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d rosen

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Since: Jan 14, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:11 pm
Post subject: sanken cos-11 damage and wiring
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not such a good day,

the inexperience assistant (production provided) pulled the wrong end
of a (my) cos-11 from the rubber mount too hard and the moulded rubber
'strain' relief has come away from the metal capsule barrel revealing
the brass coloured 2-3mm at end.
the mic still works-i got to the end of the shoot atleast, but i'm not
sure it will take much to pull the wire from the capsule now and
therefore render it useless. if that happens it will definately be
unrepairable but as it is can i do anything to make this capsule as new
(it's only 3 months old)?

i'm worried if i try gluing it back on i will make a mess, that could
be noisy if it snags fabric and wont do much to keep wire from pulling
out anyway.

is it fair enough for me to ask production for the replacement value of
mic?
there is production insurance but the cost will be less than the excess
stipulated by the policy i would guess. Yesterday i had a perfectly
working, well looked after mic, that i was confident in, today i have a
damaged, possibly repairable but probably unreliable mic to charge my
other clients or get this 1 to pay for a new 1 or pay for a new 1
myself.

the next part of this posting regards rewiring another cos-11,
currently with a sony hirose fitting on the end. i have spare
switchcraft TA5Fs but remember reading something on this group about an
inline resistor when using these capsules with lectro 411s. any advice?

thanks in advance,

dan.

ps any other ears out there thinks a standard cos-11 overloads very
quickly-i find myself being shy with the gain on the 411s tx cos i
don't like the sound of a full square. are the b6s or dpas more
forgiving?

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ggriswold

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:39 pm
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Sorry to hear about your COS-11-- that is a real shame. You can always
try an epoxy repair and "re-stuff" the capsule-- I don't think you have
much to lose. Regardless, you have a brand new mic that is now
compromised. You can always ask for replacement from production but, I
will leave that issue for real sound mixers who know of these things.

My understanding is that Sanken has a replacement program that will get
you into a brand new capsule and cord for a (broken) trade-in. Location
Sound is who I discussed this with, but Trew Audio should be your first
call. I do remember that the Sankens can NOT be rewired to the capsule.

Don't feel so badly; I pulled one of my Sanken COS-11's out of that
(sticky)crazy rubber thing and yanked the windscreen clean off----
CRAP! With some patience and magnifiers I re-attached it with a "mist"
of epoxy quick-set.

I have since made a cut in the rubber mount so I can remove the COS-11
through the front instead of from the ends.

As far as rewiring a TA5F connector-- send it off unless you are a
heart surgeon-- cut your losses, let Trew do it and Fedex it back in a
day-- you won't regret it for a second.

The effort is worth every penny since the COS is a wonderful Lav that I
would never abandon. I have never heard anything better from location
to location. And in a pinch you can tell your clients this is the mic
that Peter Jennings brings with him to every shoot (Urban Myth?--
Sounds good and that is what I have been told).

George
www.videonow.info

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d rosen

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:43 pm
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i've just dismantled the switchcraft end of the offending cos-11
(supplied by a reputable dealer along with the um400) and found nothing
but wires soldered to pins, no other electronic components. i was
expecting to find a 3.3k resistor as mentioned by larry fisher in his
recent posting about wiring a cos-11, (see below). would this be why
the mic peaks/distorts as soon as the wearer raises their voice? a user
of another brand of uhf system mentioned having this experience of the
cos-11, so i accept that it may just be my choice of mic. but either
way, asides from whether i can glue the capsule end of my cos-11 back
together, i'm now unsure how or what i should do if i want use my other
cos-11 capsules with the um400 transmitter.

dan.

[ I'm going to
make up a "how to" sheet on wiring one of these to an SM or UM
transmitter since you also need to get a 3.3k resistor, insulation
tubing and a jumper wire into the TA5F for a setup compatible with
both a UM and a SM transmitter. The SM by itself doesn't need the
resistor or the tubing if you can live with it working only with the
SM. ]
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:58 pm
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george,

thanks for that.
i'm the other side of the atlantic but may just do that fedex thing for
the wiring of the plugs if not the lectro dealers here. it will be
interesting to find out if the sanken dealers in the uk do the same
trade-in thing.
i'm very careful with the cos-11 s as i also pulled a wind screen out 1
time, but was fortunate to be able to push it straight back in.
generally when i remove the cap from the rubber i squeeze the edges of
the rubber and push the cap from the windscreen end until there is
enough of the barrel to hold securely. i think what stumped my
assistant is that the cap had the large wind/pop gag placed on the cap
along with some topstick around the whole ensemble to secure it in the
clothing. somethings you just can't rush. ho hum.

dan
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mikewest

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:08 pm
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If your equipment was covered by the production and you have
contractual
proof of that, then you should make a claim on that insurance.

If the production have confirmed that the excess is greater than the
cost
of the microphone then they should simply pay for the replacement.

A new COS11 is the only way. Will tour next production expect you to
turn
up with damaged microphones, and is your reputation worth it?

Do it!

mike
www.mikewestgatesound.co.nz
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mikewest

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:08 pm
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If your equipment was covered by the production and you have
contractual
proof of that, then you should make a claim on that insurance.

If the production have confirmed that the excess is greater than the
cost
of the microphone then they should simply pay for the replacement.

A new COS11 is the only way. Will tour next production expect you to
turn
up with damaged microphones, and is your reputation worth it?

Do it!

mike
www.mikewestgatesound.co.nz
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Jason Porter

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Since: Jul 22, 2004
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:05 pm
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I find the cos-11's very hot with Lectro Tx's. Ususally 2.5 to 3.5 "ticks"
on the transmitter gain.

-Jason

"d rosen" <danielrosen.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1117757516.246666.203350@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> not such a good day,
>
> ps any other ears out there thinks a standard cos-11 overloads very
> quickly-i find myself being shy with the gain on the 411s tx cos i
> don't like the sound of a full square. are the b6s or dpas more
> forgiving?
>
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John Blankenship, CAS

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:24 pm
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ggriswold wrote:
> ====SNIP====
> My understanding is that Sanken has a replacement program that will get
> you into a brand new capsule and cord for a (broken) trade-in.

The program here in the states is through the importer, Plus24. I just
got one back that had developed an intermittent connection where the
cord meets the capsule. They charge a shade under $200 to
repair/replace it.

John Blankenship, C.A.S.
Indianapolis
(email: my initials at mw daht net)


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