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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:20 am
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>I still think that hurting its leg wouldn't be a real option.
>How to paralyze it? By injecting a strong anesthetics that
>causes sleep, they should have it for unexcpected medical operations.
>I'm not saying that it would work.
That notion is fundamentally flawed. There is no wonder drug that
will act as an anaesthetic for all physiologies. Whilst they might
have anaesthetic drugs on board that would work on humans, they're not
going to have one that would definitely work on Aliens.
And as a tactic it also presupposes a situation that was not actually
the case (see below). What you're suggesting would almost certainly
kill Kane, which would be apparent to Ash and Dallas. Not to mention
most people watching the film.
>>Three men could not lift it off without killing the subject.
>It didn't looked that strong by measuring the size of its "muscles".
I don't think you watched the movie closely enough. It wasn't solely
the FH's legs that were attaching it to Kane's face. I can show you a
number of adhesive agents that you wouldn't have much chance of
defeating with only a pair of forceps and some leverage (or, indeed, a
jemmy and a *lot* of leverage).
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:35 am
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>When arriving at the ship they all sound rather bored.
As someone else said, Dallas was - initially, anyway - downplaying the
situation as he didn't want to be stuck in the airlock for 24 (?)
hours in such close proximity to the alien.
Lambert was not at any point "bored" sounding.
And Ripley sounded wary - both of the situation and the line that
Dallas seemed to be feeding her.
I think the acting was inline with the situation. Dallas and Lambert
wanted to be away from the close proximity of the alien as soon as
possible, and Ripley hadn't seen what had gone on, so was more
interested in sticking to regulations.
Even after that, Kane just had "some sort of thing attached to his
face". Unpleasant (!) for Kane, but not something to cause the rest
of the crew to run around wailing and gnashing their teeth. They also
had the other issue that they were - at that time - themselves
stranded on a non-operational spacecraft, out of contact with anyone
who might be able to hear a distress call. Ash set to, working out
how to sort Kane out; the others set to trying to fix Nostromo.
>removing it with hands by using force? 3 man could accurately remove
>it: 1 would do the tail, other 2 the legs. What the hell did they
>expect by hurting its leg?
By using your own - flawed - logic, if they cut the legs (and tail)
off, they'd simply be able to remove the FH. They'd already
experimented with simply lifting it off, and that wasn't working.
The flaw here being that the legs and tail weren't the chief means of
attachment.
Anyway, I think it's also reasonable to think that if they started to
injure the thing it might think twice about continuing to stay
attached to Kane (and itself "defenseless"), in favour of giving up
and running away.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:30 pm
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"Tracy" <sistermoonconstant.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:31 pm
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"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think you watched the movie closely enough. It wasn't solely
> the FH's legs that were attaching it to Kane's face. I can show you a
> number of adhesive agents that you wouldn't have much chance of
> defeating with only a pair of forceps and some leverage (or, indeed, a
> jemmy and a *lot* of leverage).
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> Adam
And of course there was the extrusion of a tube down his throat too - just
to add to the complicated situation!
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:44 pm
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In article <5f9a8224.0404151135.130ca8ea.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>,
gustavs_a.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Gustavs Avotins) wrote:
> 1) when the alien egg opens, the man is getting too close and even
> tries to touch it with hand. In the reality I think he would jump back
> at least a few meters away and watch it from there.
> 2) after the facehugger atacks, other people are too calm, I see no
> panic or fear in them.
> 3) in reality I think they would try to paralyse the facehugger and
> then remove it with hands by using force. Trying to remove its leg
> surgically IMO is stupid, it could do a lot of harm to the host in
> pain.
> 4) how could the alien grow so big in such short time? (wasn't it just
> a few hours?) There was no organic food, so it must have ate the ship
> carcass? :)
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> I am sure there are other things too.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:44 pm
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In article <4082d700$0$602$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>,
"Tracy" <sistermoonconstant.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Adam Cameron" <adam_junk.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I don't think you watched the movie closely enough. It wasn't solely
> > the FH's legs that were attaching it to Kane's face. I can show you a
> > number of adhesive agents that you wouldn't have much chance of
> > defeating with only a pair of forceps and some leverage (or, indeed, a
> > jemmy and a *lot* of leverage).
> >
> > Adam
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> And of course there was the extrusion of a tube down his throat too - just
> to add to the complicated situation!
And, unknown to many - the alien had actually used crazy-glue to have an even
firmer grip on its host.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:44 pm
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"Sandman" <mr.DeleteThis@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <4082d700$0$602$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>,
> "Tracy" <sistermoonconstant.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > "Adam Cameron" <adam_junk.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > I don't think you watched the movie closely enough. It wasn't solely
> > > the FH's legs that were attaching it to Kane's face. I can show you a
> > > number of adhesive agents that you wouldn't have much chance of
> > > defeating with only a pair of forceps and some leverage (or, indeed, a
> > > jemmy and a *lot* of leverage).
> > >
> > > Adam
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> > And of course there was the extrusion of a tube down his throat too -
just
> > to add to the complicated situation!
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> And, unknown to many - the alien had actually used crazy-glue to have an
even
> firmer grip on its host.
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I heard it was plain ol' chewing gum (try getting *that* off anything!!).
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:25 am
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:25 am
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"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >I heard it was plain ol' chewing gum (try getting *that* off anything!!).
