasn't a blacklist.
It was according to the Supreme Court.
>
> And Wesley Clark is a general, too,
> and a grateful nation ought to celebrate
> his retirement.
Good luck in finding any living general--retired or active--who
doesn't think that George W. Bush isn't the worst President in modern
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:39 pm
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On May 18, 6:55 pm, G-HE... DeleteThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> Richard Carnahan wrote:
> >Good luck in finding any living
> >general--retired or active--who doesn't
> >think that George W. Bush isn't the worst
> >President in modern American history.
>
> General Petraeus....but I thought
> Ronald Reagan was the 'worst,"
> or was it Ike. or....now which Republican
> was it? Teddy Roosevelt? Lincoln?
Can you imagine either Teddy Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln making it
through a Republican primary season today? Sad. And let's see what
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:55 pm
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Richard Carnahan wrote:
>Good luck in finding any living
>general--retired or active--who doesn't
>think that George W. Bush isn't the worst
>President in modern American history.
General Petraeus....but I thought
Ronald Reagan was the 'worst,"
or was it Ike. or....now which Republican
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:03 pm
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On May 18, 9:09 pm, G-HE....DeleteThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6....DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
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> >And let's see what Petraeus has to say
> >after >he< retires.
>
> Oh sure, he's just putting his career
> on the line to play George Bush's
> poodle.
With Tony Blair leaving office, Bush needs a new poodle.
>
> I find it revolting and repulsive that
> you and the Democratic Party are
> playing politics with this war just
> in order to regain the White House
> in 2006.
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