Alien is far from realistic

B. Hawkom wrote:
> Dave and PLS. First why didn't Dallas send Ripley or Ash on the
> expedition? No reason for him to go. He doesn't have to be in charge
> of a large crew to be the most logical choice to stay aboard.

No reason for him to stay either. The crew are not military they are more
like a group of experts or a workteam, Dallas is only nominally captain.
Ripley is second in command and should stay if he goes and can keep an eye
on the engineers as she has engineering knowledge. Parker and Brett are
working and Ash is ostensibly decrypting the transmission. Three is an
optimal size for a team, if one gets hurt there are two to carry or one to
stay with and one to go for help. Kane was keen to go and had expertise,
Lambert has nothing to do and is the navigator and so an ideal choice. I
think the team picked was best that could be made. They set down to find the
transmission source and it makes good sense for the Dallas to go see for
himself.

> Second, closed circuit tv cameras on the ship could deter the crew
> from stealing, beating up crewmembers, raping other crew members, and
> trespassing in restricted or private areas of the ship and they could
> also be useful to find stowaways of the human kind and so on. Heck, if
> the convenience stores can have the whole places camera monitered why
> not a big spaceship like this too.

They do have cameras but they are not working.

> Thirdly, machines that detect could animal respiration and heart beats
> and so on would be useful in detecting say human stowaways or rodents
> or whatever.

The atmosphere is pumped out while the crew are in hibernation. If a
stowaway can hold his breathe that long just to get to some ore source then
he is likely welcome along.

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And thusly dids't RIOBRAZILSA.RemoveThis@webtv.net (B. Hawkom) speak, to which I
responded as so...

>Dave and PLS. First why didn't Dallas send Ripley or Ash on the
>expedition? No reason for him to go. He doesn't have to be in charge of
>a large crew to be the most logical choice to stay aboard.

Well, Ripley had to fly the ship. Not much point having a captain if
the ship can't go anywhere. (Yeah, I know there was undoubtedly
someone else who could pilot the ship, if not as well)

Really though, the captain would actually most likely be the most
expendable person on board the ship. A properly trained team doesn't
need to be supervised. The captain is just for dealing with
situations that are out of the ordinary, situations that aren't
covered by S.O.P.
Take where I work. There's about 7 of us, and apart from bringing in
the work sheet, drenching the horses and giving them needles, we don't
need our boss to show up at work. And the drenching and the needles
could be done by one of us if shown exactly how. Then all we'd need
is a daily list of things that had to be done. In a job where the job
stayed the same everyday, the boss could stay at home watching their
money come in.

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In article <18417-4086FA7E-101.TakeThisOut@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net>,
RIOBRAZILSA.TakeThisOut@webtv.net (B. Hawkom) wrote:

> Excuse me, Sandy of the flea brain. But what in hell was to stop the
> crew from doing wrong things to each other once they awoke from those
> suspened animation devices? That's what they needed close circuit
> cameras for.

No.

> And yes. I do think they could use detctors to show things
> like heartbeats on board for reason just like (or even remotely like)
> this unwanted alien.

No.

> Also, who gives a rat's ass who wanted to go on the
> land expedition? As captain Dallas coulda ordered someone else to go.

No.

Three incorrect statements in one paragraph - I salute you.

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"B. Hawkom" <RIOBRAZILSA RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Excuse me, Sandy of the flea brain.

Kinda liked your contribution 'til you dissed the Sandman!

