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psilojoe

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:26 am
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This is something my girlfriend recently pointed out to me and i cant
believe i never thought of it before, from the first encounter with the
xenomorph in alien it is made very clear that once the xenomorph hatches
from its host it grows VERY FAST, so that in a matter of hours it has grown
to full size, wityh apparently no food to fuel its growth, therefore say you
could capture the chestburster and observe it you would very clearly SEE it
growing, and changing colour as it did so, the same way as a you can see a
snail making progress as it walks along. It seems odd that in 4 Alien films
this was never shown, or even hinted at, on camera, despite the fact that in
'ressurection' they do actually capture a chestburster (queen no less) and
contain it in a confined space until it grows to full size. Instead we see
the burster immediately after it is removed from Ripley and the 2nd time we
see it it has already reached full size in all its royal glory, dont know
about you but i would LOVE to see a sequence in an alien film where we
actually witness this rapid growth,as im sure it would look awesome, still
it may never happen, just a thought though........

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:58 am
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Yeah, that would be something to see. But then, in Alien 3 it somehow
seems the beast is full size as soon as it rips out of the host. Is
that true or did I misunderstand what I saw in that scene? I've never
heard an explaination for why it is full size immediately.


Barry D. Scheffel

"psilojoe" <joe_infinity@(REMOVETHIS)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3fb96626$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>...
> This is something my girlfriend recently pointed out to me and i cant
> believe i never thought of it before, from the first encounter with the
> xenomorph in alien it is made very clear that once the xenomorph hatches
> from its host it grows VERY FAST, so that in a matter of hours it has grown
> to full size, wityh apparently no food to fuel its growth, therefore say you
> could capture the chestburster and observe it you would very clearly SEE it
> growing, and changing colour as it did so, the same way as a you can see a
> snail making progress as it walks along. It seems odd that in 4 Alien films
> this was never shown, or even hinted at, on camera, despite the fact that in
> 'ressurection' they do actually capture a chestburster (queen no less) and
> contain it in a confined space until it grows to full size. Instead we see
> the burster immediately after it is removed from Ripley and the 2nd time we
> see it it has already reached full size in all its royal glory, dont know
> about you but i would LOVE to see a sequence in an alien film where we
> actually witness this rapid growth,as im sure it would look awesome, still
> it may never happen, just a thought though........

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:47 am
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I the original and in 3 the rapid growth is at least shown to be supported
by a large consumption of food.

In the original Alien
The Alien is birthed, then they take a few hours to build the scanner and
start searching the ship for it. In the meantime, the alien has broken into
the cargo hold where the animals are being kept. This is the same place from
where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown onscreen that the
alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.

In Alien 3
The Alien is birthed from a dog, but I think at some point it is revealed in
dialogue that some of the livestock has been slaughtered.

In Resurrection
You're right, they take the queen larva from Ripley and we don't see it
again until it's a full grown queen. Who's to say how much time passes from
the scenes of Ripley's awakening to the arrival of the "space pirates?"

psilojoe <joe_infinity@(REMOVETHIS)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fb96626$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
: This is something my girlfriend recently pointed out to me and i cant
: believe i never thought of it before, from the first encounter with the
: xenomorph in alien it is made very clear that once the xenomorph hatches
: from its host it grows VERY FAST, so that in a matter of hours it has
grown
: to full size, wityh apparently no food to fuel its growth, therefore say
you
: could capture the chestburster and observe it you would very clearly SEE
it
: growing, and changing colour as it did so, the same way as a you can see a
: snail making progress as it walks along. It seems odd that in 4 Alien
films
: this was never shown, or even hinted at, on camera, despite the fact that
in
: 'ressurection' they do actually capture a chestburster (queen no less) and
: contain it in a confined space until it grows to full size. Instead we see
: the burster immediately after it is removed from Ripley and the 2nd time
we
: see it it has already reached full size in all its royal glory, dont know
: about you but i would LOVE to see a sequence in an alien film where we
: actually witness this rapid growth,as im sure it would look awesome, still
: it may never happen, just a thought though........
:
:
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:07 am
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 04:47:12 -0800, "Tweek" <noway.DeleteThis@jose.com> wrote:

>I the original and in 3 the rapid growth is at least shown to be supported
>by a large consumption of food.
>
>In the original Alien
>The Alien is birthed, then they take a few hours to build the scanner and
>start searching the ship for it. In the meantime, the alien has broken into
>the cargo hold where the animals are being kept. This is the same place from
>where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown onscreen that the
>alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.

