The best performance Chaplin never gave

ulysses DeleteThis @mscomm.com (Candace)
wrote:

>>"But by casting DeMille as Dathan,
>>you're just making a political point
>>against DeMille, not making an esthetic
>>judgment."

>False. If I was making a political point I
>would argue that C.B. should have been
>drawn, quartered and pilloried for his
>politics.

Ah, the tolerance of the left, what
a wondrous thing!


> I would suggest he be blacklisted and
>disappear like countless souls CB
>wished "gone."

Who?

> Instead I'm suggesting he expand his
>directorial prowess by also acting in one
>of his bloated epics. To suggest CB
>would give a better performance than
>Edward G. Robinson, a truly great actor,
>is a major compliment.

Baloney. You were making a disguised
political point about DeMille's character.

Furthermore, DeMille was 75 when he
made this 'bloated epic," which was
too old for Dathan, as you well know.

(Amazing how DeMilles "bloated"
movies are revived year after year...)
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Who cares if DeMille was "too old" for Dathan? Robinson was too New
York-y and also too old for the part. He was ridiculously miscast so
it's immaterial whether C.B. would have been miscast as well.
Robinson also ran around with an open toga the whole movie revealing a
very unflattering flabby stomach. CB was trimmer than Eddie and
wouldn't have run around with a gut hanging out.
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On May 17, 7:19 pm, G-HE....DeleteThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> Richard Carnahan wrote:
> >Yes, we all know that John Ford was
> >opposed to American values.
>
> Ford was on the left at that time,
> but he later conciliated with DeMille.

Ford's position was about ethics and common sense, not politics.
>
> >To quote Joseph L Mankiewicz, "My
> >closest friend is Merian Cooper and he
> >happens to be a brigadier general in the
> >United States Army, and last night, as
> >we were having dinner, Coop said he
> >wouldn't sign any goddam loyalty oath
> >and he said what we were making was a
> >blacklist, and if a brigadier general in the
> >Army tells me it's a blacklist, then it's a
> >goddam blacklist."
>
> He should have thought for himself.
> It wasn't a blacklist.

It was according to the Supreme Court.
>
> And Wesley Clark is a general, too,
> and a grateful nation ought to celebrate
> his retirement.

Good luck in finding any living general--retired or active--who
doesn't think that George W. Bush isn't the worst President in modern
American history.
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On May 18, 6:55 pm, G-HE....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> Richard Carnahan wrote:
> >Good luck in finding any living
> >general--retired or active--who doesn't
> >think that George W. Bush isn't the worst
> >President in modern American history.
>
> General Petraeus....but I thought
> Ronald Reagan was the 'worst,"
> or was it Ike. or....now which Republican
> was it? Teddy Roosevelt? Lincoln?

Can you imagine either Teddy Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln making it
through a Republican primary season today? Sad. And let's see what
Petraeus has to say after >he< retires.
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Richard Carnahan wrote:

>Good luck in finding any living
>general--retired or active--who doesn't
>think that George W. Bush isn't the worst
>President in modern American history.

General Petraeus....but I thought
Ronald Reagan was the 'worst,"
or was it Ike. or....now which Republican
was it? Teddy Roosevelt? Lincoln?
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On May 18, 9:09 pm, G-HE... DeleteThis @webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6... DeleteThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote:
>
> >And let's see what Petraeus has to say
> >after >he< retires.
>
> Oh sure, he's just putting his career
> on the line to play George Bush's
> poodle.

With Tony Blair leaving office, Bush needs a new poodle.

>
> I find it revolting and repulsive that
> you and the Democratic Party are
> playing politics with this war just
> in order to regain the White House
> in 2006.

Yeah, nothing to do with the war itself.
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On May 19, 12:03 am, Richard Carnahan wrote:
> > I find it revolting and repulsive that
> > you and the Democratic Party are
> > playing politics with this war just
> > in order to regain the White House
> > in 2006.
> > Yeah, nothing to do with the war itself.

