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Darren

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:52 am
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Hello, all,

I finally finished what I had thought of doing for a long time now;
Compiling the Chaplin films listed in my toy projector catalogs.

One of them was very delicate and made of pulp paper, however, I got
though the project without doing any real damage to it. Another split
at the folds. :(

Below my signature line is the list of Chaplin films including their
various lengths and catalog numbers.

The misspellings for "Mustache" and "Troubadour" are reproduced
exactly as spelled in the Paramont catalog.

The fold-out-page-type catalogs are thus; 2 which came with my
"Hollywood" Montgomery Ward Co. 35mm projector and 1 Keystone 16mm toy
projector catalog that I have had for years.

It is hard to pin exact dates on any of them. The 35mm catalogs list
films containing popular 1920s silent stars. One catalog notes in
parentheses that projectors listed are "(1926 models)."

Another piece of literature that came with the 35mm projector is dated
1927. Therefore I tentatively date all 35mm catalogs being from the
1927-28 era.

The Keystone 16mm catalog contains stars from Tom Mix to Shirley
Temple. Films subjects and stars range from the mid 1910s to the
1930s. I figure that since there are no 8mm products in the fold out
catalog/flyer that it could predate that format's popularity and
originate from the 1930s.

Also, an interesting thing to note. Some of the "Hollywood Komedies"
35mm print titles are repeated in the Keystone list.

Most of the "Hollywood" brand 35mm projectors illustrated are dead
ringers for Keystone 35mms that I have seen. As proof, I own one
Keystone 35mm projector and it is exact to a "Hollywood" brand model
shown in the Montgomery Ward's catalog.

Perhaps "The Hollywood" projector and "Hollywood Komedies" were
Montgomery Ward's rebranding of the Keystone products? Unless a
Keystone 35mm catalog from the same era pops up I will never know.

Enjoy. :)


Darren Nemeth
(who someday is going to high-res scan all of his 1910s-1920 35mm
pamphlets, text books and catalogs and present them on their own site
for all to print out and enjoy)

*******

CHARLES CHAPLIN 16mm and 35mm Toy Projector Film Prints
compiled by Darren Nemeth, 3-29-04.

*******
Montgomery Ward Co.
Films, Slides and Accessories Catalog c. 1928 (all 35mm film)

"Hollywood Komedies" films
"...Do not confuse these films with discarded theatre films. They are
Brand New and printed especially for Hollywood..."

CHARLIE CHAPLIN 10ft lengths
248YO 305 - Up and Down Stairs
248YO 306 - Having Trouble with the Waiter
248YO 307 - Charlie As The Maid
248YO 308 - Behind The Scenes
248YO 309 - Kidnapped In An Auto
248YO 310 - The Waiter
248YO 311 - The Hero
248YO 312 - Saving His Mother
248YO 313 - Fun In A Bathing Suit
248YO 314 - Going Shopping
248YO 315 - In The Third Alarm
248YO 316 - And His Funny Feet
248YO 317 - The Funny Cook
248YO 318 - Playing The Hose
248YO 319 - The Office Boy
248YO 320 - Fighting The Stage Manager
248YO 321 - In Dutch Again
248YO 322 - The New Job
248YO 323 - At The Wedding Reception
248YO 324 - Charlie's Sweetheart
248YO 325 - A Fight In The Restaurant
248YO 326 - At The Fire
248YO 327 - The Roughneck
248YO 328 - The Bundle Boy
248YO 329 - Making Pies
248YO 330 - In The Trenches
248YO 334 - Assistance Wanted
248YO 336 - The Kid

CHARLIE CHAPLIN 25ft lengths
248YO 362 - Caught With The Goods
248YO 363 - Working The Trap Doors
248YO 364 - On The Fire Engine
248YO 365 - Fun In The Lunch Room
248YO 366 - The Rescue
248YO 367 - Kicked Out
248YO 368 - Charlie's Dream
248YO 369 - Saving Charlie
248YO 371 - The Immigrant
248YO 372 - The Pickpocket

CHARLIE CHAPLIN 50ft lengths
248YO 379 - Getting His Goat
248YO 380 - Thirsty Charlie
248YO 381 - The Life Saver
248YO 382 - Pinched

CHARLIE CHAPLIN 100ft lengths
248YO 389 - Free Samples At The Drug Store
248YO 390 - The Fireman
248YO 391 - Getting A Job
248YO 392 - The Bell Boy
248YO 393 - Flirting With The Nurse

********

Paramount Manufacturing Company, Boston, Mass
35mm Projector and film catalog No. 60, (c. 1927 - 28?)

