anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule?

I wish my Sound Devices 442 had a 3.2ms delay switch on each input.
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

Just keep your boom mike exactly 3.2 feet away.
Peter


In article <x-idnRBli_XUs3rcRVn-vw RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
"Jay Hartigan" <jhartigantakeout RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> I wish my Sound Devices 442 had a 3.2ms delay switch on each input.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

But that assumes the boom is pointing at the same person wiring the wireless
w/delay.

gt


"Peter" <pkurland RemoveThis @REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Just keep your boom mike exactly 3.2 feet away.
> Peter
>
>
> In article <x-idnRBli_XUs3rcRVn-vw RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
> "Jay Hartigan" <jhartigantakeout RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I wish my Sound Devices 442 had a 3.2ms delay switch on each input.
> >
> >
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

> Just keep your boom mike exactly 3.2 feet away.
> Peter


Wouldn't it be nice if it were just that simple.

Jay
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

They really should work this issue out. Especially considering the
(what i assume to be a market test) price increase on 211's. I myself
am in the market for some new toys. I love the features on the 411's,
but that damn delay kills me. I just dont know that they are quite
there yet.
....Or how's this one... a firmware update on the 211's which adds some
of the conveniences off the 411's?
My point is, I loved the 411's until i was stuck with a mixed bag
(analog and digital recievers). or even worse, one of each as cam hops.
On a short turn-around. not very articulate today. wyatt.
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

The Venue receiver puts in additional delay for analog transmitters so
that the total 200 transmitter and 400 transmitter delays are the
same. This doesn't help bag systems, of course.

We are working on a inline negative 3.2 ms delay module to remove the
delay from a 400 system. It should be ready on April 1. Some wag
suggested that we hook a bunch of them in series and move the release
date up a month or so but that, of course is totally ridiculous.

Larry F
Lectro

p.s. Overall we actually had a small price decrease, since the price
increase on the 200 system was more than matched by the price decrease
on the 400 system. As users shift from one system (200) to the other
(400), our cost of manufacturing changes also.

On 14 Jan 2005 10:38:32 -0800, "wyatt" <wyatt RemoveThis @despammed.com> wrote:

>They really should work this issue out. Especially considering the
>(what i assume to be a market test) price increase on 211's. I myself
>am in the market for some new toys. I love the features on the 411's,
>but that damn delay kills me. I just dont know that they are quite
>there yet.
>...Or how's this one... a firmware update on the 211's which adds some
>of the conveniences off the 411's?
>My point is, I loved the 411's until i was stuck with a mixed bag
>(analog and digital recievers). or even worse, one of each as cam hops.
>On a short turn-around. not very articulate today. wyatt.
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

> > We are working on a inline negative 3.2 ms delay module to remove
the
> > delay from a 400 system. It should be ready on April 1. Some wag
> > suggested that we hook a bunch of them in series and move the
release
> > date up a month or so but that, of course is totally ridiculous.
>
> So if you put this module in an analog reciever it would spit out
audio 3.2ms
> before it was spoken? Interestin...
>
> John

Hey, what the hell's going on? I got this thread already 3.2 days ago
.. . .

-Jay "hates delays" Farrington
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

Larry Fisher wrote:

> The Venue receiver puts in additional delay for analog transmitters so
> that the total 200 transmitter and 400 transmitter delays are the
> same. This doesn't help bag systems, of course.
>
> We are working on a inline negative 3.2 ms delay module to remove the
> delay from a 400 system. It should be ready on April 1. Some wag
> suggested that we hook a bunch of them in series and move the release
> date up a month or so but that, of course is totally ridiculous.

So if you put this module in an analog reciever it would spit out audio 3.2ms
before it was spoken? Interestin...

John
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

"wiring" was meant to be "wearing"

gt

"Glen Trew" <notthisone DeleteThis @either.com> wrote in message
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> But that assumes the boom is pointing at the same person wiring the
wireless
> w/delay.
>
> gt
>
>
> "Peter" <pkurland DeleteThis @REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:pkurland-4DEDE6.21183413012005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > Just keep your boom mike exactly 3.2 feet away.
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > In article <x-idnRBli_XUs3rcRVn-vw DeleteThis @comcast.com>,
> > "Jay Hartigan" <jhartigantakeout DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I wish my Sound Devices 442 had a 3.2ms delay switch on each input.
> > >
> > >
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

in article 90cgu05e5ercvgas32rqn7rlaj36681vdq RemoveThis @4ax.com, Larry Fisher at
larryf RemoveThis @despammed.com wrote on 1/14/05 3:04 PM:


> We are working on a inline negative 3.2 ms delay module to remove the
> delay from a 400 system. It should be ready on April 1. Some wag
> suggested that we hook a bunch of them in series and move the release
> date up a month or so but that, of course is totally ridiculous.
>

Very funny. It's all fun and games until a take sounds like Darth Vader.

I am prepping a show with 13 or 14 RF mics from a rental company with a mix
of 411's and 211's with lavs and a RF hand held. The 24 input Midas mixer
will not have delays.

I have asked Lectro for a mic power supply or preamp with this feature. Any
delay will have to pass phantom anyway. If Lectro doesn't step up, how about
Remote Audio, SD, or PSC?


Now to vent. Delays in the video world. The following is what video
facilities have to put up with. This from an actual email to editors.


Here are the findings on audio delay through the HD Production Equipment.

From VC-13 to ANY ANALOG deck, the audio is delayed by 1 frame in reference
to the video. That means, composite video and analog audio are out of sync
by 1 frame. Video leading audio.