Shame on you.....
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"Dave Kenworthy" <dave.kenworthy DeleteThis @bt0penworld.com> wrote in message
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> "B. Hawkom" <RIOBRAZILSA DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I suppose the key here is that the Nostromo was 'ordinary' - big,
> space-going, but ordinary. One of the major appeals of Alien is that there
> are regular people doing a mundane job, who happen upon an exraordinary
> situation ('truckers in space', as it's been described). It's a much more
> plausible future than most sci-fi movies had previously postulated. This
> also means, however, no ray guns, no blanket security, no monster
detectors.
>

Hear! Hear! That's what is so wonderful about Alien, the fact that the
guys/gals are ordinary - almost documentary style in their daily
activities - and reactions are those of ordinary guys in a real stressful
situation - no kick ass muvvers trained for anything - just guys scared out
of their wits, freaking when death is imminent.
Love it!
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In article <4087cefe$0$231$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>,
"Tracy" <sistermoonconstant DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> "B. Hawkom" <RIOBRAZILSA DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:18417-4086FA7E-101@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
> > Excuse me, Sandy of the flea brain.
>
> Kinda liked your contribution 'til you dissed the Sandman!
>
> Shame on you.....

:)

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"Tracy" <sistermoonconstant.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "B. Hawkom" <RIOBRAZILSA.RemoveThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:18417-4086FA7E-101@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
> > Excuse me, Sandy of the flea brain.
>
> Kinda liked your contribution 'til you dissed the Sandman!
>
> Shame on you.....



I kinda liked it !!!






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>> > Excuse me, Sandy of the flea brain.
>>
>> Kinda liked your contribution 'til you dissed the Sandman!
>>
>> Shame on you.....
>
>I kinda liked it !!!

Yeah. Much as it pains me to agree with Covenant, he might have a
point...

Adam
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>> 1)Why does CAPTAIN Dallas go on the land expedition? He's the captain
>> he's too valuable.
>> Send one of the other crewmember instead.
>
>Why is he too valuable to respond to a SOS?

There's also evidence that it's Dallas' leading: from the front. When
things got dodgy later on, he volunteered himself to go into the ducts
rather than forcing one of his crew to do it.

Adam
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For one thing: is there no such word as sin your vocabulary. You don't
seem to realize how when one no longer needs to care (like folks going
billions of miles into outer space) one frequently doesn't. Secondly,
even if the point can be successfully made that the crew is totally
trustworthy (hah!) what about stowaways on board being photographed by
those cameras. Or even rodents as stowaways (word has it that's what
Ripley's cat was for). You're all being so idiotically understanding of
a spaceship, capable of wondrous things like suspended animation
chambers, having less security than a convenience store. And why not
have cameras and sound and heat detection machines that can detect pesty
small little aliens just like the one they encounter (he starts off
small). Was the crew anticipating encountering no alien life ever? And
why is everyone so dedicated to Capt. Dallas going on the planet
expedition? Any reason Science officer Ash couldn't have gone in his
stead? Or couldn't Kane and Lambert have gone alone? They didn't need a
third party member at all. Someone says the ship's a piece of junk. It's
not too damn junky to make it there from earth is it? The suspended
animation chambers are trustworthy too. So is the mini-escape ship
(though there's alien convenience for the alien there too as it's
idiotically too small to even hold as many four crew members). This
alien really lucked out getting a ship where everything to the alien's
convenience was wrong with the vessel. I think realistically Kane could
shoulda been thrown off the ship once they realized the creature had
super-powerful acid for blood. Kane wasn't the captain. And this
movie's up to it's ears in gratutious deaths!
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"B. Hawkom" <RIOBRAZILSA RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> For one thing: is there no such word as sin your vocabulary. <snip>

Speak for yaself! The only sin I can perceive is the fact that AR(se)
was diabolically pathetic as a continuation of the Alien series and that
Alien 5 may not be produced.

You're all being so idiotically understanding of
> a spaceship, <snip>

And you're being so idiotically *SERIOUS* about it all - lighten up, man!!
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:13:05 -0400, B. Hawkom wrote:

> For one thing: is there no such word as sin your vocabulary.

You don't seem to realise that we are trying to explain why things happen
in the movie, which is what, I believe, you did ask for. If you're not
willing to accept possibility answers, why ask in the first place if not
to troll?

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Actually Vigil I first just made a statement that was foolishly
contradicted by others on here.Look Alien is just a movie and a space
film at that so sure it's totally impossible. And I am thinking---for
real.
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