Guy, guys, guys.

See what happens when you don't listen to
good ol' Bachusio?

You start talking to mentally deranged trolls whose
teeth fillings tell them that Democrats want to
build a time-travel machine and go back to 2006...and regain...
the White House.

It's nothing more absurd than any of his previous statements, of
course, but don't you think you're being a bit cruel to the
poor fellow by acting as if his posts bear any relation to reality?

If there's a ranting madman on the street, one either avoids his
proximity or ignores him.

One certainly doesn't engage and treat his idiotic and preposterous
pronouncements as though they bore any resemblance to rational
discourse - it only gives the poor fellow false hope and encourages
him.

And that's just cruel!
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rfcsac627n.DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:

>And let's see what Petraeus has to say
>after >he< retires.

Oh sure, he's just putting his career
on the line to play George Bush's
poodle.

I find it revolting and repulsive that
you and the Democratic Party are
playing politics with this war just
in order to regain the White House
in 2006.
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rfcsac627n RemoveThis @aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
wrote:

>>I find it revolting and repulsive that
>>you and the Democratic Party are
>>playing politics with this war just
>>in order to regain the White House
>>in 2006.

>Yeah, nothing to do with the war itself.

Yes, it has little to do with war itself.
It's just political opportunism exploting
the difficulties of the war on terror and
the public's impatience with it.

The Democrats are gutless cowards.
Ldt them cut ioff funds if they're got the
cojones to do so. They have the power
to do so.
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bachusio.DeleteThis@rogers.com
wrote:

>One certainly doesn't engage and treat
>his idiotic and preposterous
>pronouncements as though they bore
>any resemblance to rational discourse -
>it only gives the poor fellow false hope>
>and encourages him.
>And that's just cruel!

Listen, you ass, once again the lefties
here have politcized a film thread. The
original topic was Chaplin's chance to
play Noah in THE BIBLE. This was
converted into poltical fodder by Candace
and carried on by Dickie....
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On May 19, 7:41 am, G-HE....DeleteThis@webtv.net (George Shelps) wrote:
> rfcsac6....DeleteThis@aol.com (Richard Carnahan)
> wrote
> >>I find it revolting and repulsive that
> >>you and the Democratic Party are
> >>playing politics with this war just
> >>in order to regain the White House
> >>in 2006.
> >Yeah, nothing to do with the war itself.
> Yes, it has little to do with war itself.
> It's just political opportunism exploting
> the difficulties of the war on terror and
> the public's impatience with it.

Awww, see Richard? That's what you get
for encouraging the poor guy -

The equivalent of : "They put flouride in the
water to increase the conductivity of my fillings so
they could control my mind, etc. etc."

Sad, isn't it?
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For the 800th time, George, I did *not* hijack this thread to make a
political statement. I don't care for CB's politics, but that is
extraneous from his work as a director. We've been through this
before. I despise John Wayne and Ward Bond's politics, but I like both
of them in films and enjoy much of their screen work.

I'm amazed you still cling to the wan hope that Robinson was well cast
as Dathan and that CB wouldn't have been more suitable. I'm equally
amazed that you think Chaplin could have (or would have) worked for
Huston or any other director except himself.

Imagine Huston doing 2,000 takes of some silly scene in the arc. "No,
Charlie, don't extend your hand in that fashion when the dove returns,
be more forceful with your hand movement!"..... Chaplin wouldn't have
put up with someone else directing him when he was 30, much less at
the age of 76.
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bachusio DeleteThis @rogers.com
wrote:


>Awww, see Richard? That's what you get
>for encouraging the poor guy -

>The equivalent of : "They put flouride in
>the water to increase the conductivity of
>my fillings so they could control my
>mind, etc. etc."

>Sad, isn't it?

Hey, creepo! I'd be glad to forgo ALL
contemporary political debate, but I
will do so only if the lefties here do
as well.

But, like you, they're compulsives.
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