CHARLES CHAPLIN TITLES
The Paper Hanger - 50ft
Charlie In The North - 10ft
The Plasterer - 25ft
All Stuck Up - 25ft
A Hard Lift - 25ft
The Kiss - 25ft
At The Dance - 25ft
Bedtime Story - 25ft
His Moustache - 25ft
Charlie The Troubador - 50ft
Charlie's Marriage - 10ft
Charlie's Whiskers - 10ft
In The Wrong - 10ft

********

Keystone Film and Projector Brochure (1930s?)
16mm films

CHARLIE CHAPLIN - 100 Ft.
1751 - The Stolen Umbrella
52101 - The Dentist
52102 - Filling a Prescription
52103 - Laughing Gas
5211 - I Am A King
5212 - The Window Washer
5213 - The Property Man
5214 - Bad Company
5215 - A Sleepless Night
5216 - The Reformer
5217 - The Hero

Charlie Chaplin - 50ft
1701 - Skip The Puddles
1703 - Ladies' Man
4211 - Capturing The Robber
4212 - The Mighty Hunter
4213 - The Caveman
4214 - Assistance Wanted
4315 - The Baggage Man
4216 - A Free Lunch
4217 - Homeless
4218 - Under Arrest

Charlie Chaplin 25ft
16389 - Free Samples at the Drug Store
16392 - Making Friends
3211 - Hoola-Hoola Dance
3212 - The Janitor
3213 - Back Stage
3214 - The Scrapper
3215 - The Hold Up
3216 - A Midnight Visitor
3217 - Love at First Sight
3218 - Fight for Love
3219 - First in Line
3220 - Short of Money

Charlie Chaplin - 10ft
16366 - The Rescue
16368 - Charlie's Dream
16369 - Saving Charlie
16372 - Having Fun

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:59 am
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Darren:

Thanks for sharing this valuable and worthwhile list! I'll have to
check the titles of the few Chaplin "toy" reels I have to see if I
have any different ones.

I wonder how many of the titles you've listed still exist in
somebody's collection? It would be great to match up the re-titles
with the original source title. Some are obvious, but others are hard
to tell without seeing the film. (I wonder if any of these could be
from HER FRIEND THE BANDIT?)

