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Some Spoilers....





I will agree that there are two factions growing in this group. I don't
think you give those who liked the film enough credit. In fact, it was a low
blow. One thing I try not to do is put down the opinions of others. It just
isn't right. I'll give my opinion, but that's it. But, people are different
and deal with differences uniquly...anyhow...

All I can do is speak for myself on this topic. For me, the film is a
spiritual journey clothed in a Sci Fi movie. It exceeded my expectations due
to the fact that I was expecting a Sci Fi movie and got a movie with
Christian allogory and strong life lessons. The first one had obvious
Christian overrtones, this one was a bit more subtle (except when the cross
of light that came out of Neo). I read that the film also contained many
hints at Hindu philosophy. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about
Hinduism. But, I'd like to learn. So if anyone has a link to how Revolutions
limks to Hinduism, I'd appreciate it.

For me, it was a masterpiece of art and soul combined with Sci Fi. I'll
admit that if I stripped out the special meaning the film had for me, I can
understand how many didn't like it. But, I cannot seperate the spirituality
from the film.

I was moved while some where bored. IMHO, it is silly arguing over why it
was or wasn't a good film. That would be like the two people arguing over
which food is better, pizza or tacos...it all comes down to personal taste.
"Where there is taste, there shall be no dispute."

I just wish the Matrix bashing would move on to something more constructive
such as why certain things happened. Your theories. Christian symbolism.
Hindu and other philosophies, etc...

Just my thoughts...


"G P Thibault" <gpthibault.RemoveThis@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:Stzrb.102103$PD3.5412766@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> I think there has been a huge change in this newsgroup since the final
> movie. I've been reading this group daily for a long long time and
suddenly
> the group of regulars has broken into 2 camps.
> One group will grab a straws and create their own background or
between
> the lines story to explain anything in the movie that isn't there. This
> group could prove that Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver was really Darth Vader
> having a dream.
> The second group has been defending these movies and how smart they
> where for years and is really disappointed that the brothers just threw
> together an action movie and left so many things unexplained after a first
> brilliant movie and a second movie that 90% of the people left not
> understanding a bit of except the action.
> Personally I think we should do what I saw happen in Star Wars groups
> years ago, except the fact that million and millions of dollars and every
> resource the brothers had went into making this movie, (many a sleepless
> night I'm sure) and if they didn't put it on the screen for us to see we
> shouldn't be talking about it, cause if they wanted it talked about they
had
> the time and money to put it up on the screen.
>
> GP Thibault
> www.mp3.com/littlebastard
> KILL YOUR TELEVISION, BEFORE IT KILLS YOU!
>
>
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:14:18 GMT, "Manta" <jefftopper.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Some Spoilers....
>
>
>
>
>
>I will agree that there are two factions growing in this group. I don't
>think you give those who liked the film enough credit. In fact, it was a low
>blow. One thing I try not to do is put down the opinions of others. It just
>isn't right. I'll give my opinion, but that's it. But, people are different
>and deal with differences uniquly...anyhow...

I think you underestimate the qualities of the group, we are far more
creative than that. Certainly there should be tolerance towards
another's opinion, and the realization that the Matrix is full of
brilliant allegory, but remains a human product, and as all human
things, it is fallible.

Still, senseless attacks on the movie should be dealt with, if the
post is worthy of it. Unfortunately, Revolution bashing seems to be
the vogue and all the 'Wellenreiters' have jumped on this soap box to
expound their particular, not very coherent, views of the movie.
Fact is, some people just like to moan, and will never be content.

You give them a million dollars, and they'll moan because you didn't
give them two millions.

>All I can do is speak for myself on this topic. For me, the film is a
>spiritual journey clothed in a Sci Fi movie. It exceeded my expectations due
>to the fact that I was expecting a Sci Fi movie and got a movie with
>Christian allogory and strong life lessons. The first one had obvious
>Christian overrtones, this one was a bit more subtle (except when the cross
>of light that came out of Neo). I read that the film also contained many
>hints at Hindu philosophy. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about
>Hinduism. But, I'd like to learn. So if anyone has a link to how Revolutions
>limks to Hinduism, I'd appreciate it.


Do a Google search for three articles posted by Melloccino that
explained brilliantly that connection. Use the search words:
Melloccino, Hindu symbolicism, Chandra. It will prove very helpful

>For me, it was a masterpiece of art and soul combined with Sci Fi. I'll
>admit that if I stripped out the special meaning the film had for me, I can
>understand how many didn't like it. But, I cannot seperate the spirituality
>from the film.

That's the beauty of it, that it can be interpreted in so many levels.
An action film, science fiction, religious allegory. It all depends on
the viewpoint.

Certainly all opinions are valid and a matter of personal taste and
backgrounds, but if someone is full of vitriol against a film, why
post in a newsgroup dedicated to that picture?

>I was moved while some where bored. IMHO, it is silly arguing over why it
>was or wasn't a good film. That would be like the two people arguing over
>which food is better, pizza or tacos...it all comes down to personal taste.
>"Where there is taste, there shall be no dispute."
>
>I just wish the Matrix bashing would move on to something more constructive
>such as why certain things happened. Your theories. Christian symbolism.
>Hindu and other philosophies, etc...


I concur with you, constructive criticism is one think, bashing is
another, then again, bashing a movie you haven't even seen, like some
people do, is senseless.
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:14:18 GMT, "Manta" <jefftopper.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about
>Hinduism. But, I'd like to learn. So if anyone has a link to how Revolutions
>limks to Hinduism, I'd appreciate it.

Here's a reprint of a contribution posted by Melloccino on 27/09/03,
you can look up the other two:

