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Since: Jun 22, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:19 pm
Post subject: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders
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I'm curious about the iRiver iHP recorder. I'm mostly interested in
it for recreational use, but being that it seems that this (and maybe
also the Nomad recorder) also might work as a backup recorder, it
seems to make sense to get the one that theoretically could be
reliable enough to use at work, even if only in emergency situations.
So, has anyone used this thing in real-world situations and have
experiences to report? I've done a few google searches here and in
other groups and it sounds like the only drawback is a problem of
sample drops every minute or so, which from the posts sounds like it
may or may not be a real-world problem. There was a mention in an old
thread about recording time limitations to about an hour per file (not
much of a real-world problem either) but I wonder if this has been
addressed -- that referred to a previous version of the machine.
Secondly, does anyone who has one know anything about replacing the
internal battery? I'm hoping that this is possible and it's not
something like the Apple iPod (see www.ipodsdirtysecret.com).
I get the impression from various web searches that the Creative Nomad
Jukebox 3 is no longer being made. I'm also curious if anyone has any
insights on that versus the iRiver...I know it doesn't have the sample
drop problem, but I'm wondering if there is anything else. It does
seem to have easily removable internal batteries, but alas, they are
proprietary, so I'm not sure it makes a difference. It's also much
bigger, which is a drawback.
Thanks for any input you might have!
Regards,
Noah Timan
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:17 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:02 am
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Steve Ravich wrote:
> I have been looking at the same scenario Noah.
> A colleague here in OZ is using one as a backup and tells me the iRiver
> drops out or glitches every 80seconds or so. He also said it is only really
> evident when inputting a pure signal such as tone. For the most part it is
> very hard to detect. He has also managed to re wire the remote for one touch
> recording.
> I have the NJB(first model) which only records for around 15Mins before
> starting a new track. Thats not really a drama but it is too big and power
> hungry to use in a bag set up for me.
The NJB3 will only record ten hours before it writes a new track. And with two
internal batteries you can get 15 hours or more record time.
Best,
John >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:44 am
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I like the look of the Marantz PDR670 myself, although it's $700. But
it looks like it really beats DAT or any of the consumer recorders.
I've never found consumer gear to be that much use in a pro
environment, you wind up having to remember so many adapters and
quirks that it turns out to be harder and more expensive than a
dedicated recorder, in some cases.
For example, although the nomad jukebox is a cool thing you would need
a fairly decent mixer to give microphone preamplification and low-cut
filtering, not to mention metering; plus a y-cable to take the output
of the mixer to the line-in of the nomad - get ready for crosstalk. >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:05 pm
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So far, the IRiver H120 is working great for me as a replacement for a
mini-DAT as a backup recorder in a video doc rig. It seems the be the
"Deva-Man" I wished for
2 years ago-- a simple and inexpensive 2 track hard-disk recorder.
In my tests I recorded on it while shaking it violently--no problem.
It will run fine off external DC, matches well with the "tape" outputs
of SD and Shure mixers and sounds good to me. I liked the Nomad
recorder too, but felt that the design, the control/connector layout
and the remote of the IRiver works better for bag rigs, and it can
talk to a Mac (OSX) with no extra drivers etc.. In my experience,
the occasional audio glitch is very editable or treatable w/
de-clicking software in a DAW.
I think we will be seeing a lot of these things doing many kinds of
jobs very soon.
Philip Perkins CAS >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:00 am
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It should have to be possible. Any test done?
this_isnot_it.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Noah Timan) wrote in message news:<cd345c55.0407120017.5610c6ad.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
> Kurt Albershardt <kurt.RemoveThis@nv.net> wrote in message
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> > So far no way to talk to Macs.
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> Ah, that might be a dealbreaker. Can't you just mount it as a
> firewire drive on the desktop?
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> nvt >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:51 am
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The Nomad JB3 is a good sounding and reasonably robust unit- I dropped
mine from my belt pack onto the sidewalk and it still worked, despite
not really being a 'mobile' unit.
It has an awkward physical shape and menu structure, but I reccommend
it for anyone who only has a few hundred dollars and really wants
digital recording in at least two formats.
It also uses a proprietary disk format so it will not mount to a
desktop without special software.
Still, I bought one as soon as I heard of it 2 years ago and have been
very happy to record to HD with even this unit. >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:28 pm
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Fernando wrote:
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> (Noah Timan) wrote in message news:<cd345c55.0407120017.5610c6ad.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
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>>Kurt Albershardt <kurt.DeleteThis@nv.net> wrote in message
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>>> So far no way to talk to Macs.
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>> Ah, that might be a dealbreaker. Can't you just mount it as a
>> firewire drive on the desktop?
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> It should have to be possible. Any test done?
Not possible. Creative interface is proprietary. >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:10 pm
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Kurt Albershardt <kurt.RemoveThis@nv.net> wrote in message news:<2lj5vsFd4jpjU1.RemoveThis@uni-berlin.de>...
> Not possible. Creative interface is proprietary.
Hmmm, so the JB3 won't work in any way, shape, or form with a Mac, and
the iRiver iHP will lose all data for a split second every couple of
minutes, and (as I hear it) have its nonreplaceable internal battery
die in a couple of years...both would probably work fine for listening
to music in the car and other consumer applications, but it sounds
like neither is ready for professional applications for a Mac user.
How about the Archos Video Jukebox? I saw this one this past weekend
and it also professed to record in .wav in 16-bit to a 40 GB drive.
Any experiences out there?
