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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:48 pm
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"Crow T Robot" <lordsoth.TakeThisOut@HsPaMtwmi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Didn't Ripley say she was going to be home for her, daughters, birthday???
> Guess I need to rewatch it again. I think shes says this to Burke right
> after he tells her what happened to her daughter.


She does... In the extended verison.

Yet another consistency screw up. ;' )

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:35 pm
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In the technical manual the hyperdrive is refered to a tachyon shunt, where
time rate in the vehicle increases the faster you travel beyond light speed
which I believe is the theoritical behaviour of tachyons - I don't think
anyone has demonstrated their existence as yet. If this is the case
practical hyper velocities must be balanced by limits in human physiology in
which suspended animation may try to improve or nullify.

Now how canon is this, I don't know, since none of the movies, particularly
with the directors cuts, are not consistent in many areas.

Also we have very little idea as to the distances travelled or speeds.

As other people have pointed out

DALLAS: "Gimme the short version. How far to earth?"

LAMBERT: "Ten Months"

and that there only halfway there......

(Alien)

The question is, are they talking real time or subjective as they are not
the same thing. In relation to the tachyon shunt, the actual travel time
might only be days or weeks but the subjective travel time for the crew be
months and years, a figure the crew might use instead in casual everyday
conversation, surely growing older faster than friends and family would be a
concern for any human being in that situation and the practise in refering
the distances travelled by subjective time might be more meaningfull.


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"Algomeysa2" <Algomeysa2NOSPAM RemoveThis @mindspring.comNOPESPAM> wrote in message
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> Space travel time and hypersleep
>
> Something I was wondering about recently was how long these interstellar
> voyages last in ALIEN.
>
> There's enough circumstancial evidence to suggest they don't last years,
> so
> it seems they take weeks or months, and they must be travelling faster
> than
> light.
>
> If it's just weeks, putting the crew into hypersleep doesn't really seem
> necessary.
>
> In ALIENS, I think it was said (and I'm sure someone can quote me the
> exact
> line), that when the ship didn't report back in 10 days they'd send out a
> rescue mission, but that would take an additional 3 weeks....or
> thereabouts.... so that it was effectively 4 weeks before they could
> expect
> rescue.
>
> It's just something that doesn't quite mesh. For ships this large,
> which
> apparently manage to have a heated atmosphere fairly soon after waking the
> crew up, the savings in food, etc. doesn't really seem to make sense for
> voyages that are just a few weeks long. If they were months or years
> long,
> it might make more sense.
>
> But voyages can't take years, because Ripley wasn't expecting to never see
> her daughter again, and she's surprised that the new massive space station
> has been built; people who went on voyages that lasted years would be
> expecting bigger changes.
>
> My best guess is, in ALIEN it was intended that voyages take months, but
> by
> the time of ALIENS that had become somewhat fuzzy and Cameron didn't
> really
> think that aspect through. Of course, the other possibility is that the
> Marine garrison was relatively close by in interstellar terms, so in their
> case the journey was just a few weeks (though again, that begs the
> question
> why hypersleep was necessary).
>
>

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:51 pm
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"Sandman" <mr.TakeThisOut@sandman.net> wrote

>> Conclusion: transit time from Earth to Acheron takes three weeks.
>
> But wasn't that dialoge before they found out they were only half-way
> home?

No, it was in the second movie, and it does rather suggest that the Marines
took 3 weeks to get there.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:51 pm
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:51:58 -0000, "John Redman"
<johnphilipredman DeleteThis @hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:

>"Sandman" <mr DeleteThis @sandman.net> wrote
>
>>> Conclusion: transit time from Earth to Acheron takes three weeks.
>>
>> But wasn't that dialoge before they found out they were only half-way
>> home?
>
>No, it was in the second movie, and it does rather suggest that the Marines
>took 3 weeks to get there.