>----------------------
>RÂMA KANDRA
>----------------------
>
>As we know, Râma Kandra, cast as Bernard White, is included in castings for
>both Reloaded and in Revolutions. If the man in the restaurant IS the actor
>Bernard White (not Art Malik, but I can't find any photos of Mr White,
>although he's played a Pakistani in J.A.G. before, so I do assume, for good
>reason, that it's him), the implications for the trilogy are MASSIVE!
>
>Who is Râma Kandra (also Chandra)?
>-----------------------------
>Lord Râma is an important incarnation of Vishnu. As some of you may
>understand, Hinduism is a polytheistic (many Gods) religion, but Vishnu is
>often regarded very, very highly.
>
>QUOTE: " For the salvation of the good, the destruction of the evil-doers,
>and for firmly establishing righteousness, I manifest myself from age to
>age. (Bhagavad Gita 9:11)". This quote from the Upanishads, encompasses the
>importance of both the Râma Kandra incarnation, and the 24th/ last avatar
>(Kalki avatar), of Vishnu. (*NB. I'll come back to the Kalki avatar at the
>very end of this post).
>
>Background to Râma Kandra
>--------------------------------
>In the many temples dedicated to him Râma is almost always shown with his
>faithful wife Sita. Râma lived with Sita (incarnation of the universal
>creator, the goddess "Lakshmi"). Further, Vishnu/ Râma Kandra's (Chandra's)
>daughter the goddess Aditi, addressed in part 3 of my post.
>
>Purpose of Râma Kandra
>---------------------------
>The life story of Râma and the main purpose of his incarnation (to destroy
>the demon king Ravana: Smith in the trilogy) is described in the great epic
>Râmayana. A study of the epic Râmayana revealed the following themes:
>
>- Râma represents an ideal man, as conceived by the Hindu mind.
>- In the story of Râmayana, Râma's personality depicts him as perfect son,
>devoted
>brother, true husband and friend, ideal king, and a noble adversary.
>- Râma is, by his very nature though, always ready to destroy evil and
>protect righteousness. He is Dharma manifest.
>- Sita symbolizes an ideal daughter, wife, mother, and queen. Whereas Râma
>symbolizes standards of perfection that can be conceived in all the facets
>of a man's life, Mother Sita represents all that is great and noble in
>womanhood. She is revered as an incarnation of Goddess Lakshmi, the sole
>divine consort of Lord Vishnu.
>
>Râma Kandra & The Matrix Trilogy
>---------------------------------------
>I'll first outline 'Neo', in a Hindu context, then link him with Râma
>Kandra. For Neo, he meets with the machine 'God'. Comparing Neo to the
>appearance of Vishnu in Puranjay's body, the machine god makes the same
>request as the Hindu gods made to Puranjay. In the trailers, by requesting
>Neo's help to defeat evil, to which Neo responds (paraphrase from Puranjay)
>"If I fight the battle riding his shoulder [i.e. Vishnu's], I will be able
>to kill the demons (Vishnu Paran Pt 4)". Obviously, the demons in the
>trilogy are Smith et al. Moving to Râma Kandra, with his knowledge/ help,
>only then will Neo/ Puranjay be able to defeat Smith et al, through
>'perfections'.
>
>The first virtue of Lord Vishnu is his peaceful appearance. Hence his
>worshipper (in this case, Neo) must also acquire peaceful appearance . This
>is also demanded in the last hour of the world, like the world in peril
>presented in the trilogy, that is presently full of conflicts, disputes,
>tensions and all that could pose a potential danger to the earth/
>('universe') of the trilogy itself. Hence, Neo, who wants peace, must first
>reflect the peaceful appearance of Lord Vishnu. this helps us to understand,
>from Eastern religious perspective, Neo's attainment of some degree of
>acquiescence in Reloaded. While he is deemed the 'One', he is also
>attempting to attain the concept, in Hinduism and Buddhism at least, of
>'One' (c.f. 'zero/ nothingness', below).
>
>Analysing the appearance of Râma Kandra at the trainstation, we must
>understand that, earlier, he was to be banished by his father (I assume he,
>and his 'family', are about to 'leave' when at the trainstation). This is,
>in part, connected to how he met Sita, which is unimportant here.
>Nonetheless, because of her faith to Râma, Sita refused to leave his side.
>So they (along with his brother) left for the 'southern wilderness', to
>uphold Râma's father's rather unjust behest.
>
>Râma Kandra & Neodämmerung
>----------------------------------
>
>To get to the wilderness, Kandra & colleagues needed to cross the holy river
>'Ganga'. At this point, they met Guha, the forest king in that area. Guha
>took them across the holy river in his boat. In a different terms of
>reference, the similarities of this scenario to 'The Divine Comedy' are
>striking. The Trainman (Bruce Spence) seems likely to fill the role of a
>brilliant double entendre: he is both Charon to Neo (boatman of the river
>Styx in Dante and Aeneas' works), and in Hindu terms, Guha to Rama Kandra
>and his family. Their business at the trainstation is two-fold.
>
>QUOTE: "Writings on the wall of destiny are indelible. Nobody can erase
>that." (Râma Kandra meets Hanumana in the wilderness).
>
>Integrating Neo at this point, Râma Kandra, with his copper-coloured skin,
>is importantly identified with the Amrita (the Hindu elixir of immortality).
>In the context of Don Davis' 'Neodämmerung' (in itself an adaptation of the
>several sections of the Hindu Upanishads), the interdependence of Neo and
>Râma Kandra to achieve their joint goal--to deliver or preserve a
>'future'--is clear. As connected to Lakshmi and to the different 'poses/
>positions' in the S.R. chakras, I quote this line from the Upanishads: "This
>sun which is radiant and gives light to the entire universe. The benefit in
>form of the sun's years is the body itself." Sita (incarnation of Lakshmi),
>Râma Kandra (incarnation of Vishnu), and Aditi (the most important god of
>all gods) are present at the trainstation for duplicitous reasons, but Neo's
>goal is indeliably goal-orientated, in the end, to preserving/ protecting
>Aditi, and thus preserving a future for all humanity and machines. Another
>reference to the Upanishads, as connected to Sita, is found in part 2 of my
>post.
>
>Neo & Râma Kandra
>------------------------
>Neo's path of virtuosity, growth and progress, leading eventually to
>immortality (see Neodammerung), reflect to goals of 'oneness' in Hinduism.
>The Hindu forms of death (Agni and Aditya) are basically Arka and Ashwamedha
>(c.f. Upanishads), but both these forms of deaths are in one and only one
>form of God/ Godliness. A person who realises this conquers death and
>becomes immortal. Death becomes a part of his soul, as we will see with Neo.
>
>Somewhat ironically, the concept of 'zero or nothingness', itself an ignored
>'anomoly' for eons in Western mathematical thought, was first introduced by
>Eastern-Hindu religion. In Neo's role as 'The One', his path will inevitably
>lead him to immortality in nothingness, again ironically; Zero, if you will,
>at least while in Limbo. While this may seem somewhat negative, his
>attainment will deliver to Neo the 8th perfection of honour (Prakamya).
>
>Neo & Hindu 'Perfections'
>------------------------------
>Perfections may be attained when Kundalini (the 'universe' within one's
>body) awakens; its effects begins to appear over the whole body, making the
>performer much more powerful (evident throughout the trilogy). The power of
>Kundalini allows one (e.g. Neo) to convert anything into anything else: when
>one (e.g. Neo) knows about it and begins to awaken it, nothing remains
>impossible for him. Moreover, whatever is in the universe 'becomes' in the
>body, and with that one may perform many different 'miracles' by awakening
>his Kundalini (e.g. the squiddies). With Neo's realisation of Kundalini,
>Neo's path throughout the trilogy, as realised by each of the eight
>'perfections', is understood. For reference, the 8 perfections are:
>
>- Anima : lightness of body.
>- Mahima : Increasing body/ improving personality
>- Laghima : Lightening body/ fighting disease.
>- Garima : Glorious personality.
>- Ishitwa : Becoming alluring.
>- Vashitva : Enchanting everybody.
>- Prapti : Getting the ungettable.
>- Prakamya : Becoming honourable (in his death. c.f. Neodämmerung)
>
>
>KALI YUGA 'PERIOD' (last of the 4 Chatur Yugas)
>--------------------------------------------
>
>The timing of the Matrix worlds seems to correspond quite well, literally
>and symbolically, with the last of the 4 Chatur Ugas, called Kali Yuga. A
>close Christian parallel would be the world just before apocolypse and the
>'second-coming' (forgive me if I'm a little off here, but religions aren't
>really my specialty).
>
>In the period of Kali Yuga, seldom will there be fruits and flowers on trees
>(see surface; Zion). There will be excessive number of crows in comparison
>to other birds (hence the meeting with The Oracle/ brawl). Beings will be
>'imposters' and feign to be very pious and pure (see humans at beginning of
>S.R.). Religion, truth, thoughts, pity, age, energy, memory all shall get
>gradually emaciated and drained (see whole trilogy). Growing hair will be an
>indication of beauty (see Zion rave). People will protect their 'families'
>by seeking refuge in caves and caverns, and will lead a miserable life (see
>Zion; surface; matrix; S.R.). And so the list goes on.
>
>By the end of the Kali Yuga, however, Lord Vishnu shall incarnate and shall
>give refuge to all that are good and righteous, destroy all evil. A divine
>and strong child named Vishuyasha Kalki (Voila: Râma Kandra compared to the
>24th/ last avatar, called the 'Kalki Avatar') shall take birth in Sambhal.
>
>He shall be the saviour of one and all and he will possess weapon on the
>spur of the moment. He shall emancipate this world from all miseries and
>create happiness. He will put an end to the Kali Yuga and shall create a
>novel Satya Yuga embellished with truth and beauty. This is why the Kalki
>Avatar is the last of the 24 avatars.
>
>Râma Kandra Summary
>---------------------------
>To summarise, it is not surprising the Neo meets/ crosses paths with Râma
>Kandra (Chandra) both at the Merovingian's, and later at a crucial point, in
>the trainstation. It should now also be of no surprise to you that the woman
>is Lakshmi incarnated as Sita, and I'll further examine her role, and the
>support for such a character in the 2nd part of my post.
>
>In the 3rd part, I hope you may better understand why it is that THIS child,
>the child at the trainstation, seems destined to be the most important
>character to both the humans, and to the machines, worlds.
>
>M.
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Thanks for Re=posting this Mello authored stuff Gengon.

