Alien is far from realistic

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> > gustavs_a RemoveThis @yahoo.com (Gustavs Avotins) wrote:
> > How do you paralyze it?
>
> They didn't tried to paralyze it. Even if they could't do it, why not
> removing it with hands by using force? 3 man could accurately remove
> it: 1 would do the tail, other 2 the legs. What the hell did they
> expect by hurting its leg?

Its tail was wrapped securely around Kane's neck. Any attempt to remove the
facehugger resulted in the tail constricting even tighter, asphyxiating
Kane. The crew were wary of doing any more damage to their counterpart.
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> > > 1) when the alien egg opens, the man is getting too close and even
> > > tries to touch it with hand. In the reality I think he would jump back
> > > at least a few meters away and watch it from there.
> >
> > In accordance to the law? :)
>
> Consider the egg was huge and the organism didn't look very nice.
> Would you try to touch it when the egg opens? :)

First, the "organism" wasn't visible, and second - what would terror movies be
without the "don't open that door!" scenes?

> > > 2) after the facehugger atacks, other people are too calm, I see no
> > > panic or fear in them.
> >
> > The scene is cut, no one else is seen.
>
> When arriving at the ship they all sound rather bored.

I don't agree, Lambert is extremely upset and Dallas is angry.

> > > 3) in reality I think they would try to paralyse the facehugger and
> > > then remove it with hands by using force. Trying to remove its leg
> > > surgically IMO is stupid, it could do a lot of harm to the host in
> > > pain.
> >
> > How do you paralyze it?
>
> They didn't tried to paralyze it. Even if they could't do it, why not
> removing it with hands by using force?

Since it would choke Kane.

> 3 man could accurately remove
> it: 1 would do the tail, other 2 the legs. What the hell did they
> expect by hurting its leg?

To cut it off, of course.

> > > 4) how could the alien grow so big in such short time? (wasn't it just
> > > a few hours?) There was no organic food, so it must have ate the ship
> > > carcass? :)
> >
> > It's an alien.
>
> How much time did pass? Looked like not more than 1-2 hours. Then you
> would be able to see its growth with a naked eye, not even sure it
> would be able to eat the ship carcass so quickly. Unrealistic even for
> an alien.

How do you determine what is unrealistic about a unknown lifeform? Some
lifeforms here on earth would probably be unrealistic to you. :P

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> > Consider the egg was huge and the organism didn't look very nice.
> > Would you try to touch it when the egg opens? :)
>
> First, the "organism" wasn't visible, and second - what would terror movies be
> without the "don't open that door!" scenes?

The top of it was visible. Why would you want to touch it? It would be
realistic if he stepped back a few meters away and the facehugger
would still catch him.

>
> > > > 2) after the facehugger atacks, other people are too calm, I see no
> > > > panic or fear in them.
> > >
> > > The scene is cut, no one else is seen.
> >
> > When arriving at the ship they all sound rather bored.
>
> I don't agree, Lambert is extremely upset and Dallas is angry.


"We're clean, let us in."
What happened to Kane?
Something has attached itself to him.
....
An organism. Open the hatch!
" - they look and sound bored, yes, angry too, but not scared

>
> > > > 3) in reality I think they would try to paralyse the facehugger and
> > > > then remove it with hands by using force. Trying to remove its leg
> > > > surgically IMO is stupid, it could do a lot of harm to the host in
> > > > pain.
> > >
> > > How do you paralyze it?
> >
> > They didn't tried to paralyze it. Even if they could't do it, why not
> > removing it with hands by using force?
>
> Since it would choke Kane.

No, they would not allow it to do it by using force. The same way it's
done in Aliens, when it attacks Ripley.

>
> > 3 man could accurately remove
> > it: 1 would do the tail, other 2 the legs. What the hell did they
> > expect by hurting its leg?
>
> To cut it off, of course.

That's obvious, but what did they expect would be its reaction? In
pain it could surely choke Kane to death, yet there was even no pain
reaction, another unrealistic thing.