Brent Walker


Darren <dnemeth01 DeleteThis @sprynet.com> wrote in message news:<4067BBE7.2070004 DeleteThis @sprynet.com>...
> Hello, all,
>
> I finally finished what I had thought of doing for a long time now;
> Compiling the Chaplin films listed in my toy projector catalogs.
>
> One of them was very delicate and made of pulp paper, however, I got
> though the project without doing any real damage to it. Another split
> at the folds. :(
>
> Below my signature line is the list of Chaplin films including their
> various lengths and catalog numbers.
>
> The misspellings for "Mustache" and "Troubadour" are reproduced
> exactly as spelled in the Paramont catalog.
>
> The fold-out-page-type catalogs are thus; 2 which came with my
> "Hollywood" Montgomery Ward Co. 35mm projector and 1 Keystone 16mm toy
> projector catalog that I have had for years.
>
> It is hard to pin exact dates on any of them. The 35mm catalogs list
> films containing popular 1920s silent stars. One catalog notes in
> parentheses that projectors listed are "(1926 models)."
>
> Another piece of literature that came with the 35mm projector is dated
> 1927. Therefore I tentatively date all 35mm catalogs being from the
> 1927-28 era.
>
> The Keystone 16mm catalog contains stars from Tom Mix to Shirley
> Temple. Films subjects and stars range from the mid 1910s to the
> 1930s. I figure that since there are no 8mm products in the fold out
> catalog/flyer that it could predate that format's popularity and
> originate from the 1930s.
>
> Also, an interesting thing to note. Some of the "Hollywood Komedies"
> 35mm print titles are repeated in the Keystone list.
>
> Most of the "Hollywood" brand 35mm projectors illustrated are dead
> ringers for Keystone 35mms that I have seen. As proof, I own one
> Keystone 35mm projector and it is exact to a "Hollywood" brand model
> shown in the Montgomery Ward's catalog.
>
> Perhaps "The Hollywood" projector and "Hollywood Komedies" were
> Montgomery Ward's rebranding of the Keystone products? Unless a
> Keystone 35mm catalog from the same era pops up I will never know.
>
> Enjoy. :)
>
>
> Darren Nemeth
> (who someday is going to high-res scan all of his 1910s-1920 35mm
> pamphlets, text books and catalogs and present them on their own site
> for all to print out and enjoy)
>
> *******
>
> CHARLES CHAPLIN 16mm and 35mm Toy Projector Film Prints
> compiled by Darren Nemeth, 3-29-04.
>
> *******
> Montgomery Ward Co.
> Films, Slides and Accessories Catalog c. 1928 (all 35mm film)
>
> "Hollywood Komedies" films
> "...Do not confuse these films with discarded theatre films. They are
> Brand New and printed especially for Hollywood..."
>
> CHARLIE CHAPLIN 10ft lengths
> 248YO 305 - Up and Down Stairs
> 248YO 306 - Having Trouble with the Waiter
> 248YO 307 - Charlie As The Maid
> 248YO 308 - Behind The Scenes
> 248YO 309 - Kidnapped In An Auto
> 248YO 310 - The Waiter
> 248YO 311 - The Hero
> 248YO 312 - Saving His Mother
> 248YO 313 - Fun In A Bathing Suit
> 248YO 314 - Going Shopping
> 248YO 315 - In The Third Alarm
> 248YO 316 - And His Funny Feet
> 248YO 317 - The Funny Cook
> 248YO 318 - Playing The Hose
> 248YO 319 - The Office Boy
> 248YO 320 - Fighting The Stage Manager
> 248YO 321 - In Dutch Again
> 248YO 322 - The New Job
> 248YO 323 - At The Wedding Reception
> 248YO 324 - Charlie's Sweetheart
> 248YO 325 - A Fight In The Restaurant
> 248YO 326 - At The Fire
> 248YO 327 - The Roughneck
> 248YO 328 - The Bundle Boy
> 248YO 329 - Making Pies
> 248YO 330 - In The Trenches
> 248YO 334 - Assistance Wanted
> 248YO 336 - The Kid
>
> CHARLIE CHAPLIN 25ft lengths
> 248YO 362 - Caught With The Goods
> 248YO 363 - Working The Trap Doors
> 248YO 364 - On The Fire Engine
> 248YO 365 - Fun In The Lunch Room
> 248YO 366 - The Rescue
> 248YO 367 - Kicked Out
> 248YO 368 - Charlie's Dream
> 248YO 369 - Saving Charlie
> 248YO 371 - The Immigrant
> 248YO 372 - The Pickpocket
>
> CHARLIE CHAPLIN 50ft lengths
> 248YO 379 - Getting His Goat
> 248YO 380 - Thirsty Charlie
> 248YO 381 - The Life Saver
> 248YO 382 - Pinched
>
> CHARLIE CHAPLIN 100ft lengths
> 248YO 389 - Free Samples At The Drug Store
> 248YO 390 - The Fireman
> 248YO 391 - Getting A Job
> 248YO 392 - The Bell Boy
> 248YO 393 - Flirting With The Nurse
>
> ********
>
> Paramount Manufacturing Company, Boston, Mass
> 35mm Projector and film catalog No. 60, (c. 1927 - 28?)
>
> CHARLES CHAPLIN TITLES
> The Paper Hanger - 50ft
> Charlie In The North - 10ft
> The Plasterer - 25ft
> All Stuck Up - 25ft
> A Hard Lift - 25ft
> The Kiss - 25ft
> At The Dance - 25ft
> Bedtime Story - 25ft
> His Moustache - 25ft
> Charlie The Troubador - 50ft
> Charlie's Marriage - 10ft
> Charlie's Whiskers - 10ft
> In The Wrong - 10ft
>
> ********
>
> Keystone Film and Projector Brochure (1930s?)
> 16mm films
>
> CHARLIE CHAPLIN - 100 Ft.
> 1751 - The Stolen Umbrella
> 52101 - The Dentist
> 52102 - Filling a Prescription
> 52103 - Laughing Gas
> 5211 - I Am A King
> 5212 - The Window Washer
> 5213 - The Property Man
> 5214 - Bad Company
> 5215 - A Sleepless Night
> 5216 - The Reformer
> 5217 - The Hero
>
> Charlie Chaplin - 50ft
> 1701 - Skip The Puddles
> 1703 - Ladies' Man
> 4211 - Capturing The Robber
> 4212 - The Mighty Hunter
> 4213 - The Caveman
> 4214 - Assistance Wanted
> 4315 - The Baggage Man
> 4216 - A Free Lunch
> 4217 - Homeless
> 4218 - Under Arrest
>
> Charlie Chaplin 25ft
> 16389 - Free Samples at the Drug Store
> 16392 - Making Friends
> 3211 - Hoola-Hoola Dance
> 3212 - The Janitor
> 3213 - Back Stage
> 3214 - The Scrapper
> 3215 - The Hold Up
> 3216 - A Midnight Visitor
> 3217 - Love at First Sight
> 3218 - Fight for Love
> 3219 - First in Line
> 3220 - Short of Money
>
> Charlie Chaplin - 10ft
> 16366 - The Rescue
> 16368 - Charlie's Dream
> 16369 - Saving Charlie
> 16372 - Having Fun