This info bascially made the movie completely understandable upon the 1st
viewing....in other words...had I not been familiarized with the info
below...I would have been scratching my head at the Mobil Ave. scene as well
as Sati saying she made the new sunrise for Neo.

Nail

"Gengon" <sergiorogerdon'tspam@esmas.com> wrote in message
news:lr7uqvcrgmn37rcb8n57sia459lmv2d6ac@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:14:18 GMT, "Manta" <jefftopper DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about
> >Hinduism. But, I'd like to learn. So if anyone has a link to how
Revolutions
> >limks to Hinduism, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Here's a reprint of a contribution posted by Melloccino on 27/09/03,
> you can look up the other two:
>
> >----------------------
> >RÂMA KANDRA
> >----------------------
> >
> >As we know, Râma Kandra, cast as Bernard White, is included in castings
for
> >both Reloaded and in Revolutions. If the man in the restaurant IS the
actor
> >Bernard White (not Art Malik, but I can't find any photos of Mr White,
> >although he's played a Pakistani in J.A.G. before, so I do assume, for
good
> >reason, that it's him), the implications for the trilogy are MASSIVE!
> >
> >Who is Râma Kandra (also Chandra)?
> >-----------------------------
> >Lord Râma is an important incarnation of Vishnu. As some of you may
> >understand, Hinduism is a polytheistic (many Gods) religion, but Vishnu
is
> >often regarded very, very highly.
> >
> >QUOTE: " For the salvation of the good, the destruction of the
evil-doers,
> >and for firmly establishing righteousness, I manifest myself from age to
> >age. (Bhagavad Gita 9:11)". This quote from the Upanishads, encompasses
the
> >importance of both the Râma Kandra incarnation, and the 24th/ last avatar
> >(Kalki avatar), of Vishnu. (*NB. I'll come back to the Kalki avatar at
the
> >very end of this post).
> >
> >Background to Râma Kandra
> >--------------------------------
> >In the many temples dedicated to him Râma is almost always shown with his
> >faithful wife Sita. Râma lived with Sita (incarnation of the universal
> >creator, the goddess "Lakshmi"). Further, Vishnu/ Râma Kandra's
(Chandra's)
> >daughter the goddess Aditi, addressed in part 3 of my post.
> >
> >Purpose of Râma Kandra
> >---------------------------
> >The life story of Râma and the main purpose of his incarnation (to
destroy
> >the demon king Ravana: Smith in the trilogy) is described in the great
epic
> >Râmayana. A study of the epic Râmayana revealed the following themes:
> >
> >- Râma represents an ideal man, as conceived by the Hindu mind.
> >- In the story of Râmayana, Râma's personality depicts him as perfect
son,
> >devoted
> >brother, true husband and friend, ideal king, and a noble adversary.
> >- Râma is, by his very nature though, always ready to destroy evil and
> >protect righteousness. He is Dharma manifest.
> >- Sita symbolizes an ideal daughter, wife, mother, and queen. Whereas
Râma
> >symbolizes standards of perfection that can be conceived in all the
facets
> >of a man's life, Mother Sita represents all that is great and noble in
> >womanhood. She is revered as an incarnation of Goddess Lakshmi, the sole
> >divine consort of Lord Vishnu.
> >
> >Râma Kandra & The Matrix Trilogy
> >---------------------------------------
> >I'll first outline 'Neo', in a Hindu context, then link him with Râma
> >Kandra. For Neo, he meets with the machine 'God'. Comparing Neo to the
> >appearance of Vishnu in Puranjay's body, the machine god makes the same
> >request as the Hindu gods made to Puranjay. In the trailers, by
requesting
> >Neo's help to defeat evil, to which Neo responds (paraphrase from
Puranjay)
> >"If I fight the battle riding his shoulder [i.e. Vishnu's], I will be
able
> >to kill the demons (Vishnu Paran Pt 4)". Obviously, the demons in the
> >trilogy are Smith et al. Moving to Râma Kandra, with his knowledge/ help,
> >only then will Neo/ Puranjay be able to defeat Smith et al, through
> >'perfections'.
> >
> >The first virtue of Lord Vishnu is his peaceful appearance. Hence his
> >worshipper (in this case, Neo) must also acquire peaceful appearance .
This
> >is also demanded in the last hour of the world, like the world in peril
> >presented in the trilogy, that is presently full of conflicts, disputes,
> >tensions and all that could pose a potential danger to the earth/
> >('universe') of the trilogy itself. Hence, Neo, who wants peace, must
first
> >reflect the peaceful appearance of Lord Vishnu. this helps us to
understand,
> >from Eastern religious perspective, Neo's attainment of some degree of
> >acquiescence in Reloaded. While he is deemed the 'One', he is also
> >attempting to attain the concept, in Hinduism and Buddhism at least, of
> >'One' (c.f. 'zero/ nothingness', below).
> >
> >Analysing the appearance of Râma Kandra at the trainstation, we must
> >understand that, earlier, he was to be banished by his father (I assume
he,
> >and his 'family', are about to 'leave' when at the trainstation). This
is,
> >in part, connected to how he met Sita, which is unimportant here.
> >Nonetheless, because of her faith to Râma, Sita refused to leave his
side.
> >So they (along with his brother) left for the 'southern wilderness', to
> >uphold Râma's father's rather unjust behest.
> >
> >Râma Kandra & Neodämmerung
> >----------------------------------
> >
> >To get to the wilderness, Kandra & colleagues needed to cross the holy
river
> >'Ganga'. At this point, they met Guha, the forest king in that area. Guha
> >took them across the holy river in his boat. In a different terms of
> >reference, the similarities of this scenario to 'The Divine Comedy' are
> >striking. The Trainman (Bruce Spence) seems likely to fill the role of a
> >brilliant double entendre: he is both Charon to Neo (boatman of the river
> >Styx in Dante and Aeneas' works), and in Hindu terms, Guha to Rama Kandra
