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JPM III

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:00 pm
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>>Smith states that it's "happening exactly as before",
>>indicating that the system's various functions preceding the end of a
>>cycle
>>are in place. The other Smith's clarification -- "well, not exactly" --
>>simply acknowledges that it's a new cycle with new humans and new choices
>>being made.
>
> ... "Well, not exactly" is self-referencing: Smith is saying that the
> difference is Smith, surely?

Neo is different too.

As are all the people in Zion.

The ingredients are subtly different each time, but they're always the same
types: humans, machines, and an anomaly to bring the two together in just
that special way. :)

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:53 am
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In message <aZR1g.51730$gE.8048@dukeread06>, JPM III
<jpmccord.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes
>>>Smith states that it's "happening exactly as before",
>>>indicating that the system's various functions preceding the end of a
>>>cycle
>>>are in place. The other Smith's clarification -- "well, not exactly" --
>>>simply acknowledges that it's a new cycle with new humans and new choices
>>>being made.
>>
>> ... "Well, not exactly" is self-referencing: Smith is saying that the
>> difference is Smith, surely?
>
>Neo is different too.
>
>As are all the people in Zion.
>
>The ingredients are subtly different each time, but they're always the same
>types: humans, machines, and an anomaly to bring the two together in just
>that special way. :)

I appreciate all that on a larger scale - but Smith's ego, and his
self-satisfied smile when he says the line, suggests that he considers
himself the difference, surely?

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:50 am
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>>>>Smith states that it's "happening exactly as before",
>>>>indicating that the system's various functions preceding the end of a
>>>>cycle
>>>>are in place. The other Smith's clarification -- "well, not exactly" --
>>>>simply acknowledges that it's a new cycle with new humans and new
>>>>choices
>>>>being made.
>>>
>>> ... "Well, not exactly" is self-referencing: Smith is saying that the
>>> difference is Smith, surely?
>>
>>Neo is different too.
>>
>>As are all the people in Zion.
>>
>>The ingredients are subtly different each time, but they're always the
>>same
>>types: humans, machines, and an anomaly to bring the two together in just
>>that special way. :)
>
> I appreciate all that on a larger scale - but Smith's ego, and his
> self-satisfied smile when he says the line, suggests that he considers
> himself the difference, surely?

To some extent, sure. But as an isolated program -- a rogue one, at that --
his sight would be quite limited. Like humans, his experience or accumulated
memory should be the result of where he's been, what he's seen, and what
information has been given to him.

As a program, he may be behaving entirely differently than in the past. Or
maybe his replicating behavior is exactly what he's always done, or what
some other program has always done at this point in the process.

But I think it's all a result of Neo being different from the other
anomalies (as almost every program interacting with him recognizes at some
point). Smith gets to experience a bit of ego because, after his experience
with Neo, he can break the rules and achieve some virtual form of
self-satisfaction as he gains more power.

But, really, Smith's differences are only an effect, not the cause. The
anomaly inherent in the system are what caused Smith to be different.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:21 pm
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In article <d18yvMAu9ISEFwbY DeleteThis @slipgate-adsl.demon.co.uk>,
Gavin Smith <gsmith DeleteThis @slipgate-adsl.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <aZR1g.51730$gE.8048@dukeread06>, JPM III
> <jpmccord DeleteThis @hotmail.com> writes
> >>>Smith states that it's "happening exactly as before",
> >>>indicating that the system's various functions preceding the end of a
> >>>cycle
> >>>are in place. The other Smith's clarification -- "well, not exactly" --
> >>>simply acknowledges that it's a new cycle with new humans and new choices
> >>>being made.
> >>
> >> ... "Well, not exactly" is self-referencing: Smith is saying that the
> >> difference is Smith, surely?
> >
> >Neo is different too.
> >
> >As are all the people in Zion.
> >
> >The ingredients are subtly different each time, but they're always the same
> >types: humans, machines, and an anomaly to bring the two together in just
> >that special way. :)
>
> I appreciate all that on a larger scale - but Smith's ego, and his
> self-satisfied smile when he says the line, suggests that he considers
> himself the difference, surely?

Well, not to Paul - to him it's the key to the entire plot. :)


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