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:14 pm
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>From: Darren dnemeth01.DeleteThis@sprynet.com
wrote:

>CHARLIE CHAPLIN - 100 Ft.
>52101 - The Dentist
>52102 - Filling a Prescription
>52103 - Laughing Gas

These all sound like they were from LAUGHING GAS.

I wonder if any of the toy projector films had Billy West or other Chaplin
imitators.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:04 pm
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Darren wrote...

> Keystone Film and Projector Brochure (1930s?)

> Charlie Chaplin - 50ft
> 1701 - Skip The Puddles
> 1703 - Ladies' Man
> 4211 - Capturing The Robber
> 4212 - The Mighty Hunter
> 4213 - The Caveman
> 4214 - Assistance Wanted
> 4315 - The Baggage Man


Years ago, I found an encyclopedia-style reference book full of
film credits. I looked up the Chaplin filmography, and was intrigued
to see Keystone's THE BAGGAGE SMASHER (September 3, 1914) listed in it
as a Chaplin title.

Very likely it was just a mistake, but I've often wondered how
this particular film, out of the dozens of non-Chaplin Keystones
released that year, came to be identified-- by anybody-- as a Chaplin
film. The Kalton Lahue book has no information about it one way or the
other. Could it be that it contains a long-forgotten Chaplin cameo
appearance? Could "The Baggage Man" be from THE BAGGAGE SMASHER?




Chris Snowden
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:26 pm
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One toy film compnay to add to the list is Exclusive Movies.

16 MM Film Charlie Chaplin Item number: 3395694197

This is a 50ft fim titled "Busy Charlie."

Ths box artwork makes me think it originates from the 1930s or previous.


Darren
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Darren wrote:
> One toy film compnay to add to the list is Exclusive Movies.
>
> 16 MM Film Charlie Chaplin Item number: 3395694197
>
> This is a 50ft fim titled "Busy Charlie."
>
> Ths box artwork makes me think it originates from the 1930s or previous.
>
>
> Darren
>

Some Pathescope 9.5mm are on eBay, too.

One titled "Rolling Around" looks to be excerpted from "The Rink."
There are fram scans in the auction.

