notable foreign films with american characters

On Oct 5, 11:42 am, wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> >
>
> > > paisan
>
> > > l'avventura (some pompous tard in gallery)
>
> > > breathless (some dorkass publisher)
>
> Strange description of Jean Seberg...
>
> > > rhapsody in august (richard gere)
>
> How about:
>
> _Last Tango in Paris_ (Marlon Brando)
>
> _Wings of Desire_ (Peter Falk)
>
> _The Year of the Quiet Sun_ (Scott Wilson)
>
> _Ulysses Gaze_ (Harvey Keitel)
>
> _Contempt_ (Jack Palance)
>
> Jim Beaver wrote:
> > THE AMERICAN FRIEND
>
> > STROSZEK
>
> Well, if you're going to count foreign productions shot in the US,
> there's _Paris Texas_.
>
> Here's a question. What non-English-language movies have non-English-
> language actors playing Americans, and speaking a foreign language as
> though it's English? You know, the way some Hollywood movies treat
> foreign settings. For some reason, I can't think of any, and the
> closest I can get is Brecht's plays about "Chicago."

And five minutes after posting, I remember Wenders's film of _The
Scarlet Letter_. Come to think of it, half of the movies Wenders ever
made belong in some category in this thread.

Tom



> Tom
>
> > ALPHAVILLE (and all the Lemmy Cautions, no?)
>
> > All those mind-boggling Karl May Westerns
>
> > Jim Beaver
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On Oct 5, 11:57 am, wrote:
> On Oct 5, 11:42 am, wrote:
>
>
>
> > > wrote in message
>
> > >
>
> > > > paisan
>
> > > > l'avventura (some pompous tard in gallery)
>
> > > > breathless (some dorkass publisher)
>
> > Strange description of Jean Seberg...
>
> > > > rhapsody in august (richard gere)
>
> > How about:
>
> > _Last Tango in Paris_ (Marlon Brando)
>
> > _Wings of Desire_ (Peter Falk)
>
> > _The Year of the Quiet Sun_ (Scott Wilson)
>
> > _Ulysses Gaze_ (Harvey Keitel)
>
> > _Contempt_ (Jack Palance)
>
> > Jim Beaver wrote:
> > > THE AMERICAN FRIEND
>
> > > STROSZEK
>
> > Well, if you're going to count foreign productions shot in the US,
> > there's _Paris Texas_.
>
> > Here's a question. What non-English-language movies have non-English-
> > language actors playing Americans, and speaking a foreign language as
> > though it's English? You know, the way some Hollywood movies treat
> > foreign settings. For some reason, I can't think of any, and the
> > closest I can get is Brecht's plays about "Chicago."
>
> And five minutes after posting, I remember Wenders's film of _The
> Scarlet Letter_. Come to think of it, half of the movies Wenders ever
> made belong in some category in this thread.

And five minutes later, I think of a partial example: Luc Moullet's
_Une aventure de Billy le Kid_ 1971, AKA _A Girl is a Gun_), in which
Jean-Pierre Leaud is Billy the Kid, wandering around an American West
that looks more like the surface of Mars, and, in Moullet's preferred
version, is dubbed into English to sound roughly like Clint Eastwood.
One of the odder things you'll ever see.

And, speaking of odd, I suppose _WR: The Mysteries of the Organism_
fits into the same category as _Stroszek_.

Tom

Tom
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:21:16 -0700, leo86.DeleteThis@my-deja.com wrote:

>+ five Japanese monster/sci-fi movies off the top of my head:
>
>MESSAGE FROM SPACE, with Vic Morrow
>GODZILLA VS. MONSTER ZERO, with Nick Adams
>FRANKENSTEIN CONQUERS THE WORLD, with Nick Adams
>THE WAR OF THE GARGANTUAS, with Russ Tamblyn
>LATITUDE ZERO, with Joseph Cotten, Richard Jaeckel, Linda Haynes

RODAN with Keye Luke and George Takei
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wrote:

>Also _The Marriage of Maria Braun_ (Günther Kaufmann, who also played
>an American soldier in Fassbinder's _Lola_. From his name, I assume
>he's German, though his accent sounds American. Anybody know his
>story? IMDB lists him as being born in Munich in 1947.)

Günther Kaufmann is the son of a black GI and a white German mother.
He grew up in Munich. In his early days he was a sailor for 4 years,
then he sold magazine subscriptions. In 1970 he met an assistant of
Volker Schlöndorff who cast him for Schlöndorff's TV movie "Baal",
with R.W. Fassbinder in the leading part. From then on Kaufmann
belonged to the close circle around Fassbinder. He played in about
15 Fassbinder movies. After Fassbinder's death his career declined.