> >And if anyone suggests freezing it, I will scream - IT DONT WORK, MAN!!!
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> Works for me. Surprisingly well, too, I thought.
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> Adam
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You mean *YOU* managed to get the facehugger off by freezing the gum? wow!
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:16 pm
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Gustavs, you are correct about Kane unrealisticaly looking in the egg as
the egg is moving. Here are my three unrealistic beefs:
1)Why does CAPTAIN Dallas go on the land expedition? He's the captain
he's too valuable.
Send one of the other crewmember instead.
2)Why are there no close circuit tv cameras monitoring the whole ship?
Ash would have a hard time pulling his stunts if there were.
3) Why do they not have radar-sensor-type machines that could monitor
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:25 pm
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"B. Hawkom" <RIOBRAZILSA DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Gustavs, you are correct about Kane unrealisticaly looking in the egg as
> the egg is moving. Here are my three unrealistic beefs:
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> 1)Why does CAPTAIN Dallas go on the land expedition? He's the captain
> he's too valuable.
> Send one of the other crewmember instead.
>
The Nostromo isn't a military vessel, at the time of venturing outside,
neither Dallas or anybody else (except for Ash) know there is a serious
threat. The crew don't know they're in a horror movie!
> 2)Why are there no close circuit tv cameras monitoring the whole ship?
> Ash would have a hard time pulling his stunts if there were.
The Nostromo is a commercial freight vessel, not designed to be in a horror
movie. CCTV technology exists now - how many current ships (the marine kind,
our closest equivalent) have CCTV surveillance of the entire vessel, just in
case a sci-fi monster sneaks on board? Anyway, even if such thing existed,
would it be beyond the wit of Ash to cause a malfunction? We already know
that the Nostromo is a tad ricketty.
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> 3) Why do they not have radar-sensor-type machines that could monitor
> all life on the ship and show where the alien is?
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See above. Why would a designer of a commercial freight vessel design in
such facilities? If there is a weakness along these lines in the movie, to
me it's that the crew are able to knock together such a device at short
notice. What kind of sensor, by the way?
I suppose the key here is that the Nostromo was 'ordinary' - big,
space-going, but ordinary. One of the major appeals of Alien is that there
are regular people doing a mundane job, who happen upon an exraordinary
situation ('truckers in space', as it's been described). It's a much more
plausible future than most sci-fi movies had previously postulated. This
also means, however, no ray guns, no blanket security, no monster detectors.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:56 pm
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B. Hawkom wrote:
> Gustavs, you are correct about Kane unrealisticaly looking in the egg
> as the egg is moving. Here are my three unrealistic beefs:
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> 1)Why does CAPTAIN Dallas go on the land expedition? He's the captain
> he's too valuable.
> Send one of the other crewmember instead.
Its a small ship with a small crew and most of it is working on repairs. The
away team is nearly 50 percent of the total crew with the engineering staff
working full out and unable to go it is quite reasonable the captain heads
the field team.
> 2)Why are there no close circuit tv cameras monitoring the whole ship?
> Ash would have a hard time pulling his stunts if there were.
There are but they are disabled during landing.
> 3) Why do they not have radar-sensor-type machines that could monitor
> all life on the ship and show where the alien is?
Why would this be needed on an old space tug.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:57 pm
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Dave and PLS. First why didn't Dallas send Ripley or Ash on the
expedition? No reason for him to go. He doesn't have to be in charge of
a large crew to be the most logical choice to stay aboard.
Second, closed circuit tv cameras on the ship could deter the crew from
stealing, beating up crewmembers, raping other crew members, and
trespassing in restricted or private areas of the ship and they could
also be useful to find stowaways of the human kind and so on. Heck, if
the convenience stores can have the whole places camera monitered why
not a big spaceship like this too.
Thirdly, machines that detect could animal respiration and heart beats
and so on would be useful in detecting say human stowaways or rodents or
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:34 pm
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In article <4559-4086AC7B-56 RemoveThis @storefull-3115.bay.webtv.net>,
RIOBRAZILSA RemoveThis @webtv.net (B. Hawkom) wrote:
> Gustavs, you are correct about Kane unrealisticaly looking in the egg as
> the egg is moving. Here are my three unrealistic beefs:
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> 1)Why does CAPTAIN Dallas go on the land expedition? He's the captain
> he's too valuable.
> Send one of the other crewmember instead.
Why is he too valuable to respond to a SOS?
> 2)Why are there no close circuit tv cameras monitoring the whole ship?
> Ash would have a hard time pulling his stunts if there were.
It's a towing vehicle.
> 3) Why do they not have radar-sensor-type machines that could monitor
> all life on the ship and show where the alien is?
It's a towing vehicle.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:37 pm
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"B. Hawkom" <RIOBRAZILSA.RemoveThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Gustavs, you are correct about Kane unrealisticaly looking in the egg as
> the egg is moving. Here are my three unrealistic beefs:
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> 1)Why does CAPTAIN Dallas go on the land expedition? He's the captain
> he's too valuable.
> Send one of the other crewmember instead.
It's a *tugboat*.
They are all working stiffs
> 2)Why are there no close circuit tv cameras monitoring the whole ship?
> Ash would have a hard time pulling his stunts if there were.
There ARE but they are not working...
"We're blind on B and C decks...."
> 3) Why do they not have radar-sensor-type machines that could monitor
> all life on the ship and show where the alien is?
See 1)
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