> >and his family. Their business at the trainstation is two-fold.
> >
> >QUOTE: "Writings on the wall of destiny are indelible. Nobody can erase
> >that." (Râma Kandra meets Hanumana in the wilderness).
> >
> >Integrating Neo at this point, Râma Kandra, with his copper-coloured
skin,
> >is importantly identified with the Amrita (the Hindu elixir of
immortality).
> >In the context of Don Davis' 'Neodämmerung' (in itself an adaptation of
the
> >several sections of the Hindu Upanishads), the interdependence of Neo and
> >Râma Kandra to achieve their joint goal--to deliver or preserve a
> >'future'--is clear. As connected to Lakshmi and to the different 'poses/
> >positions' in the S.R. chakras, I quote this line from the Upanishads:
"This
> >sun which is radiant and gives light to the entire universe. The benefit
in
> >form of the sun's years is the body itself." Sita (incarnation of
Lakshmi),
> >Râma Kandra (incarnation of Vishnu), and Aditi (the most important god of
> >all gods) are present at the trainstation for duplicitous reasons, but
Neo's
> >goal is indeliably goal-orientated, in the end, to preserving/ protecting
> >Aditi, and thus preserving a future for all humanity and machines.
Another
> >reference to the Upanishads, as connected to Sita, is found in part 2 of
my
> >post.
> >
> >Neo & Râma Kandra
> >------------------------
> >Neo's path of virtuosity, growth and progress, leading eventually to
> >immortality (see Neodammerung), reflect to goals of 'oneness' in
Hinduism.
> >The Hindu forms of death (Agni and Aditya) are basically Arka and
Ashwamedha
> >(c.f. Upanishads), but both these forms of deaths are in one and only one
> >form of God/ Godliness. A person who realises this conquers death and
> >becomes immortal. Death becomes a part of his soul, as we will see with
Neo.
> >
> >Somewhat ironically, the concept of 'zero or nothingness', itself an
ignored
> >'anomoly' for eons in Western mathematical thought, was first introduced
by
> >Eastern-Hindu religion. In Neo's role as 'The One', his path will
inevitably
> >lead him to immortality in nothingness, again ironically; Zero, if you
will,
> >at least while in Limbo. While this may seem somewhat negative, his
> >attainment will deliver to Neo the 8th perfection of honour (Prakamya).
> >
> >Neo & Hindu 'Perfections'
> >------------------------------
> >Perfections may be attained when Kundalini (the 'universe' within one's
> >body) awakens; its effects begins to appear over the whole body, making
the
> >performer much more powerful (evident throughout the trilogy). The power
of
> >Kundalini allows one (e.g. Neo) to convert anything into anything else:
when
> >one (e.g. Neo) knows about it and begins to awaken it, nothing remains
> >impossible for him. Moreover, whatever is in the universe 'becomes' in
the
> >body, and with that one may perform many different 'miracles' by
awakening
> >his Kundalini (e.g. the squiddies). With Neo's realisation of Kundalini,
> >Neo's path throughout the trilogy, as realised by each of the eight
> >'perfections', is understood. For reference, the 8 perfections are:
> >
> >- Anima : lightness of body.
> >- Mahima : Increasing body/ improving personality
> >- Laghima : Lightening body/ fighting disease.
> >- Garima : Glorious personality.
> >- Ishitwa : Becoming alluring.
> >- Vashitva : Enchanting everybody.
> >- Prapti : Getting the ungettable.
> >- Prakamya : Becoming honourable (in his death. c.f. Neodämmerung)
> >
> >
> >KALI YUGA 'PERIOD' (last of the 4 Chatur Yugas)
> >--------------------------------------------
> >
> >The timing of the Matrix worlds seems to correspond quite well, literally
> >and symbolically, with the last of the 4 Chatur Ugas, called Kali Yuga. A
> >close Christian parallel would be the world just before apocolypse and
the
> >'second-coming' (forgive me if I'm a little off here, but religions
aren't
> >really my specialty).
> >
> >In the period of Kali Yuga, seldom will there be fruits and flowers on
trees
> >(see surface; Zion). There will be excessive number of crows in
comparison
> >to other birds (hence the meeting with The Oracle/ brawl). Beings will be
> >'imposters' and feign to be very pious and pure (see humans at beginning
of
> >S.R.). Religion, truth, thoughts, pity, age, energy, memory all shall get
> >gradually emaciated and drained (see whole trilogy). Growing hair will be
an
> >indication of beauty (see Zion rave). People will protect their
'families'
> >by seeking refuge in caves and caverns, and will lead a miserable life
(see
> >Zion; surface; matrix; S.R.). And so the list goes on.
> >
> >By the end of the Kali Yuga, however, Lord Vishnu shall incarnate and
shall
> >give refuge to all that are good and righteous, destroy all evil. A
divine
> >and strong child named Vishuyasha Kalki (Voila: Râma Kandra compared to
the
> >24th/ last avatar, called the 'Kalki Avatar') shall take birth in
Sambhal.
> >
> >He shall be the saviour of one and all and he will possess weapon on the
> >spur of the moment. He shall emancipate this world from all miseries and
> >create happiness. He will put an end to the Kali Yuga and shall create a
> >novel Satya Yuga embellished with truth and beauty. This is why the Kalki
> >Avatar is the last of the 24 avatars.
> >
> >Râma Kandra Summary
> >---------------------------
> >To summarise, it is not surprising the Neo meets/ crosses paths with Râma
> >Kandra (Chandra) both at the Merovingian's, and later at a crucial point,
in
> >the trainstation. It should now also be of no surprise to you that the
woman
> >is Lakshmi incarnated as Sita, and I'll further examine her role, and the
> >support for such a character in the 2nd part of my post.
> >
> >In the 3rd part, I hope you may better understand why it is that THIS
child,
> >the child at the trainstation, seems destined to be the most important
> >character to both the humans, and to the machines, worlds.
> >
> >M.
 >> Stay informed about: This newsgroup after the movies 

