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Larry Fisher

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:15 am
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To the Group:
Glen Trew, a week ago or so, made a good suggestion of checking an
iPower system at low temperatures to see if it affected the charging
of the battery. We had done tests previously that concluded the
battery itself did very well at low temperatures and much better than
alkaline batteries. Here's the test results done by Allan Watson, our
official PITA at Lectro (I kid thee not.)

AL used a 500 mAh iPower battery that had been charged and discharged
about 10 times in other experiments around here. He discharged the
battery and then recharged it until the green light came on (about one
hour) and then ran it down in an LM transmitter. The LM is a little
lighter load than the UM400 transmitters. The battery lasted 5:12.

He then put the discharged battery and the charger in a cold chamber
for 1 hour until everything got down to 40 F. He then put the cold
battery into the cold charger, powered it up and charged it until the
green light came on which was 15 minutes longer than at room
temperature, 1 hour and 15 minutes (1:15). He then removed the battery
from the charger and let the charged battery warm up to room
temperature for 20 minutes. This time it ran the LM for 4:19. The
ratio is 0.83 or 83% of the room temperature charging value. A 17%
reduction is not bad. We didn't try charging the battery longer in the
cold though it might have charged a little more. Frankly, it seemed
pretty good as it was. The reason we did 40F (4.4 C) was that we
figured a mixer could find a place that was at least that warm if they
had power available to charge the battery. (After all they could use a
UCR200 as a warming pad.)
Best Regards,
Larry Fisher
Lectrosonics

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Stacy Brownrigg, CAS

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:15 am
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Larry,

Thanks for the testing. I'm curious what the run time would be if you
discharged the battery in the 40 degree temp. instead of bringing it
to room temp?

Stacy Brownrigg, CAS

On Feb 6, 10:15 am, Larry Fisher <lectroson....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> To the Group:

> He then put the discharged battery and the charger in a cold chamber
> for 1 hour until everything got down to 40 F. He then put the cold
> battery into the cold charger, powered it up and charged it until the
> green light came on which was 15 minutes longer than at room
> temperature, 1 hour and 15 minutes (1:15). He then removed the battery
> from the charger and let the charged battery warm up to room
> temperature for 20 minutes. This time it ran the LM for 4:19. The
> ratio is 0.83 or 83% of the room temperature charging value. A 17%
> reduction is not bad. We didn't try charging the battery longer in the
> cold though it might have charged a little more. Frankly, it seemed
> pretty good as it was. The reason we did 40F (4.4 C) was that we
> figured a mixer could find a place that was at least that warm if they
> had power available to charge the battery. (After all they could use a
> UCR200 as a warming pad.)
> Best Regards,
> Larry Fisher
> Lectrosonics

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Gtrew

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:25 am
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Thanks Larry. Good test. This almost 20% difference, in combination
with attritional expected from 50+ discharge cycles, may explain the
difference some people started noticing when it turned colder. The
moral of the story is to try to charge at room temp. However, charging
stations for these batteries are usually either on the set with the
sound department's utility cart or on an unheated truck. So, when the
set is an exterior location in winter, the charging temp will often be
well below 40F.

Glen Trew
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Larry Fisher

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:49 pm
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Hi Stacy,
We did the room temp discharge since that simplified the
interpretation of the results. We tried to measure only one variable.
That is to say, how much charge is put into the battery at low
temperatures rather than how much charge can be put in at low
temperatures and then gotten out at low temperatures.

In addition, previous tests have shown (FAQ#89) that the iPower is not
affected much by temperatures even lower than 40F.
Best Regards,
Larry Fisher
Lectrosonics

On 6 Feb 2007 09:10:47 -0800, "Stacy Brownrigg, CAS"
<stacysound.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

>Larry,
>
>Thanks for the testing. I'm curious what the run time would be if you
>discharged the battery in the 40 degree temp. instead of bringing it
>to room temp?
>
>Stacy Brownrigg, CAS
>
>On Feb 6, 10:15 am, Larry Fisher <lectroson....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> To the Group:
>
>> He then put the discharged battery and the charger in a cold chamber
>> for 1 hour until everything got down to 40 F. He then put the cold
>> battery into the cold charger, powered it up and charged it until the
>> green light came on which was 15 minutes longer than at room
>> temperature, 1 hour and 15 minutes (1:15). He then removed the battery
>> from the charger and let the charged battery warm up to room
>> temperature for 20 minutes. This time it ran the LM for 4:19. The
>> ratio is 0.83 or 83% of the room temperature charging value. A 17%
>> reduction is not bad. We didn't try charging the battery longer in the
>> cold though it might have charged a little more. Frankly, it seemed
>> pretty good as it was. The reason we did 40F (4.4 C) was that we
>> figured a mixer could find a place that was at least that warm if they
>> had power available to charge the battery. (After all they could use a
>> UCR200 as a warming pad.)
>> Best Regards,
>> Larry Fisher
>> Lectrosonics
>
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davesound1

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:37 pm
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Larry, Glen and Company,
For what it is worth I have recently had the resources to test 9volt
Procells vs Lithium vs the iPower in 40 degree and less temps. (Lectro
211 w/UM200C and Lectro 411 with UM400C)
We are talking charging and discharging of iPowers in 40 and under
weather.
Quick Results:
While the Lithiums worked fantastic inside the warm transmitters they
performed the worst inside the cold receivers that I had stationed on
a pancake/c-stand setup. The colder it got the worse they got while
the iPower and Procells lasted a good and consistent 3-4 hours. I even
decided to swap the Lithiums out of the client IFB's as they were
wearing them on their belts and not in their pants pockets as
instructed in order to extend runtime.
The extended recharge time of the iPowers in the cold threw me for a
loop at first, but is no big deal.
So in the cold I found that the iPower outlasted Procells and Lithiums
and are rechargeable.
Hope my 2cents helps.

Dave
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Larry Fisher

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:19 am
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Hi Dave,
That 2 cents is worth at least 20 cents . Thanks for the real world
input that helps confirm our somewhat casual tests. It helps make it
worth doing.
Best Regards,
Larry Fisher
Lectrosonics


On 6 Feb 2007 20:37:57 -0800, "davesound1@gmail.com"
<davesound1.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>Larry, Glen and Company,
>For what it is worth I have recently had the resources to test 9volt
>Procells vs Lithium vs the iPower in 40 degree and less temps. (Lectro
>211 w/UM200C and Lectro 411 with UM400C)
>We are talking charging and discharging of iPowers in 40 and under
>weather.
>Quick Results:
>While the Lithiums worked fantastic inside the warm transmitters they
>performed the worst inside the cold receivers that I had stationed on
>a pancake/c-stand setup. The colder it got the worse they got while
>the iPower and Procells lasted a good and consistent 3-4 hours. I even
>decided to swap the Lithiums out of the client IFB's as they were
>wearing them on their belts and not in their pants pockets as
>instructed in order to extend runtime.
>The extended recharge time of the iPowers in the cold threw me for a
>loop at first, but is no big deal.
>So in the cold I found that the iPower outlasted Procells and Lithiums
>and are rechargeable.
>Hope my 2cents helps.
>
>Dave
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