Yeah, I should have clarified that. :-)

Keith
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:37 am
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"Keith Hazelwood" <unknown.TakeThisOut@unknown.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:51:58 -0000, "John Redman"
> <johnphilipredman.TakeThisOut@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:
>
>>"Sandman" <mr.TakeThisOut@sandman.net> wrote
>>
>>>> Conclusion: transit time from Earth to Acheron takes three weeks.
>>>
>>> But wasn't that dialoge before they found out they were only half-way
>>> home?
>>
>>No, it was in the second movie, and it does rather suggest that the
>>Marines
>>took 3 weeks to get there.
>
> Yeah, I should have clarified that. :-)

It's not a major plot point within A2, but it does leave one wondering what
happened technologically between A1 and A2 that the transit time took 10
months in the first movie versus 3 weeks in the second...
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:37 am
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:37:50 -0000, "John Redman"
<johnphilipredman DeleteThis @hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:

>It's not a major plot point within A2, but it does leave one wondering what
>happened technologically between A1 and A2 that the transit time took 10
>months in the first movie versus 3 weeks in the second...

57 years of technological progress and 20 million tons of mineral ore.
;-)

Keith
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:39 am
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In article <crscfg$q36$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"John Redman" <johnphilipredman.RemoveThis@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:

> >> Conclusion: transit time from Earth to Acheron takes three weeks.
> >
> > But wasn't that dialoge before they found out they were only half-way
> > home?
>
> No, it was in the second movie, and it does rather suggest that the Marines
> took 3 weeks to get there.

Yeah, sorry about that. I somehow got caught up in the notion that you were
taling about the first movie.

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:41 am
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In article <crsilv$30e$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, "John Redman"
<johnphilipredman.RemoveThis@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:

>>>>> Conclusion: transit time from Earth to Acheron takes three weeks.
>>>>
>>>> But wasn't that dialoge before they found out they were only
>>>> half-way home?
>>>
>>> No, it was in the second movie, and it does rather suggest that the
>>> Marines took 3 weeks to get there.
>>
>> Yeah, I should have clarified that. :-)
>
> It's not a major plot point within A2, but it does leave one wondering
> what happened technologically between A1 and A2 that the transit time
> took 10 months in the first movie versus 3 weeks in the second...

Maybe it had something to do with the Nostromo being a truck that drags a
mining platform behind it and this can't accelerate to Warp 1000? Or rather it
would take much longer to achieve that speed since the ship is so huge.

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:02 pm
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"Sandman" <mr.DeleteThis@sandman.net> wrote

> Maybe it had something to do with the Nostromo being a truck that drags a
> mining platform behind it and this can't accelerate to Warp 1000? Or
> rather it
> would take much longer to achieve that speed since the ship is so huge.

No doubt, but 3 weeks away seems a bit too close...almost on the doorstep
really...
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:02 pm
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:02:37 -0000, "John Redman"
<johnphilipredman.RemoveThis@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:

>No doubt, but 3 weeks away seems a bit too close...almost on the doorstep
>really...

Maybe that's why they colonized it.

Keith
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:02 pm
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"Keith Hazelwood" <unknown.RemoveThis@unknown.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:02:37 -0000, "John Redman"
> <johnphilipredman.RemoveThis@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:
>
>>No doubt, but 3 weeks away seems a bit too close...almost on the doorstep
>>really...
>
> Maybe that's why they colonized it.

I wrote a nerdy post here about this subject about 5 years ago. Must google
it up. Basically I was trying to fathom the economics of terraforming. As I
see it, the atmosphere processor proves the planet was to be inhabited,
because you don't need people or air on a planet you're just going to mine.
That in turn suggested there would be more than one processor - at least one
in each hemisphere - and that the Company would return to LV426 quite
quickly. Economically, it would be more sensible to finish off LV426 than
start anew elsewhere.

And all other things being equal you'd colonise the nearer habitable planets
first.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:02 pm
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:02:49 -0000, "John Redman"
<johnphilipredman.RemoveThis@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:

>> Maybe that's why they colonized it.
>
>I wrote a nerdy post here about this subject about 5 years ago. Must google
>it up. Basically I was trying to fathom the economics of terraforming. As I
>see it, the atmosphere processor proves the planet was to be inhabited,
>because you don't need people or air on a planet you're just going to mine.
>That in turn suggested there would be more than one processor - at least one
>in each hemisphere - and that the Company would return to LV426 quite
>quickly. Economically, it would be more sensible to finish off LV426 than
>start anew elsewhere.
>
>And all other things being equal you'd colonise the nearer habitable planets
>first.

LV-426 apparently had several qualities that made it suitable for
terraforming and colonization: gravity, water, and mineral resources.

Keith
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