I am of the opinion that Melloccino, with his knew knowledge of the entire
trilogy, could feasibly rework his Hindu Matrix references to work
specifically with the characters as we know them. We could append that to
the FAQ as well, and we could have a super-duper FAQ that really is a FAQ
for this newsgroup and not just something I hold onto on my hard drive
alone. :-)


--- telmaHmAI wrote:
>
> Thanks for Re=posting this Mello authored stuff Gengon.
>
> This info bascially made the movie completely understandable upon the 1st
> viewing....in other words...had I not been familiarized with the info
> below...I would have been scratching my head at the Mobil Ave. scene as
> well as Sati saying she made the new sunrise for Neo.
>
> Nail
>
> "Gengon" <sergiorogerdon'tspam@esmas.com> wrote in message
> news:lr7uqvcrgmn37rcb8n57sia459lmv2d6ac@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:14:18 GMT, "Manta" <jefftopper.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > . Unfortunately, I don't know anything about
> > > Hinduism. But, I'd like to learn. So if anyone has a link to how
> > > Revolutions limks to Hinduism, I'd appreciate it.
> >
> > Here's a reprint of a contribution posted by Melloccino on 27/09/03,
> > you can look up the other two:
> >
> > > ----------------------
> > > RÂMA KANDRA
> > > ----------------------
> > >
> > > As we know, Râma Kandra, cast as Bernard White, is included in
> > > castings for both Reloaded and in Revolutions. If the man in the
> > > restaurant IS the actor Bernard White (not Art Malik, but I can't
> > > find any photos of Mr White, although he's played a Pakistani in
> > > J.A.G. before, so I do assume, for good reason, that it's him), the
> > > implications for the trilogy are MASSIVE!
> > >
> > > Who is Râma Kandra (also Chandra)?
> > > -----------------------------
> > > Lord Râma is an important incarnation of Vishnu. As some of you may
> > > understand, Hinduism is a polytheistic (many Gods) religion, but
> > > Vishnu is often regarded very, very highly.
> > >
> > > QUOTE: " For the salvation of the good, the destruction of the
> > > evil-doers, and for firmly establishing righteousness, I manifest
> > > myself from age to age. (Bhagavad Gita 9:11)". This quote from the
> > > Upanishads, encompasses the importance of both the Râma Kandra
> > > incarnation, and the 24th/ last avatar (Kalki avatar), of Vishnu.
> > > (*NB. I'll come back to the Kalki avatar at the very end of this
> > > post).
> > >
> > > Background to Râma Kandra
> > > --------------------------------
> > > In the many temples dedicated to him Râma is almost always shown
> > > with his faithful wife Sita. Râma lived with Sita (incarnation of
> > > the universal creator, the goddess "Lakshmi"). Further, Vishnu/ Râma
> > > Kandra's (Chandra's) daughter the goddess Aditi, addressed in part 3
> > > of my post.
> > >
> > > Purpose of Râma Kandra
> > > ---------------------------
> > > The life story of Râma and the main purpose of his incarnation (to
> > > destroy the demon king Ravana: Smith in the trilogy) is described in
> > > the great epic Râmayana. A study of the epic Râmayana revealed the
> > > following themes:
> > >
> > > - Râma represents an ideal man, as conceived by the Hindu mind.
> > > - In the story of Râmayana, Râma's personality depicts him as
> > > perfect son, devoted
> > > brother, true husband and friend, ideal king, and a noble adversary.
> > > - Râma is, by his very nature though, always ready to destroy evil
> > > and protect righteousness. He is Dharma manifest.
> > > - Sita symbolizes an ideal daughter, wife, mother, and queen.
> > > Whereas Râma symbolizes standards of perfection that can be
> > > conceived in all the facets of a man's life, Mother Sita represents
> > > all that is great and noble in womanhood. She is revered as an
> > > incarnation of Goddess Lakshmi, the sole divine consort of Lord
> > > Vishnu.
> > >
> > > Râma Kandra & The Matrix Trilogy
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > I'll first outline 'Neo', in a Hindu context, then link him with Râma
> > > Kandra. For Neo, he meets with the machine 'God'. Comparing Neo to
> > > the appearance of Vishnu in Puranjay's body, the machine god makes
> > > the same request as the Hindu gods made to Puranjay. In the
> > > trailers, by requesting Neo's help to defeat evil, to which Neo
> > > responds (paraphrase from Puranjay) "If I fight the battle riding
> > > his shoulder [i.e. Vishnu's], I will be able to kill the demons
> > > (Vishnu Paran Pt 4)". Obviously, the demons in the trilogy are Smith
> > > et al. Moving to Râma Kandra, with his knowledge/ help, only then
> > > will Neo/ Puranjay be able to defeat Smith et al, through
> > > 'perfections'.
> > >
> > > The first virtue of Lord Vishnu is his peaceful appearance. Hence his
> > > worshipper (in this case, Neo) must also acquire peaceful appearance
> > > . This is also demanded in the last hour of the world, like the
> > > world in peril presented in the trilogy, that is presently full of
> > > conflicts, disputes, tensions and all that could pose a potential
> > > danger to the earth/ ('universe') of the trilogy itself. Hence, Neo,
> > > who wants peace, must first reflect the peaceful appearance of Lord
> > > Vishnu. this helps us to understand, from Eastern religious
> > > perspective, Neo's attainment of some degree of acquiescence in
> > > Reloaded. While he is deemed the 'One', he is also attempting to
> > > attain the concept, in Hinduism and Buddhism at least, of 'One'
> > > (c.f. 'zero/ nothingness', below).
> > >
> > > Analysing the appearance of Râma Kandra at the trainstation, we must
> > > understand that, earlier, he was to be banished by his father (I
> > > assume he, and his 'family', are about to 'leave' when at the
> > > trainstation). This is, in part, connected to how he met Sita, which
> > > is unimportant here. Nonetheless, because of her faith to Râma, Sita
> > > refused to leave his side. So they (along with his brother) left for
> > > the 'southern wilderness', to uphold Râma's father's rather unjust
> > > behest.
> > >
> > > Râma Kandra & Neodämmerung
> > > ----------------------------------
> > >
> > > To get to the wilderness, Kandra & colleagues needed to cross the
> > > holy river 'Ganga'. At this point, they met Guha, the forest king in
> > > that area. Guha took them across the holy river in his boat. In a
> > > different terms of reference, the similarities of this scenario to
> > > 'The Divine Comedy' are striking. The Trainman (Bruce Spence) seems
> > > likely to fill the role of a brilliant double entendre: he is both
> > > Charon to Neo (boatman of the river Styx in Dante and Aeneas'
> > > works), and in Hindu terms, Guha to Rama Kandra and his family.
> > > Their business at the trainstation is two-fold.
> > >
