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Miki Kocic

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:12 am
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This is just a list of examples to get a discussion started.

Good spy flicks:

- _The Good Shepherd_
- _The 39 Steps_

Bad spy flicks:

- the whole James Bond series since _Dr. No_
- the whole Jason Bourne series

Special mention:

_The Nude Bomb_ (a 1980s Maxwell Smart movie)

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:30 pm
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On Oct 20, 11:12 am, Miki Kocic <em... RemoveThis @munged.com> wrote:
> This is just a list of examples to get a discussion started.
>
> Good spy flicks:
>
> - _The Good Shepherd_
> - _The 39 Steps_
>
> Bad spy flicks:
>
> - the whole James Bond series since _Dr. No_
> - the whole Jason Bourne series
>
> Special mention:
>
> _The Nude Bomb_ (a 1980s Maxwell Smart movie)

One of the most intriguing spy movies to come out recently is Breach.
Theres little action, which I suspect is a spy's true life, but heavy
on the puzzle of the Catholic Spy turned traitor that's a true story.
After you see Chris Cooper in this, you will know how subtle acting is
done. Academy, PLEASE remember this movie and just hand the Best Actor
award to Chris Cooper.

As far as the others go, the Bond and Bourne movies are just fun to
watch, not real spy movies.

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Brian

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:45 pm
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Off the top of my head,

Good spy flicks:

The Ipcress File (1965)
The Quiller Memorandum (1966)
A Dandy in Aspic (1968)
The Spy Who Came in From the Cold (1965)
Destiny of a Spy (1969 - TV)

Not so good:

Scorpio (1973)
The Executioner (1970)
The Eiger Sanction (1975)
The Double Man (1967)
The Looking Glass War (1969)
The Mackintosh Man (1973)
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Sean O'Hara

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:09 am
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In the Year of the Golden Pig, the Great and Powerful Miki Kocic
declared:
> This is just a list of examples to get a discussion started.
>
> Good spy flicks:
>
> - _The Good Shepherd_
> - _The 39 Steps_
>

North by Northwest
The Satan Bug
Our Man Flint
In Like Flint
Ice Station Zebra
Hunt for Red October
Decision before Dawn
The Manchurian Candidate
Pickup on South Street

> Bad spy flicks:
>
> - the whole James Bond series since _Dr. No_

Come on, From Russia with Love and On Her Majesty's Secret Service
are great.

If you want bad spy films, look at Topaz and The Mackintosh Man

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:05 am
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I'll trade On Her Majesty's Secret Service for Goldfinger. Admittedly,
all Bonds are on a downhill slide thereafter.
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Miki Kocic

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:54 am
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Madman wrote:
> On Oct 20, 11:12 am, Miki Kocic <em... DeleteThis @munged.com> wrote:
>> This is just a list of examples to get a discussion started.
>>
>> Good spy flicks:
>>
>> - _The Good Shepherd_
>> - _The 39 Steps_
>>
>> Bad spy flicks:
>>
>> - the whole James Bond series since _Dr. No_
>> - the whole Jason Bourne series
>>
>> Special mention:
>>
>> _The Nude Bomb_ (a 1980s Maxwell Smart movie)
>
> One of the most intriguing spy movies to come out recently is Breach.
> Theres little action, which I suspect is a spy's true life, but heavy
> on the puzzle of the Catholic Spy turned traitor that's a true story.
> After you see Chris Cooper in this, you will know how subtle acting is
> done. Academy, PLEASE remember this movie and just hand the Best Actor
> award to Chris Cooper.
>
> As far as the others go, the Bond and Bourne movies are just fun to
> watch, not real spy movies.
>

If _Breach_ is on DVD I'll look it up. But when you say "Catholic Spy,"
do you mean an agent working for the Vatican or just one who is Catholic
by religion?