> > How much time did pass? Looked like not more than 1-2 hours. Then you
> > would be able to see its growth with a naked eye, not even sure it
> > would be able to eat the ship carcass so quickly. Unrealistic even for
> > an alien.
>
> How do you determine what is unrealistic about a unknown lifeform? Some
> lifeforms here on earth would probably be unrealistic to you. :P

Maybe it's realistic for you, but for many it's not. When my father
saw the little alien and in the next moment the huge alien, he started
laughting. They should have done this part better.
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> They didn't tried to paralyze it. Even if they could't do it, why not
> removing it with hands by using force? 3 man could accurately remove
> it: 1 would do the tail, other 2 the legs. What the hell did they
> expect by hurting its leg?


They expected the leg to lose the control the body had over it and not to...

*tear off his face* like it was when they first tried to ... remove the leg
from his face and not from it's body.

DALLAS: It's tearing the scalp
ASH: I KNOW!!!
DALLAS: It's not coming off without taking his face off with it...


THAT is why they THEN tried to cut off its leg...

Sheeshh.. If you're gonna troll at least research your subject !


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> Sandman <mr.TakeThisOut@sandman.net> wrote in message
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>> In article <5f9a8224.0404151135.130ca8ea.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>,
>> gustavs_a.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Gustavs Avotins) wrote:
>>
>>> 1) when the alien egg opens, the man is getting too close and even
>>> tries to touch it with hand. In the reality I think he would jump
>>> back at least a few meters away and watch it from there.
>>
>> In accordance to the law? :)
>
> Consider the egg was huge and the organism didn't look very nice.
> Would you try to touch it when the egg opens? :)

Kane was the frustrated explorer among the crew, he was the keenest to get
out to the signal and to go down the shaft it is totally believable once the
egg opened that he would go have a look.

>>> 2) after the facehugger atacks, other people are too calm, I see no
>>> panic or fear in them.
>>
>> The scene is cut, no one else is seen.
>
> When arriving at the ship they all sound rather bored.

They are faking boredom and being matter-of-fact so they can get let back in
and not have to stay in quarantine as they would be liable to do if they
sounded panicked and didn't underplay it. I imagine there was some panicking
when they pulled him up.

>>> 3) in reality I think they would try to paralyse the facehugger and
>>> then remove it with hands by using force. Trying to remove its leg
>>> surgically IMO is stupid, it could do a lot of harm to the host in
>>> pain.
>>
>> How do you paralyze it?
>
> They didn't tried to paralyze it. Even if they could't do it, why not
> removing it with hands by using force? 3 man could accurately remove
> it: 1 would do the tail, other 2 the legs. What the hell did they
> expect by hurting its leg?

They didn't paralyse it by freezing or any such which would have been the
obvious because Ash was protecting it. Parker suggested freezing. Three men
could not lift it off without killing the subject. The whole point of the
face hugger is that it hugs face.

>>> 4) how could the alien grow so big in such short time? (wasn't it
>>> just a few hours?) There was no organic food, so it must have ate
>>> the ship carcass? :)
>>
>> It's an alien.
>
> How much time did pass? Looked like not more than 1-2 hours. Then you
> would be able to see its growth with a naked eye, not even sure it
> would be able to eat the ship carcass so quickly. Unrealistic even for
> an alien.

It is longer than 1-2 hours, may possibly be a day. They tidy Kane's body,
have a burial and then devise a strategy to locate the alien and make the
tools. The alien would be designed to grow very rapidly and get to its best
fighting weight quickly. It is a weapon or at the very least a warrior.

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>1) when the alien egg opens, the man is getting too close and even
>tries to touch it with hand. In the reality I think he would jump back
>at least a few meters away and watch it from there.

Kane was foolhardy. It was an *egg*: how dangerous could it be?

Don't forget the characters hadn't had the privelege of having seen
the film before ;-)

>2) after the facehugger atacks, other people are too calm, I see no
>panic or fear in them.

No one else is there: Kane was all alone.

Or, as Sandman suggests, once people *do* find out, they all look
fairly agitated to me!