A view years ago, Kaufmann was involved in a bizarre murder case.
A friend of Kaufmann and his third wife Alexandra was killed, and
Kaufmann was suspected, and he confessed to be the murderer.
He was sentenced to 15 years in prison. But he was innocent! It
came out that Alexandra, who suffered from cancer, had borrowed
a large amount of money from the victim by making misrepresentations.
She didn't want to pay the money back, and she instigated 3 heavies
to kill the man. Kaufmann made his false confession to protect his
wife, who was fatally ill at that time, from police investigation. But
he didn't know how deeply involved Alexandra was, and he also
didn't know that Alexandra was the mistress of one of the murderers.
Alexandra died at the time of Kaufmann's first trial, but he didn't
revoke his confession - that's a rather mysterious aspect of
Kaufmann's behaviour. So he went to prison without pleading
to be innocent.

But some times later the real murderers were accused by a witness.
There was a new investigation, and now Kaufmann revoked at last.
The murderers were caught and condemned, and Kaufmann was
released after two and a half years in prison. In a second trial he was
fully rehabilitated.

The case was a big sensation in Germany, and Kaufmann's name
became better known than in his best days as an actor. After his
release he played in theater and some minor TV parts, and he
wrote an autobiography which he would like to be filmed. Now
he lives in Bremen in the north of Germany. He has 2 grown-up
children.


Manfred
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On Oct 5, 8:49 pm, Manfred Polak wrote:
> wrote:
> >Also _The Marriage of Maria Braun_ (Günther Kaufmann, who also played
> >an American soldier in Fassbinder's _Lola_. From his name, I assume
> >he's German, though his accent sounds American. Anybody know his
> >story? IMDB lists him as being born in Munich in 1947.)
>
> Günther Kaufmann is the son of a black GI and a white German mother.
> He grew up in Munich. In his early days he was a sailor for 4 years,
> then he sold magazine subscriptions. In 1970 he met an assistant of
> Volker Schlöndorff who cast him for Schlöndorff's TV movie "Baal",
> with R.W. Fassbinder in the leading part. From then on Kaufmann
> belonged to the close circle around Fassbinder. He played in about
> 15 Fassbinder movies. After Fassbinder's death his career declined.
>
> A view years ago, Kaufmann was involved in a bizarre murder case.
> A friend of Kaufmann and his third wife Alexandra was killed, and
> Kaufmann was suspected, and he confessed to be the murderer.
> He was sentenced to 15 years in prison. But he was innocent! It
> came out that Alexandra, who suffered from cancer, had borrowed
> a large amount of money from the victim by making misrepresentations.
> She didn't want to pay the money back, and she instigated 3 heavies
> to kill the man. Kaufmann made his false confession to protect his
> wife, who was fatally ill at that time, from police investigation. But
> he didn't know how deeply involved Alexandra was, and he also
> didn't know that Alexandra was the mistress of one of the murderers.
> Alexandra died at the time of Kaufmann's first trial, but he didn't
> revoke his confession - that's a rather mysterious aspect of
> Kaufmann's behaviour. So he went to prison without pleading
> to be innocent.
>
> But some times later the real murderers were accused by a witness.
> There was a new investigation, and now Kaufmann revoked at last.
> The murderers were caught and condemned, and Kaufmann was
> released after two and a half years in prison. In a second trial he was
> fully rehabilitated.
>
> The case was a big sensation in Germany, and Kaufmann's name
> became better known than in his best days as an actor. After his
> release he played in theater and some minor TV parts, and he
> wrote an autobiography which he would like to be filmed. Now
> he lives in Bremen in the north of Germany. He has 2 grown-up
> children.
>
> Manfred

Thanks for the info. What a fascinating story. If you'd told it to
me as a movie plot I'd have sworn it was out of a Fassbinder picture.

Tom
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On 5 okt, 02:45, Howard Brazee wrote:
> Do you have the Hollywood definition of "foreign", or the one
> everybody else uses?
>
> If it's the former, I might start off with spaghetti westerns.
>
> If it's the latter, I might start off with _The Third Man_.

I assumed American Characters in movies that not only are made by
foreigners, but also surround themselves in a foreign invirement.



Others:
'The Third Man' -> Cotten and Welles
'Secret of the Sahara' -> Michael York (who playes an Englishman!)
'Tenebre' -> Anthony Franciosa (But also John Saxon, who could fill
this list by himself with al the roles he played in Italian films)
'Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines' -> Stuart Whitman

Many giallo's . For instance 'The Bird With the Crystal Plumage' ->
Tony Musante.

Martin
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> Every Spaghetti Western

Not by a long shot.

MK
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