Miki
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Miki Kocic

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:58 am
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El Klauso wrote:
> I'll trade On Her Majesty's Secret Service for Goldfinger. Admittedly,
> all Bonds are on a downhill slide thereafter.
>

I recall it as _*In* Her Majesty's Secret Service_. It's a standard
weekday 2:00 a.m. TV staple around here, but I haven't bothered to watch
it for some time.

Miki
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:55 pm
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On Oct 20, 11:12 am, Miki Kocic <em... DeleteThis @munged.com> wrote:
> This is just a list of examples to get a discussion started.
>
> Good spy flicks:
>
> - _The Good Shepherd_
> - _The 39 Steps_

A recent one that was really good is The Lives of Others (german)
about an East German playwright who has his place bugged by the
Stasi.

Also, The Conversation
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:19 pm
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On Oct 21, 1:19 am, El Klauso <Klau....RemoveThis@Verizon.net> wrote:
> I'll trade On Her Majesty's Secret Service for Goldfinger. Admittedly,
> all Bonds are on a downhill slide thereafter.

I think the recent Casino Royale remake was the best Bond film since
OHMSS; there is hope for the franchise now that they've taken all of
Bond's toys away except for his gun and his wits and he isn't battling
some ubervillian who is trying to take over or destroy the world.

I thought Munich was a pretty good spy film.

Another underrated spy film was Clint Eastwood's Firefox.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:11 pm
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"The Mask of Demetrios"
One of his backstories is his career as a spy. He entraps a pathetic
clerk in the defence ministry and blackmails him into stealing
secrets. You wouldn't know it to watch James Bond, but that is what a
spy does. He steals secrets by using vulnerable people ruthlessly, and
the number of movies actually showing this are in the low single
digits.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:03 pm
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On Oct 21, 7:41 pm, Howard Brazee <how....RemoveThis@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:59:03 -0400, Sean O'Hara <seanoh....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I'll trade On Her Majesty's Secret Service for Goldfinger.
>
> >Goldfinger is highly overrated. Have you ever paid attention to
> >Bond's accomplishments in the film:
>
> >o Gets two girls killed
> >o Gets captured and spends over half the movie that way
> >o Convinces Pussy Galore to betray Goldfinger
> >o Jimmies the nuke open and almost detonates it by pulling the wrong
> >wire
>
> >Turning Pussy Galore is his only positive achievement in the movie.
>
> But it had such fun bad guys.

And Shirley Bassey singing Goldfinger
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Sean O'Hara

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:59 pm
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In the Year of the Golden Pig, the Great and Powerful El Klauso
declared:
> I'll trade On Her Majesty's Secret Service for Goldfinger.

Goldfinger is highly overrated. Have you ever paid attention to
Bond's accomplishments in the film:

o Gets two girls killed
o Gets captured and spends over half the movie that way
o Convinces Pussy Galore to betray Goldfinger
o Jimmies the nuke open and almost detonates it by pulling the wrong
wire

Turning Pussy Galore is his only positive achievement in the movie.

--
Sean O'Hara <http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com>
Murphy: I'm concerned that you stood up in front of three hundred
people in a black church and told them that they were not a factor
and never would be as long as we remain in the pocket of the
insurance lobby!
-Bulworth
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:59 pm
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:59:03 -0400, Sean O'Hara <seanohara.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> I'll trade On Her Majesty's Secret Service for Goldfinger.
>
>Goldfinger is highly overrated. Have you ever paid attention to
>Bond's accomplishments in the film:
>
>o Gets two girls killed
>o Gets captured and spends over half the movie that way
>o Convinces Pussy Galore to betray Goldfinger
>o Jimmies the nuke open and almost detonates it by pulling the wrong
>wire
>
>Turning Pussy Galore is his only positive achievement in the movie.

But it had such fun bad guys.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:46 pm
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Michael O'Connor <mpoconnor7 DeleteThis @aol.com> burped up warm pablum in
news:1193005197.619743.308830@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> I think the recent Casino Royale remake was the best Bond film since
> OHMSS; there is hope for the franchise now that they've taken all of
> Bond's toys away except for his gun and his wits...

and his poison control kit.

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