>3) in reality I think they would try to paralyse the facehugger

How? (someone else has also asked this)

> and
>then remove it with hands by using force. Trying to remove its leg
>surgically IMO is stupid, it could do a lot of harm to the host in
>pain.

DALLAS: You're tearing his face.

That's what happened when they *did* try the brute force method.

And what's to say things would be any different if the FH was
"paralysed"?


>4) how could the alien grow so big in such short time? (wasn't it just
>a few hours?) There was no organic food, so it must have ate the ship
>carcass? :)

The novelisation had it eating all the food stores.

>I am sure there are other things too.

You *do* know it's a movie, not a documentary, yes?

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I still think that hurting its leg wouldn't be a real option.
How to paralyze it? By injecting a strong anesthetics that
causes sleep, they should have it for unexcpected medical operations.
I'm not saying that it would work.

>Three men could not lift it off without killing the subject.

It didn't looked that strong by measuring the size of its "muscles".

>You *do* know it's a movie, not a documentary, yes?

Sorry, english is not my native language.
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gustavs_a DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Gustavs Avotins) wrote:

> > > Consider the egg was huge and the organism didn't look very nice.
> > > Would you try to touch it when the egg opens? :)
> >
> > First, the "organism" wasn't visible, and second - what would terror movies
> > be
> > without the "don't open that door!" scenes?
>
> The top of it was visible.

No, it wasn't.

> Why would you want to touch it? It would be
> realistic if he stepped back a few meters away and the facehugger
> would still catch him.

No.

> > > > > 2) after the facehugger atacks, other people are too calm, I see no
> > > > > panic or fear in them.
> > > >
> > > > The scene is cut, no one else is seen.
> > >
> > > When arriving at the ship they all sound rather bored.
> >
> > I don't agree, Lambert is extremely upset and Dallas is angry.
>
> "We're clean, let us in."
> What happened to Kane?
> Something has attached itself to him.
> ...
> An organism. Open the hatch!
> " - they look and sound bored, yes, angry too, but not scared

As I said - upset and angry.

> > > > > 3) in reality I think they would try to paralyse the facehugger and
> > > > > then remove it with hands by using force. Trying to remove its leg
> > > > > surgically IMO is stupid, it could do a lot of harm to the host in
> > > > > pain.
> > > >
> > > > How do you paralyze it?
> > >
> > > They didn't tried to paralyze it. Even if they could't do it, why not
> > > removing it with hands by using force?
> >
> > Since it would choke Kane.
>
> No, they would not allow it to do it by using force.

What amount of force?

> The same way it's
> done in Aliens, when it attacks Ripley.

You mean when it hasn't got a firm grip on her throat?

> > > 3 man could accurately remove
> > > it: 1 would do the tail, other 2 the legs. What the hell did they
> > > expect by hurting its leg?
> >
> > To cut it off, of course.
>
> That's obvious, but what did they expect would be its reaction? In
> pain it could surely choke Kane to death, yet there was even no pain
> reaction, another unrealistic thing.

Why? Why are you assuming the facehugger felt pain?

> > > How much time did pass? Looked like not more than 1-2 hours. Then you
> > > would be able to see its growth with a naked eye, not even sure it
> > > would be able to eat the ship carcass so quickly. Unrealistic even for
> > > an alien.
> >
> > How do you determine what is unrealistic about a unknown lifeform? Some
> > lifeforms here on earth would probably be unrealistic to you. :P
>
> Maybe it's realistic for you, but for many it's not.

Irrelevant.

> When my father
> saw the little alien and in the next moment the huge alien, he started
> laughting. They should have done this part better.

Of course they shouldn't. If your father can't deal with made up creatures, he
should only watch Discovery.

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> > The top of it was visible.
>
> No, it wasn't.

You could see there some "meat" moving.

> > Why would you want to touch it? It would be
> > realistic if he stepped back a few meters away and the facehugger
> > would still catch him.
>
> No.

What no? You would want to touch it?