Despite seeing the films numerous times I've managed to miss that
every time. Or is that something added in the directors' cut?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:02 pm
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In article <3fb9fd33.2298054.RemoveThis@News.cis.dfn.de>, boardwalk.RemoveThis@spamcop.com
(boardwalk) wrote:

<<
Despite seeing the films numerous times I've managed to miss that
every time. Or is that something added in the directors' cut? >><BR><BR>



I think it must be in the "I've managed to miss that every time" cut
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:04 pm
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In article <b8469162.0311180058.1b48e646.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>,
scheffbd.RemoveThis@marmoset.net (Barry D. Scheffel) wrote:

<<
Yeah, that would be something to see. But then, in Alien 3 it somehow
seems the beast is full size as soon as it rips out of the host. Is
that true or did I misunderstand what I saw in that scene? I've never
heard an explaination for why it is full size immediately.

In Alien 3, the creature that bursts out is a small creature but then again, it
is fully formed and did not have to undergo the metamorphosis that the alien in
the first movie did
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:12 pm
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In article <3fb96626$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, "psilojoe"
<joe_infinity@(REMOVETHIS)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

<< This is something my girlfriend recently pointed out to me and i cant
believe i never thought of it before, from the first encounter with the
xenomorph in alien it is made very clear that once the xenomorph hatches
from its host it grows VERY FAST, so that in a matter of hours it has grown
to full size, wityh apparently no food to fuel its growth, therefore say you
could capture the chestburster and observe it you would very clearly SEE it
growing, and changing colour as it did so, the same way as a you can see a
snail making progress as it walks along. It seems odd that in 4 Alien films
this was never shown, or even hinted at, on camera, despite the fact that in
'ressurection' they do actually capture a chestburster (queen no less) and
contain it in a confined space until it grows to full size. Instead we see
the burster immediately after it is removed from Ripley and the 2nd time we
see it it has already reached full size in all its royal glory, dont know
about you but i would LOVE to see a sequence in an alien film where we
actually witness this rapid growth,as im sure it would look awesome, still
it may never happen, just a thought though........ >><BR><BR>


I don't know how it finally went in the view of what Giger expected, but when
he designed the vomit creature for Poltergeist 2, that suddenly grows into a
crawling humanoid limbless midget, Giger's intension was that this was a way
for himself to express the way the creature in Alien grows.

Indeed, nothing is said about the reason for the creature to grow so fast, but
Ridley's view about the monster in the first one was that it grew to a vast
size quickly and would also quickly burn out, because it was a product of
genetic engineering. I don't know if this would explain anything to anyone
really anyway, but I suppose the creature's body structure was pretty unstable.
He also thought that the dark colouring was due to bruising, as if the creature
was already starting to die as soon as it matured. I don't know if he has the
same views about the creature in this light anymore though, he might have
thought something different.

But well really, James Cameron didn't give much thought to that and I supposed
just went with the idea that the creatures were growing in a strange alien way
that didn't need explaining despite their oddity. He never was interested in
giving good explanations, it looks.


Dom
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:21 pm
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"Tweek" <noway.RemoveThis@jose.com> wrote in message
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> I the original and in 3 the rapid growth is at least shown to be supported
> by a large consumption of food.
>
> In the original Alien
> The Alien is birthed, then they take a few hours to build the scanner and
> start searching the ship for it. In the meantime, the alien has broken
into
> the cargo hold where the animals are being kept. This is the same place
from
> where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown onscreen that the
> alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.


Errmmm....

*HUH* !!???


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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:21 pm
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In article <bpdrch$ope$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

<<
> where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown onscreen that the
> alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.


Errmmm....