All VIDEO through the HD switcher that is downconverted to analog is delayed
by 4 frames. The settings on the Rane audio delays therefore should remain
at 4 frames.

There is no delay on the switcher downconverted DIGITAL signal, it's already
embedded at that point, so it stays in sync.

Video through the upconverter is delayed by 2 frames. The Rane delay unit
for the upconverter is in the audio room, however the audio operator patches
it to his monitors to eliminate intercom delay in the audio control room. We
should install one in the on-line room to handle upconverting needs.

Video through the DVE is also delayed by 1 frame.
So, playing back an SP or Digi beta tape in VC-13 then blown up through the
DVE and recorded to any digital deck will need a 1 frame audio delay to stay
in sync.

In a nutshell, with the current Rane setting of 4 frames, all audio paths
are in sync.
The only paths to watch out for are these.

From VC-13 to any composite input (Audio delayed 1 frame)
Video through DVE delayed by 1 frame.
Video through the upconverter, delayed by 2 frames.

Please let me know if you notice any lipsync problems from this point on.

Darrell
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

Good reason to shoot on film, right?

D.


"Darrell Henke" <darrellhenkenospam.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BE0DF857.2C60B%darrellhenkenospam@comcast.net...
> in article 90cgu05e5ercvgas32rqn7rlaj36681vdq.RemoveThis@4ax.com, Larry Fisher at
> larryf.RemoveThis@despammed.com wrote on 1/14/05 3:04 PM:
>
>
>> We are working on a inline negative 3.2 ms delay module to remove the
>> delay from a 400 system. It should be ready on April 1. Some wag
>> suggested that we hook a bunch of them in series and move the release
>> date up a month or so but that, of course is totally ridiculous.
>>
>
> Very funny. It's all fun and games until a take sounds like Darth Vader.
>
> I am prepping a show with 13 or 14 RF mics from a rental company with a
> mix
> of 411's and 211's with lavs and a RF hand held. The 24 input Midas mixer
> will not have delays.
>
> I have asked Lectro for a mic power supply or preamp with this feature.
> Any
> delay will have to pass phantom anyway. If Lectro doesn't step up, how
> about
> Remote Audio, SD, or PSC?
>
>
> Now to vent. Delays in the video world. The following is what video
> facilities have to put up with. This from an actual email to editors.
>
>
> Here are the findings on audio delay through the HD Production Equipment.
>
> From VC-13 to ANY ANALOG deck, the audio is delayed by 1 frame in
> reference
> to the video. That means, composite video and analog audio are out of sync
> by 1 frame. Video leading audio.
>
> All VIDEO through the HD switcher that is downconverted to analog is
> delayed
> by 4 frames. The settings on the Rane audio delays therefore should remain
> at 4 frames.
>
> There is no delay on the switcher downconverted DIGITAL signal, it's
> already
> embedded at that point, so it stays in sync.
>
> Video through the upconverter is delayed by 2 frames. The Rane delay unit
> for the upconverter is in the audio room, however the audio operator
> patches
> it to his monitors to eliminate intercom delay in the audio control room.
> We
> should install one in the on-line room to handle upconverting needs.
>
> Video through the DVE is also delayed by 1 frame.
> So, playing back an SP or Digi beta tape in VC-13 then blown up through
> the
> DVE and recorded to any digital deck will need a 1 frame audio delay to
> stay
> in sync.
>
> In a nutshell, with the current Rane setting of 4 frames, all audio paths
> are in sync.
> The only paths to watch out for are these.
>
> From VC-13 to any composite input (Audio delayed 1 frame)
> Video through DVE delayed by 1 frame.
> Video through the upconverter, delayed by 2 frames.
>
> Please let me know if you notice any lipsync problems from this point on.
>
> Darrell
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

Jay Farrington San Francisco wrote:

>>>We are working on a inline negative 3.2 ms delay module to remove
>
> the
>
>>>delay from a 400 system. It should be ready on April 1. Some wag
>>>suggested that we hook a bunch of them in series and move the
>
> release
>
>>>date up a month or so but that, of course is totally ridiculous.
>>
>>So if you put this module in an analog reciever it would spit out
>
> audio 3.2ms
>
>>before it was spoken? Interestin...
>>
>>John
>
>
> Hey, what the hell's going on? I got this thread already 3.2 days ago
> . . .
>
> -Jay "hates delays" Farrington
>
Responses like yours are what prompted me to write the question!
John
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule? 

If the delay was increased just a little bit, it would more closely match
the distance of most boom work. Just a little more delay, and you'll have it
right.

What? You guys like the comb filtering (phasing) when mixing analog wireless
and boom? That's probably the only quality issue even Producers can actually
notice enough to complain about (allows them to feel like part of the crew).
Lavs with 3ms delay usually improve the problem.

It is possible that latency can be a problem, but it's just as often that it
can improve an age old problem.

gt



"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <jg.RemoveThis@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
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> Jay Farrington San Francisco wrote:
>
> >>>We are working on a inline negative 3.2 ms delay module to remove
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>delay from a 400 system. It should be ready on April 1. Some wag
> >>>suggested that we hook a bunch of them in series and move the
> >
> > release
> >
> >>>date up a month or so but that, of course is totally ridiculous.
> >>
> >>So if you put this module in an analog reciever it would spit out
> >
> > audio 3.2ms
> >
> >>before it was spoken? Interestin...
> >>
> >>John
> >
> >
> > Hey, what the hell's going on? I got this thread already 3.2 days ago
> > . . .
> >
> > -Jay "hates delays" Farrington
> >
> Responses like yours are what prompted me to write the question!
> John
 >> Stay informed about: anyone make a 3.2ms delay capsule?