> > > QUOTE: "Writings on the wall of destiny are indelible. Nobody can
> > > erase that." (Râma Kandra meets Hanumana in the wilderness).
> > >
> > > Integrating Neo at this point, Râma Kandra, with his copper-coloured
> > > skin, is importantly identified with the Amrita (the Hindu elixir of
> > > immortality). In the context of Don Davis' 'Neodämmerung' (in itself
> > > an adaptation of the several sections of the Hindu Upanishads), the
> > > interdependence of Neo and Râma Kandra to achieve their joint
> > > goal--to deliver or preserve a 'future'--is clear. As connected to
> > > Lakshmi and to the different 'poses/ positions' in the S.R. chakras,
> > > I quote this line from the Upanishads: "This sun which is radiant
> > > and gives light to the entire universe. The benefit in form of the
> > > sun's years is the body itself." Sita (incarnation of Lakshmi), Râma
> > > Kandra (incarnation of Vishnu), and Aditi (the most important god of
> > > all gods) are present at the trainstation for duplicitous reasons,
> > > but Neo's goal is indeliably goal-orientated, in the end, to
> > > preserving/ protecting Aditi, and thus preserving a future for all
> > > humanity and machines. Another reference to the Upanishads, as
> > > connected to Sita, is found in part 2 of my post.
> > >
> > > Neo & Râma Kandra
> > > ------------------------
> > > Neo's path of virtuosity, growth and progress, leading eventually to
> > > immortality (see Neodammerung), reflect to goals of 'oneness' in
> > > Hinduism. The Hindu forms of death (Agni and Aditya) are basically
> > > Arka and Ashwamedha (c.f. Upanishads), but both these forms of
> > > deaths are in one and only one form of God/ Godliness. A person who
> > > realises this conquers death and becomes immortal. Death becomes a
> > > part of his soul, as we will see with Neo.
> > >
> > > Somewhat ironically, the concept of 'zero or nothingness', itself an
> > > ignored 'anomoly' for eons in Western mathematical thought, was
> > > first introduced by Eastern-Hindu religion. In Neo's role as 'The
> > > One', his path will inevitably lead him to immortality in
> > > nothingness, again ironically; Zero, if you will, at least while in
> > > Limbo. While this may seem somewhat negative, his attainment will
> > > deliver to Neo the 8th perfection of honour (Prakamya).
> > >
> > > Neo & Hindu 'Perfections'
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Perfections may be attained when Kundalini (the 'universe' within
> > > one's body) awakens; its effects begins to appear over the whole
> > > body, making the performer much more powerful (evident throughout
> > > the trilogy). The power of Kundalini allows one (e.g. Neo) to
> > > convert anything into anything else: when one (e.g. Neo) knows about
> > > it and begins to awaken it, nothing remains impossible for him.
> > > Moreover, whatever is in the universe 'becomes' in the body, and
> > > with that one may perform many different 'miracles' by awakening his
> > > Kundalini (e.g. the squiddies). With Neo's realisation of Kundalini,
> > > Neo's path throughout the trilogy, as realised by each of the eight
> > > 'perfections', is understood. For reference, the 8 perfections are:
> > >
> > > - Anima : lightness of body.
> > > - Mahima : Increasing body/ improving personality
> > > - Laghima : Lightening body/ fighting disease.
> > > - Garima : Glorious personality.
> > > - Ishitwa : Becoming alluring.
> > > - Vashitva : Enchanting everybody.
> > > - Prapti : Getting the ungettable.
> > > - Prakamya : Becoming honourable (in his death. c.f. Neodämmerung)
> > >
> > >
> > > KALI YUGA 'PERIOD' (last of the 4 Chatur Yugas)
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > The timing of the Matrix worlds seems to correspond quite well,
> > > literally and symbolically, with the last of the 4 Chatur Ugas,
> > > called Kali Yuga. A close Christian parallel would be the world just
> > > before apocolypse and the 'second-coming' (forgive me if I'm a
> > > little off here, but religions aren't really my specialty).
> > >
> > > In the period of Kali Yuga, seldom will there be fruits and flowers
> > > on trees (see surface; Zion). There will be excessive number of
> > > crows in comparison to other birds (hence the meeting with The
> > > Oracle/ brawl). Beings will be 'imposters' and feign to be very
> > > pious and pure (see humans at beginning of S.R.). Religion, truth,
> > > thoughts, pity, age, energy, memory all shall get gradually
> > > emaciated and drained (see whole trilogy). Growing hair will be an
> > > indication of beauty (see Zion rave). People will protect their
> > > 'families' by seeking refuge in caves and caverns, and will lead a
> > > miserable life (see Zion; surface; matrix; S.R.). And so the list
> > > goes on.
> > >
> > > By the end of the Kali Yuga, however, Lord Vishnu shall incarnate
> > > and shall give refuge to all that are good and righteous, destroy
> > > all evil. A divine and strong child named Vishuyasha Kalki (Voila:
> > > Râma Kandra compared to the 24th/ last avatar, called the 'Kalki
> > > Avatar') shall take birth in Sambhal.
> > >
> > > He shall be the saviour of one and all and he will possess weapon on
> > > the spur of the moment. He shall emancipate this world from all
> > > miseries and create happiness. He will put an end to the Kali Yuga
> > > and shall create a novel Satya Yuga embellished with truth and
> > > beauty. This is why the Kalki Avatar is the last of the 24 avatars.
> > >
> > > Râma Kandra Summary
> > > ---------------------------
> > > To summarise, it is not surprising the Neo meets/ crosses paths with
> > > Râma Kandra (Chandra) both at the Merovingian's, and later at a
> > > crucial point, in the trainstation. It should now also be of no
> > > surprise to you that the woman is Lakshmi incarnated as Sita, and
> > > I'll further examine her role, and the support for such a character
> > > in the 2nd part of my post.
> > >
> > > In the 3rd part, I hope you may better understand why it is that
> > > THIS child, the child at the trainstation, seems destined to be the
> > > most important character to both the humans, and to the machines,
> > > worlds.
> > >
> > > M.
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:32:24 -0500, "JPM III" <jpmccord.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I have noticed no such split among the regulars. I have noticed that we each
>have our own opinions and none of us are really taking any sides, but we are
>each arguing the semantics of our own distinct arguments.
>
>Also, it seems to me that most of the regulars really liked it, and that is
>what makes us regulars. We wouldn't have become regulars in the first place
>if we weren't too obsessed with these movies in the first place. :-P
>
>

We do not, I have no opinion and you can quote me on that.