--


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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:23 am
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unkvid2.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Christopher Snowden) wrote in message news:<2338ad06.0403292004.27bec4b5.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
> Darren wrote...
>
> > Keystone Film and Projector Brochure (1930s?)
>
> > Charlie Chaplin - 50ft
> > 1701 - Skip The Puddles
> > 1703 - Ladies' Man
> > 4211 - Capturing The Robber
> > 4212 - The Mighty Hunter
> > 4213 - The Caveman
> > 4214 - Assistance Wanted
> > 4315 - The Baggage Man
>
>
> Years ago, I found an encyclopedia-style reference book full of
> film credits. I looked up the Chaplin filmography, and was intrigued
> to see Keystone's THE BAGGAGE SMASHER (September 3, 1914) listed in it
> as a Chaplin title.
>
> Very likely it was just a mistake, but I've often wondered how
> this particular film, out of the dozens of non-Chaplin Keystones
> released that year, came to be identified-- by anybody-- as a Chaplin
> film. The Kalton Lahue book has no information about it one way or the
> other. Could it be that it contains a long-forgotten Chaplin cameo
> appearance? Could "The Baggage Man" be from THE BAGGAGE SMASHER?
>
>
>
>
> Chris Snowden


Chris, I'd love to know more about THE BAGGAGE SMASHER too, because
it's one of the 1914 Keystones for which I've found absolutely no
credits or no stills (and yes, I've completely discounted the
"American Film Index" credits for all Keystone films as spurious, it
is just as unlikely as likely that Chester Conklin, Mack Swain and
Cecile Arnold--credited in AFI--are in it).

The film had the working title THE TRUNK FLIRTS, and the one-sentence
synopsis from my filmography (boiled down from a more lengthy one in
Bioscope) is "Two men attempt to flirt with a young wife by entering
her room via a trunk, without her husband's knowledge."

It's one of two films released mid-week between Chaplin's HIS NEW
PROFESSION and THE ROUNDERS (the other film is an Arbuckle-starrer A
BRAND NEW HERO), so though it's doubtful Chaplin would have starred in
it as one of the two "trunk flirts", he could indeed have made a cameo
(though there is no precedent yet found for Chaplin making a cameo in
a Keystone--that one weird still of Chaplin and Mabel at the
switchboard notwithstanding).

Brent Walker
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:23 am
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In article <2338ad06.0403292004.27bec4b5 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
Christopher Snowden <unkvid2 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> Darren wrote...
>
> > Keystone Film and Projector Brochure (1930s?)
>
> > Charlie Chaplin - 50ft
> > 1701 - Skip The Puddles
> > 1703 - Ladies' Man
> > 4211 - Capturing The Robber
> > 4212 - The Mighty Hunter
> > 4213 - The Caveman
> > 4214 - Assistance Wanted
> > 4315 - The Baggage Man
>
>
> Years ago, I found an encyclopedia-style reference book full of
> film credits. I looked up the Chaplin filmography, and was intrigued
> to see Keystone's THE BAGGAGE SMASHER (September 3, 1914) listed in it
> as a Chaplin title.
>
> Very likely it was just a mistake, but I've often wondered how
> this particular film, out of the dozens of non-Chaplin Keystones
> released that year, came to be identified-- by anybody-- as a Chaplin
> film. The Kalton Lahue book has no information about it one way or the
> other. Could it be that it contains a long-forgotten Chaplin cameo
> appearance? Could "The Baggage Man" be from THE BAGGAGE SMASHER?
>
> Chris Snowden

I think it's more likely "The Baggage Man" is the scene of Charlie
carrying all of the trunks in "The Property Man."

Fantastic work, Darren. What I'd like to see now is the addition of the
correct information - perhaps something like:

1701 - Skip The Puddles (Between Showers)

Perhaps with an asterisk next to it if it's definitively identified
(someone has actually seen it), or not (if it's simply presumptive, as
above). I'll go through my (small) list later and see what I can add -
but I don't own many of these things.