(Please do keep in mind that I'm not trying to encourage substituting
any of these "pro"sumer recorders for a real machine, just curious if
there's an mp3 player out there that could theoretically substitute as
a backup recorder in an emergency. Thanks!)
Regards,
Noah Timan
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:49 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:01 am
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Hi Philip,
Thank you for the report.
How do you record digitally say from an S/P DIF coaxial output?
The idea is to copy digitally from a PD-4 (selecting S/P DIF instead
of AES/EBU output).
I know we need a box to convert from coaxial to optical, but I'm not
familiarized with that type of 1/8'' optical connectors...
What would be the most elegant solution to use it as a copy device?
Any tests done?
Thank you,
Fernando
spamiser.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Philip Perkins) wrote in message news:<3677d4b3.0407122205.3b51a1c1.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
> So far, the IRiver H120 is working great for me as a replacement for a
> mini-DAT as a backup recorder in a video doc rig. It seems the be the
> "Deva-Man" I wished for
> 2 years ago-- a simple and inexpensive 2 track hard-disk recorder.
> In my tests I recorded on it while shaking it violently--no problem.
> It will run fine off external DC, matches well with the "tape" outputs
> of SD and Shure mixers and sounds good to me. I liked the Nomad
> recorder too, but felt that the design, the control/connector layout
> and the remote of the IRiver works better for bag rigs, and it can
> talk to a Mac (OSX) with no extra drivers etc.. In my experience,
> the occasional audio glitch is very editable or treatable w/
> de-clicking software in a DAW.
>
> I think we will be seeing a lot of these things doing many kinds of
> jobs very soon.
>
> Philip Perkins CAS >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:35 pm
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fdi.DeleteThis@ran.es (Fernando) wrote in message news:<dcfabf52.0407140714.20d317ee.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
> Hi Philip,
>
> Thank you for the report.
> How do you record digitally say from an S/P DIF coaxial output?
> The idea is to copy digitally from a PD-4 (selecting S/P DIF instead
> of AES/EBU output).
> I know we need a box to convert from coaxial to optical, but I'm not
> familiarized with that type of 1/8'' optical connectors...
> What would be the most elegant solution to use it as a copy device?
> Any tests done?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Fernando
I don't know--I haven't tried this yet. Ask @ Core Audio--they make
the cables etc to do this for their own preamp/ADC that is toslink
out. It is an interesting idea.
Philip Perkins >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:47 pm
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On 13 Jul 2004 20:10:47 -0700, this_isnot_it.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Noah Timan)
wrote:
>the iRiver iHP will lose all data for a split second every couple of
>minutes
Hello Noah,
Very curious as to where this info came from- can you point me to a
link that suggests this and/or the test set up procedure that made
this happen. My own very primitive tests do not indicate this happens
at all. Yes, there is a glitch as the buffer seems to write to disk
(which of course depends on the sample rate), and yes, it is most
easily heard with a pure sine wave- and seems to only be the most
significant bit on the peaks for 2 to 6 individual cycles. (It doesn't
drop to zero or peak- it just doesn't increment when it should) I
think my test procedure, although rudimentary has a degree of
consistency. Of course if dealing with sine waves perhaps it is
actually possible to lose a junk of the wave, have it restart in the
right position and not actually be aware that anything is missing- but
nothing I've seen seems to indicate this happening. Most certainly no
"real world" signal seems to indicate this happening.
Grant R >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:47 pm
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Hi Grant,
Someone emailed me off-list detailing the "glitch" as being thus. He
didn't detail how he arrived at this conclusion, so take it with a
grain of salt if you like. It most concerned me in regard to sync
issues outright, but I'd have to have some sort of hands-on (or at
least ears-on) experience to comment definitively.
nvt
Grant R <notheregrobertsnospam.RemoveThis@o1z2e3m4a5i6l7dotnospamcom.au> wrote in message news:<ba9af0l3vfie6csdgco9bbhgjie03ub8qp.RemoveThis@4ax.com>...
> On 13 Jul 2004 20:10:47 -0700, this_isnot_it.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Noah Timan)
> wrote:
> >the iRiver iHP will lose all data for a split second every couple of
> >minutes
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> Hello Noah,
> Very curious as to where this info came from- can you point me to a
> link that suggests this and/or the test set up procedure that made
> this happen. >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:29 am
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Grant,
Would the "glitch" cause any problem (in terms of sync) in the unlikely
event that you have to use the backup to replace stuffed audio on the
camera?
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Grant R" <notheregrobertsnospam.RemoveThis@o1z2e3m4a5i6l7dotnospamcom.au> wrote in
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> On 13 Jul 2004 20:10:47 -0700, this_isnot_it.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Noah Timan)
> wrote:
> >the iRiver iHP will lose all data for a split second every couple of
> >minutes
>
> Hello Noah,
> Very curious as to where this info came from- can you point me to a
> link that suggests this and/or the test set up procedure that made
> this happen. My own very primitive tests do not indicate this happens
> at all. Yes, there is a glitch as the buffer seems to write to disk
> (which of course depends on the sample rate), and yes, it is most
> easily heard with a pure sine wave- and seems to only be the most
> significant bit on the peaks for 2 to 6 individual cycles. (It doesn't
> drop to zero or peak- it just doesn't increment when it should) I
> think my test procedure, although rudimentary has a degree of
> consistency. Of course if dealing with sine waves perhaps it is
> actually possible to lose a junk of the wave, have it restart in the
> right position and not actually be aware that anything is missing- but
> nothing I've seen seems to indicate this happening. Most certainly no
> "real world" signal seems to indicate this happening.
> Grant R
>
> >> Stay informed about: iRiver iHP and other consumer digital recorders |
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