Now here's what I think.....


James.Williams
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U¿ytkownik "telmaHmAI" <telmahmai.RemoveThis@socal.river_rafting.com> napisa³ w
wiadomo¶ci news:z9Lrb.126270$ZH4.27376@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Thanks for Re=posting this Mello authored stuff Gengon.
>
> This info bascially made the movie completely understandable upon the 1st
> viewing....in other words...had I not been familiarized with the info
> below...I would have been scratching my head at the Mobil Ave. scene as
well
> as Sati saying she made the new sunrise for Neo.


And I was scrathing the first day before the discussions started:)
But thanks Gengon for this stuff...it'll be an interesting lecture....


> "Gengon" <sergiorogerdon'tspam@esmas.com> wrote in message
> news:lr7uqvcrgmn37rcb8n57sia459lmv2d6ac@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:14:18 GMT, "Manta" <jefftopper.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about
> > >Hinduism. But, I'd like to learn. So if anyone has a link to how
> Revolutions
> > >limks to Hinduism, I'd appreciate it.
> >
> > Here's a reprint of a contribution posted by Melloccino on 27/09/03,
> > you can look up the other two:
> >
> > >----------------------
> > >RÂMA KANDRA
> > >----------------------
> > >
> > >As we know, Râma Kandra, cast as Bernard White, is included in castings
> for
> > >both Reloaded and in Revolutions. If the man in the restaurant IS the
> actor
> > >Bernard White (not Art Malik, but I can't find any photos of Mr White,
> > >although he's played a Pakistani in J.A.G. before, so I do assume, for
> good
> > >reason, that it's him), the implications for the trilogy are MASSIVE!
> > >
> > >Who is Râma Kandra (also Chandra)?
> > >-----------------------------
> > >Lord Râma is an important incarnation of Vishnu. As some of you may
> > >understand, Hinduism is a polytheistic (many Gods) religion, but Vishnu
> is
> > >often regarded very, very highly.
> > >
> > >QUOTE: " For the salvation of the good, the destruction of the
> evil-doers,
> > >and for firmly establishing righteousness, I manifest myself from age
to
> > >age. (Bhagavad Gita 9:11)". This quote from the Upanishads, encompasses
> the
> > >importance of both the Râma Kandra incarnation, and the 24th/ last
avatar
> > >(Kalki avatar), of Vishnu. (*NB. I'll come back to the Kalki avatar at
> the
> > >very end of this post).
> > >
> > >Background to Râma Kandra
> > >--------------------------------
> > >In the many temples dedicated to him Râma is almost always shown with
his
> > >faithful wife Sita. Râma lived with Sita (incarnation of the universal
> > >creator, the goddess "Lakshmi"). Further, Vishnu/ Râma Kandra's
> (Chandra's)
> > >daughter the goddess Aditi, addressed in part 3 of my post.
> > >
> > >Purpose of Râma Kandra
> > >---------------------------
> > >The life story of Râma and the main purpose of his incarnation (to
> destroy
> > >the demon king Ravana: Smith in the trilogy) is described in the great
> epic
> > >Râmayana. A study of the epic Râmayana revealed the following themes:
> > >
> > >- Râma represents an ideal man, as conceived by the Hindu mind.
> > >- In the story of Râmayana, Râma's personality depicts him as perfect
> son,
> > >devoted
> > >brother, true husband and friend, ideal king, and a noble adversary.
> > >- Râma is, by his very nature though, always ready to destroy evil and
> > >protect righteousness. He is Dharma manifest.
> > >- Sita symbolizes an ideal daughter, wife, mother, and queen. Whereas
> Râma
> > >symbolizes standards of perfection that can be conceived in all the
> facets
> > >of a man's life, Mother Sita represents all that is great and noble in
> > >womanhood. She is revered as an incarnation of Goddess Lakshmi, the
sole
> > >divine consort of Lord Vishnu.
> > >
> > >Râma Kandra & The Matrix Trilogy
> > >---------------------------------------
> > >I'll first outline 'Neo', in a Hindu context, then link him with Râma
> > >Kandra. For Neo, he meets with the machine 'God'. Comparing Neo to the
> > >appearance of Vishnu in Puranjay's body, the machine god makes the same
> > >request as the Hindu gods made to Puranjay. In the trailers, by
> requesting
> > >Neo's help to defeat evil, to which Neo responds (paraphrase from
> Puranjay)
> > >"If I fight the battle riding his shoulder [i.e. Vishnu's], I will be
> able
> > >to kill the demons (Vishnu Paran Pt 4)". Obviously, the demons in the
> > >trilogy are Smith et al. Moving to Râma Kandra, with his knowledge/
help,
> > >only then will Neo/ Puranjay be able to defeat Smith et al, through
> > >'perfections'.
> > >
> > >The first virtue of Lord Vishnu is his peaceful appearance. Hence his
> > >worshipper (in this case, Neo) must also acquire peaceful appearance .
> This
> > >is also demanded in the last hour of the world, like the world in peril
> > >presented in the trilogy, that is presently full of conflicts,
disputes,
> > >tensions and all that could pose a potential danger to the earth/
> > >('universe') of the trilogy itself. Hence, Neo, who wants peace, must
> first
> > >reflect the peaceful appearance of Lord Vishnu. this helps us to
> understand,
> > >from Eastern religious perspective, Neo's attainment of some degree of
> > >acquiescence in Reloaded. While he is deemed the 'One', he is also
> > >attempting to attain the concept, in Hinduism and Buddhism at least, of
> > >'One' (c.f. 'zero/ nothingness', below).
> > >
> > >Analysing the appearance of Râma Kandra at the trainstation, we must
> > >understand that, earlier, he was to be banished by his father (I assume
> he,
> > >and his 'family', are about to 'leave' when at the trainstation). This
> is,
> > >in part, connected to how he met Sita, which is unimportant here.
> > >Nonetheless, because of her faith to Râma, Sita refused to leave his
> side.
> > >So they (along with his brother) left for the 'southern wilderness', to
> > >uphold Râma's father's rather unjust behest.
> > >
> > >Râma Kandra & Neodämmerung
> > >----------------------------------
> > >
> > >To get to the wilderness, Kandra & colleagues needed to cross the holy
> river
> > >'Ganga'. At this point, they met Guha, the forest king in that area.
Guha
> > >took them across the holy river in his boat. In a different terms of
> > >reference, the similarities of this scenario to 'The Divine Comedy' are
> > >striking. The Trainman (Bruce Spence) seems likely to fill the role of