Doug
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On 30 Mar 2004 09:23:07 -0800, hauber108 DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Brent Walker) wrote:

>unkvid2@yahoo.com (Christopher Snowden) wrote in message news:<2338ad06.0403292004.27bec4b5 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...
>> Darren wrote...
>>
>> > Keystone Film and Projector Brochure (1930s?)
>>
>> > Charlie Chaplin - 50ft
>> > 1701 - Skip The Puddles
>> > 1703 - Ladies' Man
>> > 4211 - Capturing The Robber
>> > 4212 - The Mighty Hunter
>> > 4213 - The Caveman
>> > 4214 - Assistance Wanted
>> > 4315 - The Baggage Man
>>
>>
>> Years ago, I found an encyclopedia-style reference book full of
>> film credits. I looked up the Chaplin filmography, and was intrigued
>> to see Keystone's THE BAGGAGE SMASHER (September 3, 1914) listed in it
>> as a Chaplin title.
>>
>> Very likely it was just a mistake, but I've often wondered how
>> this particular film, out of the dozens of non-Chaplin Keystones
>> released that year, came to be identified-- by anybody-- as a Chaplin
>> film. The Kalton Lahue book has no information about it one way or the
>> other. Could it be that it contains a long-forgotten Chaplin cameo
>> appearance? Could "The Baggage Man" be from THE BAGGAGE SMASHER?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Snowden
>
>
>Chris, I'd love to know more about THE BAGGAGE SMASHER too, because
>it's one of the 1914 Keystones for which I've found absolutely no
>credits or no stills (and yes, I've completely discounted the
>"American Film Index" credits for all Keystone films as spurious, it
>is just as unlikely as likely that Chester Conklin, Mack Swain and
>Cecile Arnold--credited in AFI--are in it).
>
>The film had the working title THE TRUNK FLIRTS, and the one-sentence
>synopsis from my filmography (boiled down from a more lengthy one in
>Bioscope) is "Two men attempt to flirt with a young wife by entering
>her room via a trunk, without her husband's knowledge."
>
>It's one of two films released mid-week between Chaplin's HIS NEW
>PROFESSION and THE ROUNDERS (the other film is an Arbuckle-starrer A
>BRAND NEW HERO), so though it's doubtful Chaplin would have starred in
>it as one of the two "trunk flirts", he could indeed have made a cameo
>(though there is no precedent yet found for Chaplin making a cameo in
>a Keystone--that one weird still of Chaplin and Mabel at the
>switchboard notwithstanding).
>
>Brent Walker

Hooman Mehran once sent me a copy of a Chaplin filmography compiled in the 40's
(the last film listed is TGD) by George Geltzer (so this is pre Huff) and he
lists The Baggage Smasher and another film - The Dog Catcher - (which he cites
as a misleading title) as Chaplin films. He doesn't give sources for his info
other than thanking someone at MOMA for "some information".

His focus is to point out the many misleading titles of reissued Keystone
Chaplins. He even has a little quiz in his article to put "original" titles to
the "misleading' ones.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:56 pm
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Brent Walker wrote...

>Christopher Snowden wrote...
> > Could it be that it contains a long-forgotten Chaplin cameo
> > appearance? Could "The Baggage Man" be from THE BAGGAGE SMASHER?

> It's one of two films released mid-week between Chaplin's HIS NEW
> PROFESSION and THE ROUNDERS (the other film is an Arbuckle-starrer A
> BRAND NEW HERO), so though it's doubtful Chaplin would have starred in
> it as one of the two "trunk flirts", he could indeed have made a cameo
> (though there is no precedent yet found for Chaplin making a cameo in
> a Keystone--that one weird still of Chaplin and Mabel at the
> switchboard notwithstanding).


Agreed, the odds are against it being a Chaplin appearance. But
he had just done a cameo (more or less) in Arbuckle's THE KNOCKOUT two
or three months previously. And, after THE BAGGAGE SMASHER was
released in early September, only two Chaplin releases appeared over
the next month; August had seen four Chaplin one-reelers plus a
split-reel.