*HUH* !!??? >><BR><BR>



Maybe this person thinks that the shed skin found on the floor is the remains
of some eaten animal
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:21 pm
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wmmvrrvrrmm mmrrvrrvmmw <wmmvrrvrrmm.DeleteThis@aol.commmmmmmmm> wrote in message
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:
: In article <bpdrch$ope$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
: <covenant.DeleteThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
:
: <<
: > where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown onscreen that
the
: > alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.
:
:
: Errmmm....
:
: *HUH* !!??? >><BR><BR>
:
:
:
: Maybe this person thinks that the shed skin found on the floor is the
remains
: of some eaten animal

Are you guys watching the same movie I am? Ripley and that dude with the hat
find a bunch of cages that have been broken open.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 7:19 pm
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"Tweek" <noway RemoveThis @jose.com> wrote in message
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> wmmvrrvrrmm mmrrvrrvmmw <wmmvrrvrrmm RemoveThis @aol.commmmmmmmm> wrote in message
> news:20031118162155.12300.00001723@mb-m20.aol.com...
> :
> : In article <bpdrch$ope$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> : <covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> :
> : <<
> : > where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown onscreen that
> the
> : > alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.
> :
> :
> : Errmmm....
> :
> : *HUH* !!??? >><BR><BR>
> :
> :
> :
> : Maybe this person thinks that the shed skin found on the floor is the
> remains
> : of some eaten animal
>
> Are you guys watching the same movie I am? Ripley and that dude with the
hat
> find a bunch of cages that have been broken open.



Errrrmmmmmm....

**HUH!!?????**


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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:24 pm
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Covenant <covenant.DeleteThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Tweek" <noway.DeleteThis@jose.com> wrote in message
> news:QGwub.27$ht2.4252@read2.cgocable.net...
> > wmmvrrvrrmm mmrrvrrvmmw <wmmvrrvrrmm.DeleteThis@aol.commmmmmmmm> wrote in message
> > news:20031118162155.12300.00001723@mb-m20.aol.com...
> > :
> > : In article <bpdrch$ope$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> > : <covenant.DeleteThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > :
> > : <<
> > : > where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown onscreen
that
> > the
> > : > alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.
> > :
> > :
> > : Errmmm....
> > :
> > : *HUH* !!??? >><BR><BR>
> > :
> > :
> > :
> > : Maybe this person thinks that the shed skin found on the floor is the
> > remains
> > : of some eaten animal
> >
> > Are you guys watching the same movie I am? Ripley and that dude with the
> hat
> > find a bunch of cages that have been broken open.
>
>
>
> Errrrmmmmmm....
>
> **HUH!!?????**
>
All I can think is "The Thing"?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:24 pm
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: > > : > where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown onscreen
: that
: > > the
: > > : > alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.
: > > :
: > > : Errmmm....
: > > :
: > > : *HUH* !!??? >><BR><BR>
: > > :
: > > : Maybe this person thinks that the shed skin found on the floor is
the
: > > remains
: > > : of some eaten animal
: > >
: > > Are you guys watching the same movie I am? Ripley and that dude with
the
: > hat
: > > find a bunch of cages that have been broken open.
: >
: > Errrrmmmmmm....
: >
: > **HUH!!?????**
: >
: All I can think is "The Thing"?

Am I going out of my mind?! I tell you, I saw it. There were animal boxes,
some of them were broken open, there was some blood.... clearly the Alien
had busted into some of the boxes and eaten whatever was inside. The scene
had Ripley and the dude with the hat who's the first one killed by the full
grown alien.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:29 pm
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Would be pretty cool....but what does it DO? Metabolize atmosphere?

Is it the ULTIMATE camel hump?.....this makes you think about the uses that
might be found for them and their DNA....how to use and exploit.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:56 pm
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"Tweek" <noway.DeleteThis@jose.com> wrote in message
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> : > > : > where Ripley first recovers the cat, Jonesy. It is shown
onscreen
> : that
> : > > the
> : > > : > alien has consumed several small animals in their cages.
> : > > :
> : > > : Errmmm....
> : > > :
> : > > : *HUH* !!??? >><BR><BR>
> : > > :
> : > > : Maybe this person thinks that the shed skin found on the floor is
> the
> : > > remains
> : > > : of some eaten animal
> : > >
> : > > Are you guys watching the same movie I am? Ripley and that dude with
> the
> : > hat
> : > > find a bunch of cages that have been broken open.
> : >
> : > Errrrmmmmmm....
> : >
> : > **HUH!!?????**
> : >
> : All I can think is "The Thing"?
>
> Am I going out of my mind?! I tell you, I saw it.

Yes, you are.
No, you didn't.


;' )


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