a
> > >brilliant double entendre: he is both Charon to Neo (boatman of the
river
> > >Styx in Dante and Aeneas' works), and in Hindu terms, Guha to Rama
Kandra
> > >and his family. Their business at the trainstation is two-fold.
> > >
> > >QUOTE: "Writings on the wall of destiny are indelible. Nobody can erase
> > >that." (Râma Kandra meets Hanumana in the wilderness).
> > >
> > >Integrating Neo at this point, Râma Kandra, with his copper-coloured
> skin,
> > >is importantly identified with the Amrita (the Hindu elixir of
> immortality).
> > >In the context of Don Davis' 'Neodämmerung' (in itself an adaptation of
> the
> > >several sections of the Hindu Upanishads), the interdependence of Neo
and
> > >Râma Kandra to achieve their joint goal--to deliver or preserve a
> > >'future'--is clear. As connected to Lakshmi and to the different
'poses/
> > >positions' in the S.R. chakras, I quote this line from the Upanishads:
> "This
> > >sun which is radiant and gives light to the entire universe. The
benefit
> in
> > >form of the sun's years is the body itself." Sita (incarnation of
> Lakshmi),
> > >Râma Kandra (incarnation of Vishnu), and Aditi (the most important god
of
> > >all gods) are present at the trainstation for duplicitous reasons, but
> Neo's
> > >goal is indeliably goal-orientated, in the end, to preserving/
protecting
> > >Aditi, and thus preserving a future for all humanity and machines.
> Another
> > >reference to the Upanishads, as connected to Sita, is found in part 2
of
> my
> > >post.
> > >
> > >Neo & Râma Kandra
> > >------------------------
> > >Neo's path of virtuosity, growth and progress, leading eventually to
> > >immortality (see Neodammerung), reflect to goals of 'oneness' in
> Hinduism.
> > >The Hindu forms of death (Agni and Aditya) are basically Arka and
> Ashwamedha
> > >(c.f. Upanishads), but both these forms of deaths are in one and only
one
> > >form of God/ Godliness. A person who realises this conquers death and
> > >becomes immortal. Death becomes a part of his soul, as we will see with
> Neo.
> > >
> > >Somewhat ironically, the concept of 'zero or nothingness', itself an
> ignored
> > >'anomoly' for eons in Western mathematical thought, was first
introduced
> by
> > >Eastern-Hindu religion. In Neo's role as 'The One', his path will
> inevitably
> > >lead him to immortality in nothingness, again ironically; Zero, if you
> will,
> > >at least while in Limbo. While this may seem somewhat negative, his
> > >attainment will deliver to Neo the 8th perfection of honour (Prakamya).
> > >
> > >Neo & Hindu 'Perfections'
> > >------------------------------
> > >Perfections may be attained when Kundalini (the 'universe' within one's
> > >body) awakens; its effects begins to appear over the whole body, making
> the
> > >performer much more powerful (evident throughout the trilogy). The
power
> of
> > >Kundalini allows one (e.g. Neo) to convert anything into anything else:
> when
> > >one (e.g. Neo) knows about it and begins to awaken it, nothing remains
> > >impossible for him. Moreover, whatever is in the universe 'becomes' in
> the
> > >body, and with that one may perform many different 'miracles' by
> awakening
> > >his Kundalini (e.g. the squiddies). With Neo's realisation of
Kundalini,
> > >Neo's path throughout the trilogy, as realised by each of the eight
> > >'perfections', is understood. For reference, the 8 perfections are:
> > >
> > >- Anima : lightness of body.
> > >- Mahima : Increasing body/ improving personality
> > >- Laghima : Lightening body/ fighting disease.
> > >- Garima : Glorious personality.
> > >- Ishitwa : Becoming alluring.
> > >- Vashitva : Enchanting everybody.
> > >- Prapti : Getting the ungettable.
> > >- Prakamya : Becoming honourable (in his death. c.f. Neodämmerung)
> > >
> > >
> > >KALI YUGA 'PERIOD' (last of the 4 Chatur Yugas)
> > >--------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >The timing of the Matrix worlds seems to correspond quite well,
literally
> > >and symbolically, with the last of the 4 Chatur Ugas, called Kali Yuga.
A
> > >close Christian parallel would be the world just before apocolypse and
> the
> > >'second-coming' (forgive me if I'm a little off here, but religions
> aren't
> > >really my specialty).
> > >
> > >In the period of Kali Yuga, seldom will there be fruits and flowers on
> trees
> > >(see surface; Zion). There will be excessive number of crows in
> comparison
> > >to other birds (hence the meeting with The Oracle/ brawl). Beings will
be
> > >'imposters' and feign to be very pious and pure (see humans at
beginning
> of
> > >S.R.). Religion, truth, thoughts, pity, age, energy, memory all shall
get
> > >gradually emaciated and drained (see whole trilogy). Growing hair will
be
> an
> > >indication of beauty (see Zion rave). People will protect their
> 'families'
> > >by seeking refuge in caves and caverns, and will lead a miserable life
> (see
> > >Zion; surface; matrix; S.R.). And so the list goes on.
> > >
> > >By the end of the Kali Yuga, however, Lord Vishnu shall incarnate and
> shall
> > >give refuge to all that are good and righteous, destroy all evil. A
> divine
> > >and strong child named Vishuyasha Kalki (Voila: Râma Kandra compared to
> the
> > >24th/ last avatar, called the 'Kalki Avatar') shall take birth in
> Sambhal.
> > >
> > >He shall be the saviour of one and all and he will possess weapon on
the
> > >spur of the moment. He shall emancipate this world from all miseries
and
> > >create happiness. He will put an end to the Kali Yuga and shall create
a
> > >novel Satya Yuga embellished with truth and beauty. This is why the
Kalki
> > >Avatar is the last of the 24 avatars.
> > >
> > >Râma Kandra Summary
> > >---------------------------
> > >To summarise, it is not surprising the Neo meets/ crosses paths with
Râma
> > >Kandra (Chandra) both at the Merovingian's, and later at a crucial
point,
> in
> > >the trainstation. It should now also be of no surprise to you that the
> woman
> > >is Lakshmi incarnated as Sita, and I'll further examine her role, and
the
> > >support for such a character in the 2nd part of my post.
> > >
> > >In the 3rd part, I hope you may better understand why it is that THIS
> child,
> > >the child at the trainstation, seems destined to be the most important
> > >character to both the humans, and to the machines, worlds.
> > >
> > >M.
>
>
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