Anyway, the film that REALLY intrigues me is GIDDY, GAY AND
TICKLISH. How would you rate the chances of this being a film that
Charlie had a hand in?





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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:58 am
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unkvid2.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Christopher Snowden) wrote in message news:<2338ad06.0403302356.3ef5d20.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
> Brent Walker wrote...
>
> >Christopher Snowden wrote...
> > > Could it be that it contains a long-forgotten Chaplin cameo
> > > appearance? Could "The Baggage Man" be from THE BAGGAGE SMASHER?
>
> > It's one of two films released mid-week between Chaplin's HIS NEW
> > PROFESSION and THE ROUNDERS (the other film is an Arbuckle-starrer A
> > BRAND NEW HERO), so though it's doubtful Chaplin would have starred in
> > it as one of the two "trunk flirts", he could indeed have made a cameo
> > (though there is no precedent yet found for Chaplin making a cameo in
> > a Keystone--that one weird still of Chaplin and Mabel at the
> > switchboard notwithstanding).
>
>
> Agreed, the odds are against it being a Chaplin appearance. But
> he had just done a cameo (more or less) in Arbuckle's THE KNOCKOUT two
> or three months previously. And, after THE BAGGAGE SMASHER was
> released in early September, only two Chaplin releases appeared over
> the next month; August had seen four Chaplin one-reelers plus a
> split-reel.
>
> Anyway, the film that REALLY intrigues me is GIDDY, GAY AND
> TICKLISH. How would you rate the chances of this being a film that
> Charlie had a hand in?
>
>
>
>
>
> Chris Snowden




I tried to see GIDDY GAY AND TICKLISH last year at LOC and it was
temporarily unavailable, but a few authorities have indeed seen it
(Rob Farr?) and have confirmed that Charlie is NOT in it.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:07 am
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Here's an amended list of just the 16mm toy films, filled out with what
few titles I have. Title in parenthesis are best guess. Titles in
parenthesis with asterisks are confirmed. P.S. - Darren, wow... they
actually issued 10 ft. lengths of 35mm? What would that last? About 12
seconds? Sheesh... hardly worth threading the thing! :-)

-------

Empire Safety Film Co. (1920s) - 16mm
Charlie The Villain (The Champion*)

Hollywood Film Enterprises ­ 16mm (50 ft.)
346A ­ Charlie the Nurse Maid (His Trysting Place*)
362A ­ (title missing) (His Prehistoric Past*)
365A ­ Charlie and Tilliešs Flirtation (Tilliešs Punctured Romance*)

Keystone Film and Projector Brochure (1930s?) - 16mm films
100 Ft.
1751 - The Stolen Umbrella (Between Showers)
52101 - The Dentist (Laughing Gas)
52102 - Filling a Prescription (Laughing Gas*)
52103 - Laughing Gas (Laughing Gas)
5211 - I Am A King
5212 - The Window Washer (The New Janitor)
5213 - The Property Man (The Property Man)
5214 - Bad Company
5215 - A Sleepless Night (Police*)
5216 - The Reformer
5217 - The Hero

50ft
1701 - Skip The Puddles (Between Showers)
1703 - Ladies' Man
4211 - Capturing The Robber
4212 - The Mighty Hunter (His Prehistoric Past)
4213 - The Caveman (His Prehistoric Past)
4214 - Assistance Wanted
4315 - The Baggage Man
4216 - A Free Lunch
4217 - Homeless
4218 - Under Arrest
???? ­ In The Theatre (His Favorite Pasttime*)

25ft
16389 - Free Samples at the Drug Store
16392 - Making Friends
3211 - Hoola-Hoola Dance (His Prehistoric Past)
3212 - The Janitor (The New Janitor)
3213 - Back Stage (The Property Man)
3214 - The Scrapper
3215 - The Hold Up (The New Janitor)
3216 - A Midnight Visitor
3217 - Love at First Sight
3218 - Fight for Love
3219 - First in Line
3220 - Short of Money

10ft
16366 - The Rescue
16368 - Charlie's Dream
16369 - Saving Charlie
16372 - Having Fun