> > " - they look and sound bored, yes, angry too, but not scared
>
> As I said - upset and angry.

So you agree with me.

> > > > They didn't tried to paralyze it. Even if they could't do it, why not
> > > > removing it with hands by using force?
> > >
> > > Since it would choke Kane.
> >
> > No, they would not allow it to do it by using force.
>
> What amount of force?

They didn't have the opportunity to watch the other alien movies
before to know its strength ;) It doesn't looks so strong.

> > That's obvious, but what did they expect would be its reaction? In
> > pain it could surely choke Kane to death, yet there was even no pain
> > reaction, another unrealistic thing.
>
> Why? Why are you assuming the facehugger felt pain?

OK, but I think it looked rather funny when there was no reaction at
all, it was like a dead meat. Humor accepted.

> > When my father
> > saw the little alien and in the next moment the huge alien, he started
> > laughting. They should have done this part better.
>
> Of course they shouldn't. If your father can't deal with made up creatures, he
> should only watch Discovery.

Wrong assumptions! It was still fun to watch.

P.S. I started this thread only because I have heard some saying that
acting and script in Alien is realistic and I can't agree.
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> P.S. I started this thread only because I have heard some saying that
> acting and script in Alien is realistic and I can't agree.

Its all a matter of opinion. You have a right to yours, I have a right to
mine, and others have their right too.
Its still fun to debate and agree to disagree on things :)
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> > P.S. I started this thread only because I have heard some saying that
> > acting and script in Alien is realistic and I can't agree.
>
> Its all a matter of opinion. You have a right to yours, I have a right to
> mine, and others have their right too.


The unfortunate thing being... His opinion is **SO** wrong !!!

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In article <5f9a8224.0404170430.72f85101 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
gustavs_a DeleteThis @yahoo.com (Gustavs Avotins) wrote:

> > > The top of it was visible.
> >
> > No, it wasn't.
>
> You could see there some "meat" moving.

Not the facehugger.

> > > Why would you want to touch it? It would be
> > > realistic if he stepped back a few meters away and the facehugger
> > > would still catch him.
> >
> > No.
>
> What no? You would want to touch it?

"no" to "it would be realistic".

> > > " - they look and sound bored, yes, angry too, but not scared
> >
> > As I said - upset and angry.
>
> So you agree with me.

No, you said they were bored - upset and angry isn't equal to bored.

> > > > > They didn't tried to paralyze it. Even if they could't do it, why not
> > > > > removing it with hands by using force?
> > > >
> > > > Since it would choke Kane.
> > >
> > > No, they would not allow it to do it by using force.
> >
> > What amount of force?
>
> They didn't have the opportunity to watch the other alien movies
> before to know its strength ;) It doesn't looks so strong.

It doesn't look like it bleeds acid either - what's your point?

> > > That's obvious, but what did they expect would be its reaction? In
> > > pain it could surely choke Kane to death, yet there was even no pain
> > > reaction, another unrealistic thing.
> >
> > Why? Why are you assuming the facehugger felt pain?
>
> OK, but I think it looked rather funny when there was no reaction at
> all, it was like a dead meat. Humor accepted.

How do you know there was no reaction at all?

> > > When my father
> > > saw the little alien and in the next moment the huge alien, he started
> > > laughting. They should have done this part better.
> >
> > Of course they shouldn't. If your father can't deal with made up creatures,
> > he should only watch Discovery.
>
> Wrong assumptions! It was still fun to watch.
>
> P.S. I started this thread only because I have heard some saying that
> acting and script in Alien is realistic and I can't agree.

It's your right, although I wish you had thought of some good reasons for your
disagreements.

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> > > P.S. I started this thread only because I have heard some saying that
> > > acting and script in Alien is realistic and I can't agree.
> >
> > Its all a matter of opinion. You have a right to yours, I have a right
to
> > mine, and others have their right too.
>
>
> The unfortunate thing being... His opinion is **SO** wrong !!!
>
> ;' )))))
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Didnt have you down as a bigot, Mr. Cov!!!! :P
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