Kodak Cinegraph (1920šs)
4024 ­ Easy Street

Novelty Film Co.
2476 ­ Balled Up (Caught In The Rain*)
2576 ­ All Dressed Up (Tilliešs Punctured Romance*)

Pathegram
Some Nerve (Gentlemen of Nerve*)

Unknown (Dates unknown)
Busy Charlie (Behind The Screen*)
113 ­ Bumping Along (Laughing Gas, The Star Boarder, His New
Profession*)
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:28 pm
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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:07:55 -0500, Doug Sulpy <dsulpy.RemoveThis@ptd.net> wrote:

>Here's an amended list of just the 16mm toy films, filled out with what
>few titles I have. Title in parenthesis are best guess. Titles in
>parenthesis with asterisks are confirmed. P.S. - Darren, wow... they
>actually issued 10 ft. lengths of 35mm? What would that last? About 12
>seconds? Sheesh... hardly worth threading the thing! :-)
>
>-------
>
>Empire Safety Film Co. (1920s) - 16mm
>Charlie The Villain (The Champion*)
>
>Hollywood Film Enterprises ­ 16mm (50 ft.)
>346A ­ Charlie the Nurse Maid (His Trysting Place*)
>362A ­ (title missing) (His Prehistoric Past*)
>365A ­ Charlie and Tilliešs Flirtation (Tilliešs Punctured Romance*)
>
>Keystone Film and Projector Brochure (1930s?) - 16mm films
>100 Ft.
>1751 - The Stolen Umbrella (Between Showers)
>52101 - The Dentist (Laughing Gas)
>52102 - Filling a Prescription (Laughing Gas*)
>52103 - Laughing Gas (Laughing Gas)
>5211 - I Am A King
>5212 - The Window Washer (The New Janitor)
>5213 - The Property Man (The Property Man)
>5214 - Bad Company
>5215 - A Sleepless Night (Police*)
>5216 - The Reformer
>5217 - The Hero
>
>50ft
>1701 - Skip The Puddles (Between Showers)
>1703 - Ladies' Man
>4211 - Capturing The Robber
>4212 - The Mighty Hunter (His Prehistoric Past)
>4213 - The Caveman (His Prehistoric Past)
>4214 - Assistance Wanted
>4315 - The Baggage Man
>4216 - A Free Lunch
>4217 - Homeless
>4218 - Under Arrest
>???? ­ In The Theatre (His Favorite Pasttime*)
>
>25ft
>16389 - Free Samples at the Drug Store
>16392 - Making Friends
>3211 - Hoola-Hoola Dance (His Prehistoric Past)
>3212 - The Janitor (The New Janitor)
>3213 - Back Stage (The Property Man)
>3214 - The Scrapper
>3215 - The Hold Up (The New Janitor)
>3216 - A Midnight Visitor
>3217 - Love at First Sight
>3218 - Fight for Love
>3219 - First in Line
>3220 - Short of Money
>
>10ft
>16366 - The Rescue
>16368 - Charlie's Dream
>16369 - Saving Charlie
>16372 - Having Fun
>
>Kodak Cinegraph (1920šs)
>4024 ­ Easy Street
>
>Novelty Film Co.
>2476 ­ Balled Up (Caught In The Rain*)
>2576 ­ All Dressed Up (Tilliešs Punctured Romance*)
>
>Pathegram
>Some Nerve (Gentlemen of Nerve*)
>
>Unknown (Dates unknown)
>Busy Charlie (Behind The Screen*)
>113 ­ Bumping Along (Laughing Gas, The Star Boarder, His New
>Profession*)

I have an 8mm 50 ft. version of Balled Up that is an exerpt from Getting
Acquainted.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:24 pm
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In article <699p60da4hhio0nmf2gumjc6vc1avt5mjv DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Phil P wrote:

> I have an 8mm 50 ft. version of Balled Up that is an exerpt from Getting
> Acquainted.

Oh, no. My copy of "Balled Up" is from "Caught In The Rain"!! Now we
have to worry about *different* clips being issued under the same
title...???!!!
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